FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[faunch]

Did anybody see this?  I think it's out of Ohio.  A kid scores a last minute touchdown to put his team ahead but is then penalized for excessive celebration for pointing his finger in the air.  It seems that earlier in the day he was a pall bearer at a classmate's funeral.
It doesn't appear "excessive" to me.
I'm wondering if the game officials were made aware of the tragic loss and possible emotional state of the players?
Was something said on the field in addition to the finger point?
Was there smack and trash talking during the game? 

Based on just the video it seems like a bad call.
Good thing is official never worked a Johnnie game when Todd Fultz played.  Fultz pointed to heaven after every TD he scored to honor his deceased younger brother.

http://www.fox8.com/videobeta/ad44da33-0318-4f6a-8c51-3f3a5f60c04b/News/Show-of-Emotion-Penalty

[57Johnnie]

That radio locator site is interesting.  I did a quick comparison of the areas of coverage and I think WCCO has our three stations beat in total coverage square miles, but I bet the distribution of our three stations actually has more people covered with better quality signals.  I wonder how the coverage of separate population centers be separate stations plays into advertising rates.  Obviously, it increases the advertising opportunities by three.  Just rambling incoherence here.  Do we have any advertising or radio folks (VOJ?) hanging around withnthe energy to post on this?

I'm no expert but I will venture a guess that WCCO advert. rate,even for a specialty program like Tommie athletics, would be greater than each individual station in the Johnnie Radio Network. That being said, the Johnnie Network could have 3 local "lead sponsors", i.e. 1 in each market. There is no way a local business, car dealership, grocery store, etc... in central or southern MN buys an ad on WCCO for Tommie sports,but 3 different car dealers would purchase ads ( from 3 different regions) on Johnnie broadcasts. The local station pays a fee for the "content" i.e. the pre-game, the game itself and the post-game and the local radio station then has something to sell advertising around. Without the game to sell around, you have Saturday afternoon Polka Party. I'm betting the advertising rates for Polka Party are good for a local radio station, but not as good as the Johnnie broadcast. 

.............. and where else will you catch them hawking vasectomies?   

[hazzben]

Did anybody see this?  I think it's out of Ohio.  A kid scores a last minute touchdown to put his team ahead but is then penalized for excessive celebration for pointing his finger in the air.  It seems that earlier in the day he was a pall bearer at a classmate's funeral.
It doesn't appear "excessive" to me.
I'm wondering if the game officials were made aware of the tragic loss and possible emotional state of the players?
Was something said on the field in addition to the finger point?
Was there smack and trash talking during the game? 

Based on just the video it seems like a bad call.
Good thing is official never worked a Johnnie game when Todd Fultz played.  Fultz pointed to heaven after every TD he scored to honor his deceased younger brother.

http://www.fox8.com/videobeta/ad44da33-0318-4f6a-8c51-3f3a5f60c04b/News/Show-of-Emotion-Penalty

That's just a dumb penalty by the ref. All the back story aside, it didn't even look like excessive celebration to begin with. If we're to the point that guys can't celebrate a TD together in the endzone like these kids were, then I guess they expect the players to just respond like robots.

[SJU68]

Did anybody see this?  I think it's out of Ohio.  A kid scores a last minute touchdown to put his team ahead but is then penalized for excessive celebration for pointing his finger in the air.  It seems that earlier in the day he was a pall bearer at a classmate's funeral.
It doesn't appear "excessive" to me.
I'm wondering if the game officials were made aware of the tragic loss and possible emotional state of the players?
Was something said on the field in addition to the finger point?
Was there smack and trash talking during the game? 

Based on just the video it seems like a bad call.
Good thing is official never worked a Johnnie game when Todd Fultz played.  Fultz pointed to heaven after every TD he scored to honor his deceased younger brother.

http://www.fox8.com/videobeta/ad44da33-0318-4f6a-8c51-3f3a5f60c04b/News/Show-of-Emotion-Penalty

That's just a dumb penalty by the ref. All the back story aside, it didn't even look like excessive celebration to begin with. If we're to the point that guys can't celebrate a TD together in the endzone like these kids were, then I guess they expect the players to just respond like robots.

If anyone had the opportunity to watch the Baylor-TCU game the other night you would have seen a similar mistake made by the officials in that game.  A receiver scored a touchdown early in a hotly contested game and was penalized for a minor celebration which appeared to be, from my vantage point on the couch, a pure emotional outburst of excitement and was in no way intended to draw attention or "upstage" the other side.  I think the gestapo-style reaction to celebrations has gone a little overboard if this is the way officials are going to enforce it.  In my honest opinion.

[DuffMan]

I didn't realize how big Bruns was (6-3, 215). Are we seeing the second coming of Tom Linnemann? (sans the wit and sarcasm)

That would depend on where he is big wouldn't it? If I remember correctly, TL carried a fair amount of his weight around the midsection. 

LOL, he always said the if anyone accused him of taking steroids, he'd just take his shirt off.  Sag Sam, Linneman's not a big guy.  Perhaps you're thinking of Corey Stanger?  He was a tank.

[DuffMan]

I have always loved that argument that SJU is in the middle of nowhere, so there is nothing else to do on a Saturday than spend money attending a DIII game...

I grew up 13 miles from SJU.  There's plenty to do on a nice Saturday afternoon.  It's called fishing

[DuffMan]

As a UST backer (and I would suspect BU supporters to be of the same opinion), I'll take the on the field success and extended seasons seven days a week and twice on Sunday over your attendance titles! Again, enjoy them while they last.

Oh, how quickly your forget your roots in mediocrity!  Keep gloating.  One OT win over SJU in recent years and now UST is top dog?  BU at least has had some sustained success, but UST?  Even Carleton and Augsburg have had their flashes of success. 

