FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[USTBench]

I think you read a whole lot more into the rivalry than the average fan.

...the big Catholic school in the Twin Cities that gets all the major donations and hogs the attention.

Hogs all the attention?  Sorry to burst your ever-expanding Tommie head, but aside from UST or maybe MIAC alumni, I don't see the general MSP population giving a rat's arse about UST, nor any other MIAC institution.  I hardly think they are "hogging attention".

Take a look at the amount of press coverage UST (the university, not just football) gets in the Twin Cities.  The short answer is that it's a lot.  UST is the largest private university in MN by a long ways and the alumni base is huge, second only to the U of M, in the Twin Cities.  If UST develops or merges with a major medical school, as has been talked about for some time, their profile will jump even higher. 

The general population seems to have enough interest to warrant a major media provider, WCCO, seeking them out for exclusive broadcasting rights to UST athletics.  Over time this will further expand the fan base outside the Twin Cities and across the Midwest.

I'm going to take a guess and say UST is paying the "good" neighbor to broadcast their games and all that UST press is paid advertising.  Take it to the bank.

Right, so now UST is paying for press...no offense but sounds a bit delusional.  Also, why would UST have to pay for WCCO broadcasting when they have a group of official sponsors for UST athletic games, including Land O Lakes and Sun Country.

Not delusional at all, Mr. MIAC. Buying time is how most D-III schools get onto major broadcast outlets.

my crack research team at google has come up with this article.  http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/121677289.html

Terms were not disclosed, but Dienhart said St. Thomas will pay WCCO a "very reasonable" fee to carry the games. The move allows WCCO to continue broadcasting college football, which it has done since 1924. While St. Thomas doesn't have the same regional appeal as the Gophers, the school does have a "certain amount of financial robustness," Dienhart noted, with "donors deeply involved in the community." Those donors could be potential advertisers.

Can't say I'm embarrassed by this by any means. There seems to be a consensus on this website that promoting your program is bad unless it's done in this cutesy down-home SJU way. The 5 to 10 minute Gagliardi segment on some national broadcast whether it be ESPN, CBS whatever that's been done to death is great, but putting your highlights on Youtube and partnering with a 50,000 watt (or whatever it is) radio station is bad.

I for one am glad that I can sit up in Grand Forks on Saturday, watch the Sioux play Cal-Poly, wear my headphones and listen to UST v. Bethel, plan a trip on Sun Country, drink some 2% from Land-o-Lakes, consider sending my unborn children to matriculate at Hill Murray with their Catholic Benedictine values and their Brooks Bollinger, all while Michelle Tafoya reminds me that the winners play on WCCO.

[Mr.MIAC]

My crack research team at google has come up with this article.  http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/121677289.html

Terms were not disclosed, but Dienhart said St. Thomas will pay WCCO a "very reasonable" fee to carry the games. The move allows WCCO to continue broadcasting college football, which it has done since 1924. While St. Thomas doesn't have the same regional appeal as the Gophers, the school does have a "certain amount of financial robustness," Dienhart noted, with "donors deeply involved in the community." Those donors could be potential advertisers.

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I stand corrected...looks like UST is paying a modest fee to WCCO.  However, this doesn't change the fact that UST (the university, not necessarily the football team) is in the press almost daily.  They aren't paying the press to cover new programs, research, donations, building projects, awards, student achievements, etc.  I don't understand why some on this board and elsewhere refuse to acknowledge UST's success and work hard to vilify the institution.

[Retired Old Rat]

I don't think anyone expects you to be embarassed.  As far as villification, that goes with the territory.  Welcome to our world on MIAC PP.

I think the only point being made was how tiresome the continueing insinuations of institutional superiority have become.

Let's all agree:

1.  St. Thomas has more money than God.
2.  1 is true because at St. Thomas graduates are incredibly successful financially.  (I sure hope that
is true, see 6 below)
3.  St. Thomas competes nationally for students and athletes.  (Cretin and St. Thomas Academy excluded, apparently.)
4.  In 20 or 30 years this whole discussion will irrelevant when Dave Lee is broadcasting St. Thomas versus Notre Dame in the Catholic Bowl.
5.  Glen Caruso is the most charming, talented coach in all of college sports, all divisons.
6.  Excecpt for us rubes, students pick a college based on the shininess, size and quality of the buildings.  (Ignoring the fact that my daughter was housed in an unsafe dump of a house owned by St. Thomas her sophomore year because she had the audacity to start at a different school.)
7.  Johnnies are all rubes who end up working for St. Thomas graduates.
8.  It's harder to get into St. Thomas than the University of Minnesota.
9.  The first American Pope will be a St. Thomas graduate.  And she will be universally loved.


