FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[AO]

Et tu, VOJ?  A Farve hater?  Cripes, it's not like he's a Tommie.

Favre's playing his heart out.  As a guy that is pretty much his age, I like the fact that he's grabbed the chance to be 23 one last time and he's putting everytging into it.  It's a great thing.  And if he retirement kabuki at the end of the season, then I can tolerate that as well.  He made this team a fantastic thing this year.

You know who deserves the hate?  Chilli.  That goofball is already convincing himself that TJ has absorbed all of #4's wisdom (the rarely spotted football-osmosis principle).  He will be arguing that TJ can take us forward like Rogers will do for GB.  That's the problem.  Hate the Chilli.

OZ let me make this plainly simple for you...I hate all things purple...from Barney and his twin USTTDT to Favre to Chilly.

So for 16 years you blindly cheer for a guy to lead you to the promised land and defend those who take shots at the interceptions, the love-fest from John Madden, you basically live and die with the guy...then his prima donna asshole side comes out and guess what he wants to stick it to the Packers, well mission accomplished he did that, the rest of this is icing for him, trust me if the Vikings lose on Sunday, he may care a little but deep down he will think...I came back and kicked ass played like I should have played all along instead of being a reckless gunslinger, we went farther than GB and I have two wins over them, this is just a minor setback, I stuck it to Ted Thompson hahahahahaha.

You guys would have the same feelings if Fran Tarkenton had decided, gosh I could play one more year and although the Vikes don't want me, GB has offered me a contract...and he leads the Pack to big wins against Minnesota and a playoff run, or more to the point of the sports climate in Minnesota, let's say that Joe Mauer can't work a deal with the Twins and the team that wins the bidding war is one of the following...the Yankees(hated by most if not all Twins fans), the Red Sox, (a big money team that you can learn to hate), or the WHITE SOX, so not only is he not in the Twins lineup but you play against him 19 times a year and for your biggest division rival, Twins fans would be pissed at management for not getting a deal done and at Mauer for going to the enemy.  Don't say oh that's business...its just baseball, nobody plays for the same team forever, etc.

Brett Favre didn't want to stick it to the packers until they gave him a reason to.  Childress did what the packers were unwilling to do: wait indefinitely for #4.  And it has paid off big time.  The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league.  

That said, the Vikings were better than the Packers before Favre as they won the division with Frerotte and Tjack.  Rodgers is also clearly a very good qb, but it's hard to say if he would have been able to do that for any other team.  
I honestly don't think Favre would have been booed in the Metrodome if the roles had been reversed.   Kevin Garnett, Randy Moss, David Ortiz and Torii Hunter are all given standing ovations, even though they had less success than Favre did.  

Were any of those guys the life blood of a franchise?  Maybe KG, but the Wolves are irrelevant right now so it really does not matter.  Took you to a title?  Stayed in your colors for 16 years?  NO, NO, and NO...your lack of knowledge about sports  and inability to make a comparable argument is on display again AO, keep up the good work.

You really think that TJack would have led the Vikings to two wins over the Packers this year?  He did such a good job last year...opening game loss and if not for Mason Crosby choking...again, it would have been 0-2...as Jim Calhoun says, get your facts right and then come talk to me otherwise let me give you some advice...just shut up, shut up.

If he was the life blood of a franchise, why let him go?  Give him whatever he wants.
Even if Mason Crosby makes the 52 yarder, the pack are still 2 games behind the vikes.  If you really think the pack would have beat the vikes this year if tjack was behind center, it must really burn you that Favre is the deciding factor.  

and yes it is still very weird to see KG, Torii and Moss in another team's colors.  It wasn't 16 years, but it felt like they wouldn't play for anybody else.  They were the "life blood of the franchise".  I think we're seeing a whole other level of hate towards the packer fans this year due to the way they treated Favre.  

[Brett Favre.   The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league.    

