FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[57Johnnie]

BDB,
Prayers & best wishes

[VOJ]

BDB...sorry to hear about your loss

[bennie]

BDB, I am so sorry to here about your family's loss. It is difficult to lose a loved one anytime of the year, but especially at this time of year. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

[tmerton]

I just erased a post worth[y] of TDT status. I think I am growing up.

Shame on you for the thought.

[hazzben]

BDB, thoughts and prayers are with you and the family.

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

[Knightstalker]

BDB, thoughts and prayers are with you and the family.

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

Out here on the East Coast a couple of papers are saying that the Big ten has made overtures to Rutgers and Syracuse trying to get one of them on board to get a bigger piece of the NY Metro market.  Not sure how valid it is.

[PBR...]

BDB, thoughts and prayers are with you and the family.

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

problem is nebraska is none to happy that the big 12 has made it basically a big texas conference. nebraska doesnt always  have its traditional game w/ okie anymore.....that being said me thinks mizzou would still be the more logical fit as do many others. they bring the whole kansas city/st louis market in to play. although if they take several teams wouldnt be surprised it neb/mizzou were 2 of them. everyone is tired of ND being on the fence. faculty/admins would like to join the big 10 since it would bring ND a ton more money but the boosters are stuck back in time and think everyone wants to go to ND. Rutgers doesnt bring much to the table as they have to pay to put their games on tv locally and penn st. crushes them head to head in tv ratings since nj/ny have the largest concentration of alumni outside of PA.

[Knightstalker]

BDB, thoughts and prayers are with you and the family.

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

problem is nebraska is none to happy that the big 12 has made it basically a big texas conference. nebraska doesnt always  have its traditional game w/ okie anymore.....that being said me thinks mizzou would still be the more logical fit as do many others. they bring the whole kansas city/st louis market in to play. although if they take several teams wouldnt be surprised it neb/mizzou were 2 of them. everyone is tired of ND being on the fence. faculty/admins would like to join the big 10 since it would bring ND a ton more money but the boosters are stuck back in time and think everyone wants to go to ND. Rutgers doesnt bring much to the table as they have to pay to put their games on tv locally and penn st. crushes them head to head in tv ratings since nj/ny have the largest concentration of alumni outside of PA.

But it would not be just about Football and Rutgers Mens Basketball is pretty good and I would think the Big Ten would love to have Rutgers womens basketball.

[PBR...]

BDB, thoughts and prayers are with you and the family.

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

problem is nebraska is none to happy that the big 12 has made it basically a big texas conference. nebraska doesnt always  have its traditional game w/ okie anymore.....that being said me thinks mizzou would still be the more logical fit as do many others. they bring the whole kansas city/st louis market in to play. although if they take several teams wouldnt be surprised it neb/mizzou were 2 of them. everyone is tired of ND being on the fence. faculty/admins would like to join the big 10 since it would bring ND a ton more money but the boosters are stuck back in time and think everyone wants to go to ND. Rutgers doesnt bring much to the table as they have to pay to put their games on tv locally and penn st. crushes them head to head in tv ratings since nj/ny have the largest concentration of alumni outside of PA.

But it would not be just about Football and Rutgers Mens Basketball is pretty good and I would think the Big Ten would love to have Rutgers womens basketball.

ru's mens hoops is ok not great. the womens team is good but the big10 looks well beyond just the sports. they look at academics and facilities as well. since these schools get just huge $$$ from the govt to perform research on many things. hence why their research/engineering schools are very good. they are also going to consider distance w/ travel budgets now being restricted. football drives the bus as its what allows fencing, field hockey, etc to exist at their schools.

[Knightstalker]

BDB, thoughts and prayers are with you and the family.

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

problem is nebraska is none to happy that the big 12 has made it basically a big texas conference. nebraska doesnt always  have its traditional game w/ okie anymore.....that being said me thinks mizzou would still be the more logical fit as do many others. they bring the whole kansas city/st louis market in to play. although if they take several teams wouldnt be surprised it neb/mizzou were 2 of them. everyone is tired of ND being on the fence. faculty/admins would like to join the big 10 since it would bring ND a ton more money but the boosters are stuck back in time and think everyone wants to go to ND. Rutgers doesnt bring much to the table as they have to pay to put their games on tv locally and penn st. crushes them head to head in tv ratings since nj/ny have the largest concentration of alumni outside of PA.

But it would not be just about Football and Rutgers Mens Basketball is pretty good and I would think the Big Ten would love to have Rutgers womens basketball.

ru's mens hoops is ok not great. the womens team is good but the big10 looks well beyond just the sports. they look at academics and facilities as well. since these schools get just huge $$$ from the govt to perform research on many things. hence why their research/engineering schools are very good. they are also going to consider distance w/ travel budgets now being restricted. football drives the bus as its what allows fencing, field hockey, etc to exist at their schools.

But a lot of what you just pointed out is why RU and Syracuse are probably being considered.

From todays NJ Star Ledger

There was an article the other day where Joe Pa said he would prefer the Big Ten invite RU, Pitt or Syracuse.