Back to football, I'm picking Bethel 10 - 6.

[Mr.MIAC]

I don't think anyone expects you to be embarassed.  As far as villification, that goes with the territory.  Welcome to our world on MIAC PP.

I think the only point being made was how tiresome the continueing insinuations of institutional superiority have become.

Let's all agree:

1.  St. Thomas has more money than God.
2.  1 is true because at St. Thomas graduates are incredibly successful financially.  (I sure hope that
is true, see 6 below)
3.  St. Thomas competes nationally for students and athletes.  (Cretin and St. Thomas Academy excluded, apparently.)
4.  In 20 or 30 years this whole discussion will irrelevant when Dave Lee is broadcasting St. Thomas versus Notre Dame in the Catholic Bowl.
5.  Glen Caruso is the most charming, talented coach in all of college sports, all divisons.
6.  Excecpt for us rubes, students pick a college based on the shininess, size and quality of the buildings.  (Ignoring the fact that my daughter was housed in an unsafe dump of a house owned by St. Thomas her sophomore year because she had the audacity to start at a different school.)
7.  Johnnies are all rubes who end up working for St. Thomas graduates.
8.  It's harder to get into St. Thomas than the University of Minnesota.
9.  The first American Pope will be a St. Thomas graduate.  And she will be universally loved.


Back to football, I'm picking Bethel 10 - 6.

Great post.  I say UST 24 - 6.

[tommiegun]

As a non-football playing student during the 0-12 streak, the UST/SJU rivalry was about one thing, and one thing only: day drunk.

[DustySJU]

I don't think anyone expects you to be embarassed.  As far as villification, that goes with the territory.  Welcome to our world on MIAC PP.

I think the only point being made was how tiresome the continueing insinuations of institutional superiority have become.

Let's all agree:

1.  St. Thomas has more money than God.
2.  1 is true because at St. Thomas graduates are incredibly successful financially.  (I sure hope that
is true, see 6 below)
3.  St. Thomas competes nationally for students and athletes.  (Cretin and St. Thomas Academy excluded, apparently.)
4.  In 20 or 30 years this whole discussion will irrelevant when Dave Lee is broadcasting St. Thomas versus Notre Dame in the Catholic Bowl.
5.  Glen Caruso is the most charming, talented coach in all of college sports, all divisons.
6.  Excecpt for us rubes, students pick a college based on the shininess, size and quality of the buildings.  (Ignoring the fact that my daughter was housed in an unsafe dump of a house owned by St. Thomas her sophomore year because she had the audacity to start at a different school.)
7.  Johnnies are all rubes who end up working for St. Thomas graduates.
8.  It's harder to get into St. Thomas than the University of Minnesota.
9.  The first American Pope will be a St. Thomas graduate.  And she will be universally loved.


Back to football, I'm picking Bethel 10 - 6.

Great post.  I say UST 24 - 6.

No need to be embarrased, BU 20 UST 17

Weird things happen at Bethel....

[BDB]

Just had my annual physical this afternoon. Must be spirit day at the clinic because all of the staff were wearing football apparel, mostly Packers. When the nurse came to check my blood pressure, lo and behold, she was wearing a UST shirt. Her cousin is the second string QB I think. McConnell? Anyway, my bp was a cool 120/80. 

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I don't think anyone expects you to be embarassed.  As far as villification, that goes with the territory.  Welcome to our world on MIAC PP.

I think the only point being made was how tiresome the continueing insinuations of institutional superiority have become.

Let's all agree:

1.  St. Thomas has more money than God.
2.  1 is true because at St. Thomas graduates are incredibly successful financially.  (I sure hope that
is true, see 6 below)
3.  St. Thomas competes nationally for students and athletes.  (Cretin and St. Thomas Academy excluded, apparently.)
4.  In 20 or 30 years this whole discussion will irrelevant when Dave Lee is broadcasting St. Thomas versus Notre Dame in the Catholic Bowl.
5.  Glen Caruso is the most charming, talented coach in all of college sports, all divisons.
6.  Excecpt for us rubes, students pick a college based on the shininess, size and quality of the buildings.  (Ignoring the fact that my daughter was housed in an unsafe dump of a house owned by St. Thomas her sophomore year because she had the audacity to start at a different school.)
7.  Johnnies are all rubes who end up working for St. Thomas graduates.
8.  It's harder to get into St. Thomas than the University of Minnesota.
9.  The first American Pope will be a St. Thomas graduate.  And she will be universally loved.