While I certainly couldn't argue that Favre hasn't had a great season he didn't throw the most touchdowns and fewest interceptions "of any QB" in the league.  Favre threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season.  Drew Brees threw 34.  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers also threw 33 touchdowns so Favre actually tied for second.  As far as interceptions go once again he was tied with Aaron Rodgers with a league low 7.  

I know you don't want to remember the playoffs, but Favre and Brees are tied at 37 now with Favre still at 7 ints while Rodgers has 8.

**Edit: maybe you do count the playoffs as you credited rodgers with 3 additional tds (though he threw 4 against the cards) and no interceptions

[badgerwarhawk]

Actually they are tied at 37.

Favre: 33 + 4 = 37
Brees: 34 + 3 = 37

Brees may have been able to throw for another but the last pass he attempted was with a little over 8 minutes remaining in the game when New Orleans, with an insurmountable lead, elected to run the ball for one possession and have Brees take three consecutive knees on the next, their last possession of the game.  

Ah, you corrected yourself before I could finish. lol

[AO]

Actually they are tied at 37.

Favre: 33 + 4 = 37
Brees: 34 + 3 = 37

Brees may have been able to throw for another but the last pass he attempted was with a little over 8 minutes remaining in the game when New Orleans, with an insurmountable lead, elected to run the ball for one possession and have Brees take three consecutive knees on the next, their last possession of the game.   

except that Favre did it against the cowboys, while Brees against the Cards.  How anyone could win while a playoff game while giving up 45 points is beyond me...

[badgerwarhawk]

Rodgers threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season so I didn't credit him with any additional playoff touchdowns.    

[VOJ]

Et tu, VOJ?  A Farve hater?  Cripes, it's not like he's a Tommie.

Favre's playing his heart out.  As a guy that is pretty much his age, I like the fact that he's grabbed the chance to be 23 one last time and he's putting everytging into it.  It's a great thing.  And if he retirement kabuki at the end of the season, then I can tolerate that as well.  He made this team a fantastic thing this year.

You know who deserves the hate?  Chilli.  That goofball is already convincing himself that TJ has absorbed all of #4's wisdom (the rarely spotted football-osmosis principle).  He will be arguing that TJ can take us forward like Rogers will do for GB.  That's the problem.  Hate the Chilli.

OZ let me make this plainly simple for you...I hate all things purple...from Barney and his twin USTTDT to Favre to Chilly.

So for 16 years you blindly cheer for a guy to lead you to the promised land and defend those who take shots at the interceptions, the love-fest from John Madden, you basically live and die with the guy...then his prima donna asshole side comes out and guess what he wants to stick it to the Packers, well mission accomplished he did that, the rest of this is icing for him, trust me if the Vikings lose on Sunday, he may care a little but deep down he will think...I came back and kicked ass played like I should have played all along instead of being a reckless gunslinger, we went farther than GB and I have two wins over them, this is just a minor setback, I stuck it to Ted Thompson hahahahahaha.

You guys would have the same feelings if Fran Tarkenton had decided, gosh I could play one more year and although the Vikes don't want me, GB has offered me a contract...and he leads the Pack to big wins against Minnesota and a playoff run, or more to the point of the sports climate in Minnesota, let's say that Joe Mauer can't work a deal with the Twins and the team that wins the bidding war is one of the following...the Yankees(hated by most if not all Twins fans), the Red Sox, (a big money team that you can learn to hate), or the WHITE SOX, so not only is he not in the Twins lineup but you play against him 19 times a year and for your biggest division rival, Twins fans would be pissed at management for not getting a deal done and at Mauer for going to the enemy.  Don't say oh that's business...its just baseball, nobody plays for the same team forever, etc.

Brett Favre didn't want to stick it to the packers until they gave him a reason to.  Childress did what the packers were unwilling to do: wait indefinitely for #4.  And it has paid off big time.  The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league. 

That said, the Vikings were better than the Packers before Favre as they won the division with Frerotte and Tjack.  Rodgers is also clearly a very good qb, but it's hard to say if he would have been able to do that for any other team. 
I honestly don't think Favre would have been booed in the Metrodome if the roles had been reversed.   Kevin Garnett, Randy Moss, David Ortiz and Torii Hunter are all given standing ovations, even though they had less success than Favre did. 