[tmerton]

And no one is questioning your fan attendance superiority. I might question your fan participation superiority. Fan for fan, I'll take Bethel's any day.

What that h#ll does "fan participation superiority" mean?

[sfury]

And no one is questioning your fan attendance superiority. I might question your fan participation superiority. Fan for fan, I'll take Bethel's any day.

What that h#ll does "fan participation superiority" mean?

They wear lots of flair.

I'll stay away from the attendance debate as I think both sides have a point, but Double O, your line about the tradition being behind the attendance and not recent success...

That makes it sound like fans are coming to the game because of the 1963 title or Matt Malmberg's exploits in the early '90s or Blake Elliott's.

"Come on kids, let's go to the field where Jim Lehman played!" Just as a reminder when talking about the "recent success" of the respective schools, the Johnnies were conference champs in '05, '06, '08 and '09. I don't know, that's pretty good in recent times.

You're right, in 2010 they weren't champs, and the Tommies beat them. But if the Johnnies had won four games or six games or even seven in each of those years I mentioned, they wouldn't be getting the fans they get today, no matter how dominant that 1965 team was on defense. Yes, the tradition is a big part of it - but so is "recent success." SJU fans are spoiled and do expect big things - and if the recent times hadn't been good, they wouldn't be drawing 8,000 for Northwestern.

Have the Johnnies been as good in the playoffs as they were in the late 90s-early 2000s? No. But in every other way, they've pretty much been just as good.

And Bethel deserves all the credit in the world for winning four of the last five against SJU - could have, should have been 5 in a row - and for their playoff success. But even there, over the last 10 years, SJU is 101-20, Bethel is 79-32. Head to head, 6-4 Johnnies, total scores 227-151.

Part of the reason the Johnnies draw big is because of what happened in the '60s and '70s and '80s and '90s and 2003. But another reason is that they are still always contenders and expect to be contenders and because of what happened the last three or four or five years or however you want to define "recently."

[tmerton]

And no one is questioning your fan attendance superiority. I might question your fan participation superiority. Fan for fan, I'll take Bethel's any day.

What that h#ll does "fan participation superiority" mean?

Thinking back to last year's game at Bethel, the Royals crowd was swelled by what looked like some sort of open house for high school kids, all clad in neat white t-shirts, most of whom seemed to be girls.  Maybe that's what you mean.  Or is it the jumping up and down? 

[DoubleO]

As a UST backer (and I would suspect BU supporters to be of the same opinion), I'll take the on the field success and extended seasons seven days a week and twice on Sunday over your attendance titles! Again, enjoy them while they last.

Oh, how quickly your forget your roots in mediocrity!  Keep gloating.  One OT win over SJU in recent years and now UST is top dog?  BU at least has had some sustained success, but UST?  Even Carleton and Augsburg have had their flashes of success.

Top Dog, no. Never claimed that. Season in most recent memory they were though, weren't they? BU has definitely had sustained success, yes. Don't ever hear BU supporters hanging their hat on their attendance numbers though.

[DoubleO]

And no one is questioning your fan attendance superiority. I might question your fan participation superiority. Fan for fan, I'll take Bethel's any day.

What that h#ll does "fan participation superiority" mean?

They wear lots of flair.

I'll stay away from the attendance debate as I think both sides have a point, but Double O, your line about the tradition being behind the attendance and not recent success...

That makes it sound like fans are coming to the game because of the 1963 title or Matt Malmberg's exploits in the early '90s or Blake Elliott's.

"Come on kids, let's go to the field where Jim Lehman played!" Just as a reminder when talking about the "recent success" of the respective schools, the Johnnies were conference champs in '05, '06, '08 and '09. I don't know, that's pretty good in recent times.

You're right, in 2010 they weren't champs, and the Tommies beat them. But if the Johnnies had won four games or six games or even seven in each of those years I mentioned, they wouldn't be getting the fans they get today, no matter how dominant that 1965 team was on defense. Yes, the tradition is a big part of it - but so is "recent success." SJU fans are spoiled and do expect big things - and if the recent times hadn't been good, they wouldn't be drawing 8,000 for Northwestern.

Have the Johnnies been as good in the playoffs as they were in the late 90s-early 2000s? No. But in every other way, they've pretty much been just as good.

And Bethel deserves all the credit in the world for winning four of the last five against SJU - could have, should have been 5 in a row - and for their playoff success. But even there, over the last 10 years, SJU is 101-20, Bethel is 79-32. Head to head, 6-4 Johnnies, total scores 227-151.

Part of the reason the Johnnies draw big is because of what happened in the '60s and '70s and '80s and '90s and 2003. But another reason is that they are still always contenders and expect to be contenders and because of what happened the last three or four or five years or however you want to define "recently."

sfury, I completely agree with all points. There is no doubt that SJU's consistent contention keeps the attendance numbers where they are and have been, but the tradition of success is very much at the foundation of the attendance. That was the point I was making.

[DuffMan]

Don't ever hear BU supporters hanging their hat on their attendance numbers though.

Because their attendance sucks

[DoubleO]

Don't ever hear BU supporters hanging their hat on their attendance numbers though.

Because their attendance sucks

Sucks in comparion to who, the almighty SJU?

[Pat Coleman]

Don't ever hear BU supporters hanging their hat on their attendance numbers though.

Because their attendance sucks

Sucks in comparion to who, the almighty SJU?

St. Thomas' attendance last year was 26th-best in Division III. Bethel's was 31st.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2011/02/sju-leads-2010-attendance

These are pretty good numbers compared to 85% of Division III, guys. Yes, SJU is tops in attendance but that doesn't mean everyone else sucks.