[badgerwarhawk]

From what I have read I have the impression that above all the Big Ten wants to get into the East coast market and create a traveling partner for Penn State.  Rutgers and/or Syracuse fits that bill perfectly. 
Also the Big Ten commissioner has stated that the Big Ten has not spoken with any schools at this time.

[02 Warhawk]

From what I have read I have the impression that above all the Big Ten wants to get into the East coast market and create a traveling partner for Penn State.  Rutgers and/or Syracuse fits that bill perfectly. 
Also the Big Ten commissioner has stated that the Big Ten has not spoken with any schools at this time.

How about Mount Union?       

[retagent]

I read what bw said.

Warhawk 02 - you are a day late and a dollar short on that one. Maybe where you are, you're two days late.

[Knightstalker]

From what I have read I have the impression that above all the Big Ten wants to get into the East coast market and create a traveling partner for Penn State.  Rutgers and/or Syracuse fits that bill perfectly. 
Also the Big Ten commissioner has stated that the Big Ten has not spoken with any schools at this time.

How about Mount Union?       

Ohio State couldn't handle the competition.

[hazzben]

On a lighter note. Stewart Mandel over at si.com weighed in on our Big 10 discussion (can you tell I find the subject interesting). http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/12/15/bigten-expansion/index.html

He had me on board, until the suggested Nebraska as the only likely candidate. I agree they fit his criteria of some serious TV market share and $$ for the conference, as well as strength to a possible 'west division.' But what does Nebraska gain? They lose longstanding rivalries with schools like Oklahoma, Missouri and Colorado and leave a conference that has a much better image. Not to mention, their recruiting ground is typically smack dab in Big 12 country (with the occasional exception of a CA and FL recruit here and there). You can't tell me moving to the Big 10 wouldn't dilute their recruiting effectiveness in Texas!

Other than that, I think Mandel makes a good argument. Since I think it's unlikely either ND of Nebraska make the move, I don't think expansion seems that likely or is that great a deal for the conference. (Although I'd love to finally get Nebraska's games on tv when it is 'local' coverage)

problem is nebraska is none to happy that the big 12 has made it basically a big texas conference. nebraska doesnt always  have its traditional game w/ okie anymore.....that being said me thinks mizzou would still be the more logical fit as do many others. they bring the whole kansas city/st louis market in to play. although if they take several teams wouldnt be surprised it neb/mizzou were 2 of them. everyone is tired of ND being on the fence. faculty/admins would like to join the big 10 since it would bring ND a ton more money but the boosters are stuck back in time and think everyone wants to go to ND. Rutgers doesnt bring much to the table as they have to pay to put their games on tv locally and penn st. crushes them head to head in tv ratings since nj/ny have the largest concentration of alumni outside of PA.

Not sure who your source is, but as a diehard Husker fan, I can say I haven't heard any such rumblings. Not to mention, UT is the only real big and consistent player from their state. A & M has been down and Tech has only been in legit contention once or twice. There is an undeniable tilt to the South in recent years, but that is actually more fodder for Nebraska to stay.

Consider, we think the Southern tilt has a lot (everything  ) to do with our decline under Callahan. We'd love to bring parity to the Big 12 by returning to national prominence. Also, we hate the fact we only play OU every other year, but a move to the Big 10 doesn't help that problem, it only exacerbates it. There is no way Nebraska walks away from all its tradition and rivalries (and it does put stock in the lesser rivalries against KU and KSU as well). Especially for what would at best be considered a lateral move, but what many at NU and in the Big 12 would consider a step down. You totally underestimate the amount of Big 10 loathing that exists in Lincoln. I just don't think Nebraska would ever bite for all the reasons above, but especially when all their neighbors would accuse them of taking the easy way out.

As for Mizzou, see much of the same above. There is a paltry rivalry with Illinois, but nothing outside of this for them to gain. And they lose their rivalries with NU, KU and KSU. That, and Mizzou folks think of themselves as more of a Southern/Midwest hybrid, and if forced to choose, in my experience they tend to see themselves as more Southern than Midwestern. (I realize anyone from the deep south probably finds this unfathomable, but growing up in Iowa, that was what I experienced from our 'southern' neighbors) Bottom line, I think the Big 12 just has a lot more loyalty from its schools than does the Big East. That and the Big 10 has an image problem.

As for 2 teams, not a chance. The Big 10 isn't going to jump from 11 to 13 schools. They'd be an oddball as a 13 team conference and it would make the potential 2 divisions unbalanced...no way it happens.

If you read the article, Mandel makes a pretty good argument that Rutgers/Syracuse bringing in the NYC/NJ market is probably a false hope. I'd have to agree, although that doesn't mean the Big 10 won't give it a run. Pitt seems to be another possibility, although they already have that market with Penn State.

One thing that will no doubt come into play is the pride of the Big 10 Commish, Presidents and ADs. They don't want to get snubbed again like they did a decade ago by ND. Spin it however you will, but that is embarrassing for a conference as old, storied and proud as the Big 10. If they make an offer to a school, they'll want a pretty good shot at that school accepting. I think rules out ND (the best fit), NU and Mizzou IMO.

One last thing. ND would probably loose money by joining the Big 10. They have a monster deal with NBC they would lose, not to mention, they'd have to share bowl proceeds. As it stands now, they get 100% of both those revenue sources.