Were any of those guys the life blood of a franchise?  Maybe KG, but the Wolves are irrelevant right now so it really does not matter.  Took you to a title?  Stayed in your colors for 16 years?  NO, NO, and NO...your lack of knowledge about sports  and inability to make a comparable argument is on display again AO, keep up the good work.

You really think that TJack would have led the Vikings to two wins over the Packers this year?  He did such a good job last year...opening game loss and if not for Mason Crosby choking...again, it would have been 0-2...as Jim Calhoun says, get your facts right and then come talk to me otherwise let me give you some advice...just shut up, shut up.

If he was the life blood of a franchise, why let him go?  Give him whatever he wants.
Even if Mason Crosby makes the 52 yarder, the pack are still 2 games behind the vikes.  If you really think the pack would have beat the vikes this year if tjack was behind center, it must really burn you that Favre is the deciding factor.  

and yes it is still very weird to see KG, Torii and Moss in another team's colors.  It wasn't 16 years, but it felt like they wouldn't play for anybody else.  They were the "life blood of the franchise".  I think we're seeing a whole other level of hate towards the packer fans this year due to the way they treated Favre.  

[Brett Favre.   The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league.   

While I certainly couldn't argue that Favre hasn't had a great season he didn't throw the most touchdowns and fewest interceptions "of any QB" in the league.  Favre threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season.  Drew Brees threw 34.  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers also threw 33 touchdowns so Favre actually tied for second.  As far as interceptions go once again he was tied with Aaron Rodgers with a league low 7. 

I know you don't want to remember the playoffs, but Favre and Brees are tied at 38 now with Favre still at 7 ints while Rodgers has 8.

AO...really Torii was going to stay a Twin forever?  They were too cheap to sign him and everyone new before his last season that they were most likely seeing him play for the Twins for the last time, its not like he was Kirby Puckett.

As for KG the franchise had gone as far as they could go with his monster contract being the anchor taking them down, so they blew up the franchise and are now an irrelevant item in the winter...KG got his deserved title with one of the pillar franchise's in the NBA...as I stated before he was the franchise but he only had one run in the playoffs past the first round so he falls short in the title question.  

Moss...really?  After Carter retired what was around to keep him here, the off the field issues and the Vikings made the choice to cut him lose and I really didn't hear a great public outcry.  

As for Mason's FG, in the grand scheme of things your right it would not have made a difference. but the point I was making is that it really was not TJack or Ferrotte or whoever was under center last year that won the game for MN...they got beat in game one and Crosby choked away game 2.  Nuff said there

The relevance of your arguments is still lacking.  

They let Favre go because he told them he was retired, then he decided after they had committed to Arod that he wanted to come back...too late for managements taste, and its not the first time this had happened.  I wish he had realized earlier in his career that he did not have to try to force the ball so much and take foolish chances, that is all I really regret.

[AO]

Et tu, VOJ?  A Farve hater?  Cripes, it's not like he's a Tommie.

Favre's playing his heart out.  As a guy that is pretty much his age, I like the fact that he's grabbed the chance to be 23 one last time and he's putting everytging into it.  It's a great thing.  And if he retirement kabuki at the end of the season, then I can tolerate that as well.  He made this team a fantastic thing this year.

You know who deserves the hate?  Chilli.  That goofball is already convincing himself that TJ has absorbed all of #4's wisdom (the rarely spotted football-osmosis principle).  He will be arguing that TJ can take us forward like Rogers will do for GB.  That's the problem.  Hate the Chilli.

OZ let me make this plainly simple for you...I hate all things purple...from Barney and his twin USTTDT to Favre to Chilly.

