FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point we should be talking about Committees, no?

I think these rankings are compiled by 4 regional committees, who then make their recommendation after their final and private ballot to the NCAA DIII Playoff Selection Committee.  The NCAA committee can then do with those recommendations what they see fit.

At least that's the way it was in 2006 and 2007.  I know Steve Johnson was on the West Region Committee both those years when.

All that to say, the West Region Rankings have nothing to do at this point with the rankings of any other Regions.  Each of the four committees is working independently.  The national NCAA committee with then take those 4 independent regional rankings and decide who its 32 teams are.

Also, if 2006 and 2007 are any indication, the representation on those committees was mostly coaches with a SID or two in the mix (I think Central's AD chaired the West Region committee in 2006).  If that is still the case, then you basically have the coaches in the West Region ranking teams, which is very interesting.  They are still presumably following the NCAA criteria, but these are also the coaches who are scouting and coaching against the teams on the list.  I think that probably trumps things like OW% and OOW%.

Thoughts?

Pat or Keith, is that still the way it works?

[d-train]

The national NCAA committee with then take those 4 independent regional rankings and decide who its 32 teams are.

Only 9 teams (3 Pool B's and 6 Pool C's) are 'selected' - the other 23 are determined by the conferences.

[sjusection105]

At this point we need to find a Shelby Mustang and take a road trip 

Wasn't it a Roush?

You are correct Buckman, but a sweet ride by any name, that daddy's money paid for would do for the raod trip 

[DustySJU]

Joe B. Quarterback lives to play another weekend -

"It's about as good as I could have hoped for, considering the alternatives," Boyle said Wednesday. "I get the cast off next Wednesday and we'll go from there."
Boyle said the issue will be how quickly he is able to use his right hand to handle the football.

"Gripping the ball and throwing it are the big problems," Boyle said. "I will just depend on how quickly I heal."
While Boyle still hopes to play against Augsburg, he said he will also be doing everything he can to help get freshman John Ries ready to start in his place."

Thanks Frank!

[hazzben]

The national NCAA committee with then take those 4 independent regional rankings and decide who its 32 teams are.

Only 9 teams (3 Pool B's and 6 Pool C's) are 'selected' - the other 23 are determined by the conferences.

Thanks for stating the obvious.  I was assuming we were operating under the assumption of Pool A bids.  That said, the national committee will take the 4 independent regional rankings and decide who its 32 teams are, which means they will seed all 32 teams regionally and decide who gets the remaining 9 'at large' bids.  But thanks for being the semantics police.

[DuffMan]

I spotted an actual Roush the other day.  I chuckled to myself remember the lead up to that Monmouth game, the tailgate, and then the game itself

[d-train]

Thanks for stating the obvious.  I was assuming we were operating under the assumption of Pool A bids.  That said, the national committee will take the 4 independent regional rankings and decide who its 32 teams are, which means they will seed all 32 teams regionally and decide who gets the remaining 9 'at large' bids.  But thanks for being the semantics police.

Not trying to be a smart a$$.  I wasn't sure it was just a 'semantics' issue.  I remember several posters over the years who assumed the committee 'selected' all the teams - usually taking the top eight per region - without considering that some conferences with an autobid might not have a team in the regional rankings.

[Pat Coleman]

How does Linfield who has less in region wins than Central or SJU get seeded in front of either of them?  

Not really an issue -- winning percentage is really what has always been looked at. And more importantly, really, is boiling it down to "number of losses." There hasn't seemed to be a noticeable difference between 8-0, 7-0 and 6-0, or 8-1, 7-1 and 6-1 either.

[usee]

since this is a public document and this will be a hot topic in the coming weeks, the committee members are:

East Evaluation Region
Mike DeLong, Springfield College, co-chair
Joy Solomen, Rowan University, co-chair
John Burrell, Western Connecticut State University
Scott Greene, University of Rochester
Tom Kelley, Framingham State College
Shawn McIntry, Norwich University
Dave Murray, Alfred University
David Wood, Widener University

North Evaluation Region
Norm Eash, Illinois Wesleyan University, co-chair
Tim Gleason, Ohio Athletic Conference, co-chair
Jim Barnes, Augustana College (Illinois)
Jon Cooper, Benedictine University (Illinois)
Shannon Griffith, Manchester College
Eric Hehman, Greenville College
Dean Paul, Ohio Northern University
Craig Rundle, Albion College
Ted Stanley, Kenyon College

