FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[GoldandBlueBU]

So, I played AAU (Amateur Athletic Union) basketball in HS...but we had to pay fees to play in the tournaments, and in some cases, parents had to pay for entry to watch the games.

Was that not really amateur?

[OzJohnnie]

Oz, are you up early or late?

Early.  Woke up at 3:30 thinking about work.  Hit the inter webs to tr and distract myself to get back to sleep, yet here I am at 6:04 and it's time to get ready for the day.  Shrug.

[AO]

I pay entry to my nine year old's gymnastics competitions. Is she a professional?  I pay a donation at my 12 year old's clarinet recital to cover church hall rental.  Professional?  I pay a fee per game of indoor soccer which covers insurance and refs.  Am I the same competitive status as Beckham?

NO, the same as D3 athletes who remain amateurs for not receiving payments but they are participating in sports which are not run by amateurs.  therefore I don't call them amateur sports.

[hazzben]

Amateur=fine 
Professional=Great
D3=Great

Amateur=pick up leagues, other volunteer coached and played sports
Professional=Money

Carleton=paid coaches/administrators=professional

hope this helps clear it up.

 

I now understand why you think DIII isn't amateur. I think part of it has to do with you thinking that if we call it amateur, that entails it must be amateurish. They don't quite equate. Someone can act in a professional manner without being a professional. Or, the Chiefs were amateurish on Sunday against the Bills. Not because everyone got in free, got free parking and the players and coaches refused their paychecks.  But because they stunk it up on the field and lacked sophistication. They were still paid pro athletes, they just carried themselves in a poor way. It's also entirely possible for an amateur team to carry itself in a professional manner. See my point about the definition of those words and their context?

And I think your definition of amateur is clearly different from everyone else. I'd argue that most consider that professional sports involves money being paid to the participants. There is debate in the Atlantic article about whether athletic scholarship entail this.

Case in point. My T-ball team in 1st grade was amateur. I didn't receive a dime to play (although I was one heck of a 2nd baseman/leadoff hitter!). But my coach that summer got paid by the city I grew up in and my parents had to pay to attend a T-ball tournament that also charged money for concessions. By your definition was I 'professional athlete' at the age of 6 because there was money being exchanged in some relation to the sport.

[02 Warhawk]

If it's on Wikipedia it must be true right?

All North American university sports are conducted by amateurs.

I will have to agree with this statement.

[02 Warhawk]

Amateur=fine 
Professional=Great
D3=Great

If the above was true, then:

Professional=D3

I don't think so....

[OzJohnnie]

The teach transitive logic in Wisconsin?  Retegent!  You liar!

[AO]

If it's on Wikipedia it must be true right?

All North American university sports are conducted by amateurs.

I will have to agree with this statement.

I will disagree.  D3 players are amateurs.  D1 players are professionals on 1 year contracts worth about $25k/year.  When I say D3=professional, i'm talking about the money used to run the sport, not just that it is run in a smart manner.  I'm probably being nitpicky about definitions, so at this point I'll quit.

[57Johnnie]

Definition of PROFESSIONAL

1
a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession
b : engaged in one of the learned professions
c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2) : exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace
2
a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer>
b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier>
c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>

Definition of AMATEUR

1
: devotee, admirer
2
: one who engages in a pursuit, study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession

[Pat Coleman]

I now understand why you think DIII isn't amateur. I think part of it has to do with you thinking that if we call it amateur, that entails it must be amateurish. The don't quite equate.

+1!

[hazzben]

Just read about a high school football team that scored 29 points before the opponent ever ran a single offensive play. They received to start the game, scored a TD and then proceeded to kick 4 consecutive onside kicks, recovering the first 3 and scoring each time!

Watch the video in the article to see some of the most creative onside kick formations I've ever seen.

[Robert Zimmerman]

We'll need someone to stop Concordia's running game!

http://www.sctimes.com/article/20110915/SPORTS04/109150013/College-football-SJU-freshman-Rose-will-get-an-early-start?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Umbrella|p

[bennie]

I pay a fee per game of indoor soccer which covers insurance and refs.  Am I the same competitive status as Beckham?

I'm sure you are!

[WashedUp]

Just read about a high school football team that scored 29 points before the opponent ever ran a single offensive play. They received to start the game, scored a TD and then proceeded to kick 4 consecutive onside kicks, recovering the first 3 and scoring each time!

Watch the video in the article to see some of the most creative onside kick formations I've ever seen.

Best one was at the 1:30 mark, just wait til Ramler sees it.

[hazzben]

Just read about a high school football team that scored 29 points before the opponent ever ran a single offensive play. They received to start the game, scored a TD and then proceeded to kick 4 consecutive onside kicks, recovering the first 3 and scoring each time!

Watch the video in the article to see some of the most creative onside kick formations I've ever seen.

Best one was at the 1:30 mark, just wait til Ramler sees it.

I almost put something in my original post about this guy being Ramler's long lost brother!