So for 16 years you blindly cheer for a guy to lead you to the promised land and defend those who take shots at the interceptions, the love-fest from John Madden, you basically live and die with the guy...then his prima donna asshole side comes out and guess what he wants to stick it to the Packers, well mission accomplished he did that, the rest of this is icing for him, trust me if the Vikings lose on Sunday, he may care a little but deep down he will think...I came back and kicked ass played like I should have played all along instead of being a reckless gunslinger, we went farther than GB and I have two wins over them, this is just a minor setback, I stuck it to Ted Thompson hahahahahaha.

You guys would have the same feelings if Fran Tarkenton had decided, gosh I could play one more year and although the Vikes don't want me, GB has offered me a contract...and he leads the Pack to big wins against Minnesota and a playoff run, or more to the point of the sports climate in Minnesota, let's say that Joe Mauer can't work a deal with the Twins and the team that wins the bidding war is one of the following...the Yankees(hated by most if not all Twins fans), the Red Sox, (a big money team that you can learn to hate), or the WHITE SOX, so not only is he not in the Twins lineup but you play against him 19 times a year and for your biggest division rival, Twins fans would be pissed at management for not getting a deal done and at Mauer for going to the enemy.  Don't say oh that's business...its just baseball, nobody plays for the same team forever, etc.

Brett Favre didn't want to stick it to the packers until they gave him a reason to.  Childress did what the packers were unwilling to do: wait indefinitely for #4.  And it has paid off big time.  The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league. 

That said, the Vikings were better than the Packers before Favre as they won the division with Frerotte and Tjack.  Rodgers is also clearly a very good qb, but it's hard to say if he would have been able to do that for any other team. 
I honestly don't think Favre would have been booed in the Metrodome if the roles had been reversed.   Kevin Garnett, Randy Moss, David Ortiz and Torii Hunter are all given standing ovations, even though they had less success than Favre did. 

Were any of those guys the life blood of a franchise?  Maybe KG, but the Wolves are irrelevant right now so it really does not matter.  Took you to a title?  Stayed in your colors for 16 years?  NO, NO, and NO...your lack of knowledge about sports  and inability to make a comparable argument is on display again AO, keep up the good work.

You really think that TJack would have led the Vikings to two wins over the Packers this year?  He did such a good job last year...opening game loss and if not for Mason Crosby choking...again, it would have been 0-2...as Jim Calhoun says, get your facts right and then come talk to me otherwise let me give you some advice...just shut up, shut up.

If he was the life blood of a franchise, why let him go?  Give him whatever he wants.
Even if Mason Crosby makes the 52 yarder, the pack are still 2 games behind the vikes.  If you really think the pack would have beat the vikes this year if tjack was behind center, it must really burn you that Favre is the deciding factor.  

and yes it is still very weird to see KG, Torii and Moss in another team's colors.  It wasn't 16 years, but it felt like they wouldn't play for anybody else.  They were the "life blood of the franchise".  I think we're seeing a whole other level of hate towards the packer fans this year due to the way they treated Favre.  

[Brett Favre.   The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league.   

While I certainly couldn't argue that Favre hasn't had a great season he didn't throw the most touchdowns and fewest interceptions "of any QB" in the league.  Favre threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season.  Drew Brees threw 34.  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers also threw 33 touchdowns so Favre actually tied for second.  As far as interceptions go once again he was tied with Aaron Rodgers with a league low 7. 

I know you don't want to remember the playoffs, but Favre and Brees are tied at 38 now with Favre still at 7 ints while Rodgers has 8.

AO...really Torii was going to stay a Twin forever?  They were too cheap to sign him and everyone new before his last season that they were most likely seeing him play for the Twins for the last time, its not like he was Kirby Puckett.

As for KG the franchise had gone as far as they could go with his monster contract being the anchor taking them down, so they blew up the franchise and are now an irrelevant item in the winter...KG got his deserved title with one of the pillar franchise's in the NBA...as I stated before he was the franchise but he only had one run in the playoffs past the first round so he falls short in the title question.  

Moss...really?  After Carter retired what was around to keep him here, the off the field issues and the Vikings made the choice to cut him lose and I really didn't hear a great public outcry.  