South Evaluation Region
Brad Bankston, Old Dominoin Athletic Conference, co-chair
Chris Smith, Grove City College, co-chair
Robert Black, University of the South
Bob Colbert, Saint Vincent College
Mike Dunlevy, Averett University
Pete Gallagher, Ursinus College
Norman Joseph, Mississippi College
Don Montgomery, Emory and Henry College
Todd Mooney, LaGrange College

West Evaluation Region
Chad Eisele, Knox College, co-chair
Mike Maynard, University of Redlands, co-chair
Andy Ankeny, University of La Verne
Glenn Caruso, University of St. Thomas (Minnesota)
Mike Durnin, Luther College
Chris Howard, Lawrence University
Duey Naatz, University of Wisconsin, Stout
Bob Owens, Chapman University
Joe Smith, Linfiled College

[sumander]

Did I ever tell you that I served on a committee in the LA Archdiocese with a woman who had 4 daughters who were Southern Cal(!) song girls?  Very nice woman but obviously not much of a mother.

There was only one school my boys knew they would have had no parental support to attend. 8)

Tmert, how do you really feel about USC?

A mother with 4 Song Girl daughters, she had to have been a real asset to your committee.

Is SoCal still feeling the blues about getting shut out of the World Series?

[Touchdown Tommy]

Ha very interesting USee.  It all makes sense now.  Glenn Caruso AND Joe Smith (Hey Joe it is about time your 'Cats have a decent season you were starting to look like Ron Zook!) on the committee.  I should add it is nice of the Linfield fans to stop by the MIAC board to vote in the Poll 7 times...

Bottomline is that TDT doesn't put much credence in any poll that has Whitewater 4th.  Lots can and will happen to move the "rankings" around in the coming 3 weeks.  In my mind it actually wouldn't be the worse thing in the world to make a trip to McMinnville.  But please not Pella or Whitewater again...

[hazzben]

Thanks for stating the obvious.  I was assuming we were operating under the assumption of Pool A bids.  That said, the national committee will take the 4 independent regional rankings and decide who its 32 teams are, which means they will seed all 32 teams regionally and decide who gets the remaining 9 'at large' bids.  But thanks for being the semantics police.

Not trying to be a smart a$$.  I wasn't sure it was just a 'semantics' issue.  I remember several posters over the years who assumed the committee 'selected' all the teams - usually taking the top eight per region - without considering that some conferences with an autobid might not have a team in the regional rankings.

Understandable.  And I'll admit, my word choice was pretty vague. 

[VOJ]

Ha very interesting USee.  It all makes sense now.  Glenn Caruso AND Joe Smith (Hey Joe it is about time your 'Cats have a decent season you were starting to look like Ron Zook!) on the committee.  I should add it is nice of the Linfield fans to stop by the MIAC board to vote in the Poll 7 times...

Bottomline is that TDT doesn't put much credence in any poll that has Whitewater 4th.  Lots can and will happen to move the "rankings" around in the coming 3 weeks.  In my mind it actually wouldn't be the worse thing in the world to make a trip to McMinnville.  But please not Pella or Whitewater again...

Yea look at that committee...5/4 split favoring the midwest teams for representation but a team from the West Coast on top...

And as for the schools respresented, outside of Linfield in 05 and Redlands in 07 none have made a playoff appearance of significance that I could find, but these are the people involved in slotting the best teams in West...

Truth be told if you assembled the Johnnie fans at the next tailgate and gave them ballots they might provide a better sampling of how the West should look

Another burr under the saddle is Linfield plays 9 games vs a full 10 game slate

[tmerton]

Tmert, how do you really feel about USC?

USC?  I like the Gamecocks.  Or do you mean Southern Cal?

Is SoCal still feeling the blues about getting shut out of the World Series?

I hope so.  The Dodgers, like the Tommies, suck.  I loved our time living in Pasadena, but I can't think of a sports team in SoCal that I like except maybe some of the D-III teams.

[VOJ]

Tmert, how do you really feel about USC?

USC?  I like the Gamecocks.  Or do you mean Southern Cal?

Is SoCal still feeling the blues about getting shut out of the World Series?

I hope so.  The Dodgers, like the Tommies, suck.  I loved our time living in Pasadena, but I can't think of a sports team in SoCal that I like except maybe some of the D-III teams.

Since he is a Notre Dame grad...I would suspect he does not like the Trojans, but I could be wrong...that rivalry is similiar to the Johnnies-Tommies lately, a rivalry in spirit but has not been back and forth lately.