FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

Thanks PC, timely and reading worthy of the game.

[faunch]

Johnnies fall to #23, but they are only team in Top 25 with 2 losses. Maybe just as important, UWEC is up to #17. If the Johnnies can win out, I think they may still be in the mix, even if it would mean a first round game at UWW or UST.

Big if but if SJU can get by Bethel next week they can probably do it.  Truth is that Bethel acutually worries me more than UST did.  
In addition I think UST has to go undefeated to help the Johnnies post-season chances.  Even if SJU beats Bethel a Tommie loss to BU will not be good for SJU...would it?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Johnnies fall to #23, but they are only team in Top 25 with 2 losses. Maybe just as important, UWEC is up to #17. If the Johnnies can win out, I think they may still be in the mix, even if it would mean a first round game at UWW or UST.

Big if but if SJU can get by Bethel next week they can probably do it.  Truth is that Bethel acutually worries me more than UST did.  
In addition I think UST has to go undefeated to help the Johnnies post-season chances.  Even if SJU beats Bethel a Tommie loss to BU will not be good for SJU...would it?

IF SJU beats BU, how could a BU defeat of the Tommies possibly be bad?  It might even give the Johnnies the AQ (depending on tie-break scenarios).  Remember that the polls have NOTHING (officially, at least) to do with playoff selection.  And who wins the Tommies/BU game will not in any way affect the SJU OWP or OOWP.  I can't figure your perceived downside.

[badger45]

My guess is that he wasn't making the play call.  The guy is more of a figure head then anything now.  Look to the o coordinator is my guess if you want to know who decided to throw it.

Yes, but I've been given grief for calling The Elder Gagliardi a figurehead before.  Thought it better to assign the head coach responsibility for a call that late in the game. 

Were the Johnnies in FG range at the 27?  Watching the kicker warm up and pummel extra points I thought 45 was very doable - and every yard on the ground, where the Johnnies had had success all day, would make it more of a reality.

Didn't know that it was so bad to say he was a figurehead.  I mean when I played a few years ago he didn't seem to really do anything during the game.  Don't get me wrong he was/is a great coach for many years.  Just have a hard time believeing someone with that much experience/games under his belt would call a pass play.  

[faunch]

Johnnies fall to #23, but they are only team in Top 25 with 2 losses. Maybe just as important, UWEC is up to #17. If the Johnnies can win out, I think they may still be in the mix, even if it would mean a first round game at UWW or UST.

Big if but if SJU can get by Bethel next week they can probably do it.  Truth is that Bethel acutually worries me more than UST did.  
In addition I think UST has to go undefeated to help the Johnnies post-season chances.  Even if SJU beats Bethel a Tommie loss to BU will not be good for SJU...would it?

IF SJU beats BU, how could a BU defeat of the Tommies possibly be bad?  It might even give the Johnnies the AQ (depending on tie-break scenarios).  Remember that the polls have NOTHING (officially, at least) to do with playoff selection.  And who wins the Tommies/BU game will not in any way affect the SJU OWP or OOWP.  I can't figure your perceived downside.

Downside would be that Bethel would have only 1 loss and SJU would have 2.  I think it would be very difficult for either one of them to be picked as an at-large. 

[Pat Coleman]

Johnnies fall to #23, but they are only team in Top 25 with 2 losses. Maybe just as important, UWEC is up to #17. If the Johnnies can win out, I think they may still be in the mix, even if it would mean a first round game at UWW or UST.

Unfortunately the NCAA isn't likely to follow our rankings. Last year was not kind to two-loss Pool C candidates.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Johnnies fall to #23, but they are only team in Top 25 with 2 losses. Maybe just as important, UWEC is up to #17. If the Johnnies can win out, I think they may still be in the mix, even if it would mean a first round game at UWW or UST.

Big if but if SJU can get by Bethel next week they can probably do it.  Truth is that Bethel acutually worries me more than UST did.  
In addition I think UST has to go undefeated to help the Johnnies post-season chances.  Even if SJU beats Bethel a Tommie loss to BU will not be good for SJU...would it?