As for Mason's FG, in the grand scheme of things your right it would not have made a difference. but the point I was making is that it really was not TJack or Ferrotte or whoever was under center last year that won the game for MN...they got beat in game one and Crosby choked away game 2.  Nuff said there

The relevance of your arguments is still lacking.  

They let Favre go because he told them he was retired, then he decided after they had committed to Arod that he wanted to come back...too late for managements taste, and its not the first time this had happened.  I wish he had realized earlier in his career that he did not have to try to force the ball so much and take foolish chances, that is all I really regret.

I think most everybody wanted Torii, KG and Randy to stay.  Management couldn't get it done and therefore the majority of the blame was placed at the feet of the pohlads, mchale, and red mccombs.   I don't think there's any way Minnesota backs Ted Thompson/McCarthy the way Wiscy has.  Minnesotans sure seem pretty pleased with the way Childress and Zygi handled things with Favre. 

Rodgers threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season so I didn't credit him with any additional playoff touchdowns.     

The correct number is 30. Rodgers had an unbelievable year.  Just a bit behind Favre this year, but Favre might have had his best season ever, so it's no knock against Aaron.

[badgerwarhawk]

You are correct, it was 30.  Now I'm not sure what the heck I was looking at.  My bad.

[OzJohnnie]

VOJ; I feel your pain, cheesehead.  Suckers!  (All polightness goes out the window during the playoffs.  Plus we're stuck on irreconcilable ends of emotional arguements, not that yours is without merit.  I'm just wed to mine.)

AO; I find myself in the rare situation of partially cheering you on, specifically your successful WW/GB combo stats victory.  Mark this date and time: 8:12am, Jan 20 2008, at Windsor station on the Sandringham line.

[BDB]

Et tu, VOJ?  A Farve hater?  Cripes, it's not like he's a Tommie.

Favre's playing his heart out.  As a guy that is pretty much his age, I like the fact that he's grabbed the chance to be 23 one last time and he's putting everytging into it.  It's a great thing.  And if he retirement kabuki at the end of the season, then I can tolerate that as well.  He made this team a fantastic thing this year.

You know who deserves the hate?  Chilli.  That goofball is already convincing himself that TJ has absorbed all of #4's wisdom (the rarely spotted football-osmosis principle).  He will be arguing that TJ can take us forward like Rogers will do for GB.  That's the problem.  Hate the Chilli.

OZ let me make this plainly simple for you...I hate all things purple...from Barney and his twin USTTDT to Favre to Chilly.

So for 16 years you blindly cheer for a guy to lead you to the promised land and defend those who take shots at the interceptions, the love-fest from John Madden, you basically live and die with the guy...then his prima donna asshole side comes out and guess what he wants to stick it to the Packers, well mission accomplished he did that, the rest of this is icing for him, trust me if the Vikings lose on Sunday, he may care a little but deep down he will think...I came back and kicked ass played like I should have played all along instead of being a reckless gunslinger, we went farther than GB and I have two wins over them, this is just a minor setback, I stuck it to Ted Thompson hahahahahaha.

You guys would have the same feelings if Fran Tarkenton had decided, gosh I could play one more year and although the Vikes don't want me, GB has offered me a contract...and he leads the Pack to big wins against Minnesota and a playoff run, or more to the point of the sports climate in Minnesota, let's say that Joe Mauer can't work a deal with the Twins and the team that wins the bidding war is one of the following...the Yankees(hated by most if not all Twins fans), the Red Sox, (a big money team that you can learn to hate), or the WHITE SOX, so not only is he not in the Twins lineup but you play against him 19 times a year and for your biggest division rival, Twins fans would be pissed at management for not getting a deal done and at Mauer for going to the enemy.  Don't say oh that's business...its just baseball, nobody plays for the same team forever, etc.

Brett Favre didn't want to stick it to the packers until they gave him a reason to.  Childress did what the packers were unwilling to do: wait indefinitely for #4.  And it has paid off big time.  The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league. 

That said, the Vikings were better than the Packers before Favre as they won the division with Frerotte and Tjack.  Rodgers is also clearly a very good qb, but it's hard to say if he would have been able to do that for any other team. 
I honestly don't think Favre would have been booed in the Metrodome if the roles had been reversed.   Kevin Garnett, Randy Moss, David Ortiz and Torii Hunter are all given standing ovations, even though they had less success than Favre did. 

Were any of those guys the life blood of a franchise?  Maybe KG, but the Wolves are irrelevant right now so it really does not matter.  Took you to a title?  Stayed in your colors for 16 years?  NO, NO, and NO...your lack of knowledge about sports  and inability to make a comparable argument is on display again AO, keep up the good work.

You really think that TJack would have led the Vikings to two wins over the Packers this year?  He did such a good job last year...opening game loss and if not for Mason Crosby choking...again, it would have been 0-2...as Jim Calhoun says, get your facts right and then come talk to me otherwise let me give you some advice...just shut up, shut up.

If he was the life blood of a franchise, why let him go?  Give him whatever he wants.
Even if Mason Crosby makes the 52 yarder, the pack are still 2 games behind the vikes.  If you really think the pack would have beat the vikes this year if tjack was behind center, it must really burn you that Favre is the deciding factor.  

and yes it is still very weird to see KG, Torii and Moss in another team's colors.  It wasn't 16 years, but it felt like they wouldn't play for anybody else.  They were the "life blood of the franchise".  I think we're seeing a whole other level of hate towards the packer fans this year due to the way they treated Favre.  

[Brett Favre.   The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league.   

While I certainly couldn't argue that Favre hasn't had a great season he didn't throw the most touchdowns and fewest interceptions "of any QB" in the league.  Favre threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season.  Drew Brees threw 34.  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers also threw 33 touchdowns so Favre actually tied for second.  As far as interceptions go once again he was tied with Aaron Rodgers with a league low 7. 

I know you don't want to remember the playoffs, but Favre and Brees are tied at 38 now with Favre still at 7 ints while Rodgers has 8.

AO...really Torii was going to stay a Twin forever?  They were too cheap to sign him and everyone new before his last season that they were most likely seeing him play for the Twins for the last time, its not like he was Kirby Puckett.

As for KG the franchise had gone as far as they could go with his monster contract being the anchor taking them down, so they blew up the franchise and are now an irrelevant item in the winter...KG got his deserved title with one of the pillar franchise's in the NBA...as I stated before he was the franchise but he only had one run in the playoffs past the first round so he falls short in the title question.  

Moss...really?  After Carter retired what was around to keep him here, the off the field issues and the Vikings made the choice to cut him lose and I really didn't hear a great public outcry.  

As for Mason's FG, in the grand scheme of things your right it would not have made a difference. but the point I was making is that it really was not TJack or Ferrotte or whoever was under center last year that won the game for MN...they got beat in game one and Crosby choked away game 2.  Nuff said there

The relevance of your arguments is still lacking.  

They let Favre go because he told them he was retired, then he decided after they had committed to Arod that he wanted to come back...too late for managements taste, and its not the first time this had happened.  I wish he had realized earlier in his career that he did not have to try to force the ball so much and take foolish chances, that is all I really regret.

I think most everybody wanted Torii, KG and Randy to stay.  Management couldn't get it done and therefore the majority of the blame was placed at the feet of the pohlads, mchale, and red mccombs.   I don't think there's any way Minnesota backs Ted Thompson/McCarthy the way Wiscy has.  Minnesotans sure seem pretty pleased with the way Childress and Zygi handled things with Favre. 

Rodgers threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season so I didn't credit him with any additional playoff touchdowns.     

The correct number is 30. Rodgers had an unbelievable year.  Just a bit behind Favre this year, but Favre might have had his best season ever, so it's no knock against Aaron.

I have nothing to say. Just wanted to set the longest quote record.