IF SJU beats BU, how could a BU defeat of the Tommies possibly be bad?  It might even give the Johnnies the AQ (depending on tie-break scenarios).  Remember that the polls have NOTHING (officially, at least) to do with playoff selection.  And who wins the Tommies/BU game will not in any way affect the SJU OWP or OOWP.  I can't figure your perceived downside.

Downside would be that Bethel would have only 1 loss and SJU would have 2.  I think it would be very difficult for either one of them to be picked as an at-large. 

But the Tommies would also have a (conference) loss - why the assumption that SJU and BU would be fighting for an at-large?  If your scenario wins out, there is a 3-way tie for the title - not being an MIACer, I have no idea who wins.  (But, if someone else ALSO upsets the Tommies, the Johnnies don't need to worry about the non-con loss!)

[sfury]

If it'd be a three-way tie between Bethel, the Tommies and the Johnnies, Bethel, I think, would get the automatic bid. I believe the automatic bid goes to the team that hasn't been to the playoffs for the longest period of time. Which would be Bethel. So I think the most realistic hope for the Johnnies would be winning out, and having the Tommies give Bethel a second loss, since SJU would have the head-to-head against Bethel when it comes to postseason consideration (obviously the best thing would be for the Tommies to get two losses and the Johnnies to beat Bethel, but I don't see that happening).

And Badger, as for figurehead...yes, because as an opposing player you'd certainly have the best information on how much an opposing coach "does" during a game. After all, the only way to tell how much a coach does is if they're running up and down the sidelines, yelling, barking orders, drawing plays in the dirt, grabbing facemasks, making a spectacle. Phil Jackson, for instance. Different sport, but another figurehead. Dude just sits there for 48 minutes. Not like a real coach.

And again, the pass obviously didn't work. But you have a standout, experienced senior quarterback and you do need more yards to get into field goal range. There were many times when the run was stuffed, it's not like they were guaranteed to pick up 15 more yards on the ground. A pass play in that situation was not some bizarre call. They were on the 27 and this is Division III with D3 kickers. Not like they tried a pass from the 2-yard-line and had it picked.

[sjusection105]

And again, the pass obviously didn't work. But you have a standout, experienced senior quarterback and you do need more yards to get into field goal range. There were many times when the run was stuffed, it's not like they were guaranteed to pick up 15 more yards on the ground. A pass play in that situation was not some bizarre call. They were on the 27 and this is Division III with D3 kickers. Not like they tried a pass from the 2-yard-line and had it picked.

If the pass wasn't tipped slightly at the line,the receiver was open & would have had a nice gain,possibly a TD.

[DuffMan]

I think there is a lot of season left to be speculating about the Johnnie's playoff hopes...

[tommiegun]

If the pass wasn't tipped slightly at the line,the receiver was open & would have had a nice gain,possibly a TD.

If if and buts were candy and nuts...

[sjusection105]

If the pass wasn't tipped slightly at the line,the receiver was open & would have had a nice gain,possibly a TD.

If if and buts were candy and nuts...

I am well aware of this as well as the fact that if the UST kicker doesn't miss a PAT there wouldn't have been OT 

I was adding to sfury's conversation that the pass wasn't as bad of a call as all the armchair QB are making it out to be.

[USTBench]

Johnnie faithful,

Thanks for the awesome hospitality, I think one would be hard-pressed to find a better atmosphere in college football. My buddies and I had a great time, and look forward to coming back.

It also took a missed extra point in overtime before someone tried to trip me and pour beer on me. I usually don't make it through the first half Collegeville before that happens. 

[tmerton]

If we can manage to finish the season with only the two losses we have now, I think the NCAA should give us one of the Pool C bids based solely on the record attendance at last weekend's game.  What better criteria could you want?

But as someone else mentioned, Bethel may be a tougher game than the Tommies.  The Johnnies better be ready for that one.

[DuffMan]

I heard rumors of a PC-usTDT confrontation...have we heard the last of usTDT and Post Patterns???