[stanbob]

Holy sh*t!  NO more drinking during the day for me.  I find myself totally agreeing with AO.  Hopefully, God willing, I will wake up and this will all have been a bad dream.

[OzJohnnie]

A nice afternoon at the tennis with a client.  Nadal killed the poor lamb.  Highlight was a guy yelling out in a cheesy Arnold Schwarzteneger voice, "You can do it, Locik!"  It's in imitation of a late night car dealer's add.

I have spoken to the freebird on the phone, but yet to have a beer with the Skynyrd rocker.  It's a very busy schedule these TV types keep.

[VOJ]

Holy sh*t!  NO more drinking during the day for me.  I find myself totally agreeing with AO.  Hopefully, God willing, I will wake up and this will all have been a bad dream.

VOJ; I feel your pain, cheesehead.  Suckers!  (All polightness goes out the window during the playoffs.  Plus we're stuck on irreconcilable ends of emotional arguements, not that yours is without merit.  I'm just wed to mine.)

AO; I find myself in the rare situation of partially cheering you on, specifically your successful WW/GB combo stats victory.  Mark this date and time: 8:12am, Jan 20 2008, at Windsor station on the Sandringham line.

Armageddon is upon us, heaven help us all.

[BDB]

A nice afternoon at the tennis with a client. 

Oz, I was going to ask you about the buzz around the Aussie Open. Watched an hour of the gals last night. Kept waiting for Anna to come out to play, but no dice. 

Rod Laver Arena looks nice. Lot's of crazy people wearing hats.

[retagent]

I had to dry my jammies after BDB's post. I was thinking along the same lines, but wasn't awake enough (or smart enough) to do what he did. +k.

Call the hockey police, the Caps stole one from the Red Wings last night. What goalie issues?

[tmerton]

Et tu, VOJ?  A Farve hater?  Cripes, it's not like he's a Tommie.

Favre's playing his heart out.  As a guy that is pretty much his age, I like the fact that he's grabbed the chance to be 23 one last time and he's putting everytging into it.  It's a great thing.  And if he retirement kabuki at the end of the season, then I can tolerate that as well.  He made this team a fantastic thing this year.

You know who deserves the hate?  Chilli.  That goofball is already convincing himself that TJ has absorbed all of #4's wisdom (the rarely spotted football-osmosis principle).  He will be arguing that TJ can take us forward like Rogers will do for GB.  That's the problem.  Hate the Chilli.

OZ let me make this plainly simple for you...I hate all things purple...from Barney and his twin USTTDT to Favre to Chilly.

So for 16 years you blindly cheer for a guy to lead you to the promised land and defend those who take shots at the interceptions, the love-fest from John Madden, you basically live and die with the guy...then his prima donna asshole side comes out and guess what he wants to stick it to the Packers, well mission accomplished he did that, the rest of this is icing for him, trust me if the Vikings lose on Sunday, he may care a little but deep down he will think...I came back and kicked ass played like I should have played all along instead of being a reckless gunslinger, we went farther than GB and I have two wins over them, this is just a minor setback, I stuck it to Ted Thompson hahahahahaha.

You guys would have the same feelings if Fran Tarkenton had decided, gosh I could play one more year and although the Vikes don't want me, GB has offered me a contract...and he leads the Pack to big wins against Minnesota and a playoff run, or more to the point of the sports climate in Minnesota, let's say that Joe Mauer can't work a deal with the Twins and the team that wins the bidding war is one of the following...the Yankees(hated by most if not all Twins fans), the Red Sox, (a big money team that you can learn to hate), or the WHITE SOX, so not only is he not in the Twins lineup but you play against him 19 times a year and for your biggest division rival, Twins fans would be pissed at management for not getting a deal done and at Mauer for going to the enemy.  Don't say oh that's business...its just baseball, nobody plays for the same team forever, etc.

Brett Favre didn't want to stick it to the packers until they gave him a reason to.  Childress did what the packers were unwilling to do: wait indefinitely for #4.  And it has paid off big time.  The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league. 

That said, the Vikings were better than the Packers before Favre as they won the division with Frerotte and Tjack.  Rodgers is also clearly a very good qb, but it's hard to say if he would have been able to do that for any other team. 
I honestly don't think Favre would have been booed in the Metrodome if the roles had been reversed.   Kevin Garnett, Randy Moss, David Ortiz and Torii Hunter are all given standing ovations, even though they had less success than Favre did. 

Were any of those guys the life blood of a franchise?  Maybe KG, but the Wolves are irrelevant right now so it really does not matter.  Took you to a title?  Stayed in your colors for 16 years?  NO, NO, and NO...your lack of knowledge about sports  and inability to make a comparable argument is on display again AO, keep up the good work.

You really think that TJack would have led the Vikings to two wins over the Packers this year?  He did such a good job last year...opening game loss and if not for Mason Crosby choking...again, it would have been 0-2...as Jim Calhoun says, get your facts right and then come talk to me otherwise let me give you some advice...just shut up, shut up.

If he was the life blood of a franchise, why let him go?  Give him whatever he wants.
Even if Mason Crosby makes the 52 yarder, the pack are still 2 games behind the vikes.  If you really think the pack would have beat the vikes this year if tjack was behind center, it must really burn you that Favre is the deciding factor.  

and yes it is still very weird to see KG, Torii and Moss in another team's colors.  It wasn't 16 years, but it felt like they wouldn't play for anybody else.  They were the "life blood of the franchise".  I think we're seeing a whole other level of hate towards the packer fans this year due to the way they treated Favre.  

[Brett Favre.   The most TDs and fewest interceptions of any QB in the league.   

While I certainly couldn't argue that Favre hasn't had a great season he didn't throw the most touchdowns and fewest interceptions "of any QB" in the league.  Favre threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season.  Drew Brees threw 34.  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers also threw 33 touchdowns so Favre actually tied for second.  As far as interceptions go once again he was tied with Aaron Rodgers with a league low 7. 

I know you don't want to remember the playoffs, but Favre and Brees are tied at 38 now with Favre still at 7 ints while Rodgers has 8.

AO...really Torii was going to stay a Twin forever?  They were too cheap to sign him and everyone new before his last season that they were most likely seeing him play for the Twins for the last time, its not like he was Kirby Puckett.

As for KG the franchise had gone as far as they could go with his monster contract being the anchor taking them down, so they blew up the franchise and are now an irrelevant item in the winter...KG got his deserved title with one of the pillar franchise's in the NBA...as I stated before he was the franchise but he only had one run in the playoffs past the first round so he falls short in the title question.  

Moss...really?  After Carter retired what was around to keep him here, the off the field issues and the Vikings made the choice to cut him lose and I really didn't hear a great public outcry.  

As for Mason's FG, in the grand scheme of things your right it would not have made a difference. but the point I was making is that it really was not TJack or Ferrotte or whoever was under center last year that won the game for MN...they got beat in game one and Crosby choked away game 2.  Nuff said there

The relevance of your arguments is still lacking.  

They let Favre go because he told them he was retired, then he decided after they had committed to Arod that he wanted to come back...too late for managements taste, and its not the first time this had happened.  I wish he had realized earlier in his career that he did not have to try to force the ball so much and take foolish chances, that is all I really regret.

I think most everybody wanted Torii, KG and Randy to stay.  Management couldn't get it done and therefore the majority of the blame was placed at the feet of the pohlads, mchale, and red mccombs.   I don't think there's any way Minnesota backs Ted Thompson/McCarthy the way Wiscy has.  Minnesotans sure seem pretty pleased with the way Childress and Zygi handled things with Favre. 

Rodgers threw 33 touchdowns during the regular season so I didn't credit him with any additional playoff touchdowns.     

The correct number is 30. Rodgers had an unbelievable year.  Just a bit behind Favre this year, but Favre might have had his best season ever, so it's no knock against Aaron.

I have nothing to say. Just wanted to set the longest quote record.

Records were made to be broken.