Back to football, I'm picking Bethel 10 - 6.

regarding #9-- will she be your daughter?

you forgot #10--- John Gagliardi will still be the head coach at SJU when #9 comes to pass.


UST 28-13 (athlough the game will be much closer than the score indicates)


Footnote-- this is the first time in "a while" that SJU & GAC both sport losing records when they meet in football....from the MIAC website: "Saint John's travels to face Gustavus Adolphus for a 1 p.m. kickoff this Saturday, Oct. 22, in St. Peter. The last time the Johnnies and Gusties met, and both teams had losing records, was Nov. 8, 1924. SJU entered the contest with a 1-3-1 record, while the Gusties were 0-4-1. GAC won the game 33-0 in St. Peter."

You could argue that without the rule changes about end of game, SJU is 1-4-1 now (eeire near parallel?) and the game is in St. Peter....but I dont see Gustavus winning, and certainly not 33-0. I'd say it will be SJU 27-7

finally.....having seen both teams lose to UST, I cant imagine the Oles beating Augsburg. Augs by 15.....35-20.

[USTBench]

63 - 7 ...er 31 - 21 UST beats BU.

[GoldandBlueBU]

While I would absolutely love to see bethel pull off a win on saturday, I think that UST will walk away with the victory.  The BU offense seems to be up to the task this year, but the defense doesn't seem to be the same "shut down" defense that they were last year. 

I think it will be somewhere in the 35-21 range for the Toms.

Please, prove me wrong Bethel.

IF the offense can get a large number of sustained drives resulting in scores in order to keep UST's offense off of the field, they might have a shot.

[OldAuggie]

The University of St. Thomas. Where humility goes to die.

Bethel 20 St.Thomas 13

[stanbob]

Bench, you were much more tolerable when you went into your 6 year hibernation and forgot your password.

[hazzben]

I don't think anyone expects you to be embarassed.  As far as villification, that goes with the territory.  Welcome to our world on MIAC PP.

I think the only point being made was how tiresome the continueing insinuations of institutional superiority have become.

Let's all agree:

1.  St. Thomas has more money than God.
2.  1 is true because at St. Thomas graduates are incredibly successful financially.  (I sure hope that
is true, see 6 below)
3.  St. Thomas competes nationally for students and athletes.  (Cretin and St. Thomas Academy excluded, apparently.)
4.  In 20 or 30 years this whole discussion will irrelevant when Dave Lee is broadcasting St. Thomas versus Notre Dame in the Catholic Bowl.
5.  Glen Caruso is the most charming, talented coach in all of college sports, all divisons.
6.  Excecpt for us rubes, students pick a college based on the shininess, size and quality of the buildings.  (Ignoring the fact that my daughter was housed in an unsafe dump of a house owned by St. Thomas her sophomore year because she had the audacity to start at a different school.)
7.  Johnnies are all rubes who end up working for St. Thomas graduates.
8.  It's harder to get into St. Thomas than the University of Minnesota.
9.  The first American Pope will be a St. Thomas graduate.  And she will be universally loved.


Back to football, I'm picking Bethel 10 - 6.

Great post.  I say UST 24 - 6.

No need to be embarrased, BU 20 UST 17

Weird things happen at Bethel....

Didn't The Sweet Season attribute the weirdness to all the virgins at Bethel Now if SJU was affected by virgins back in 1999, given the reputation of Tommie coeds, think how negatively it might affect UST on Saturday   

And can I just say, this board has come alive with some beautiful back and forth the last few days. It's boring to log in and see that a thread is still on the same page after 12 hours. Way more fun when I check back in after just 6 hours and I'm already 3 pages out of the loop.

BU 31 UST 28...Bethel's kicker wins the game and redeems himself fully from last years struggles on a game winning FG as time expires

In all seriousness, given how physical this game has been the last several years, I hope it remains just as nasty between the whistles, that everyone stays healthy and that both teams and fan bases walk away with even more respect for each other than they had prior to the game. Here's to another MIAC classic on Saturday!

[218Tommie]

I think this year will be another great game with UST winning 20-7. The defenses on both sides will step up, but with our run defense I think we will make BU result to throwing the ball. If we can't contain the potent rushing attack of BU then my hands are up in the air...although we will still win (just so I can rub it in to a few of the players that I interned with this summer).

[DoubleO]

I don't think anyone expects you to be embarassed.  As far as villification, that goes with the territory.  Welcome to our world on MIAC PP.

I think the only point being made was how tiresome the continueing insinuations of institutional superiority have become.

Let's all agree:

1.  St. Thomas has more money than God.
2.  1 is true because at St. Thomas graduates are incredibly successful financially.  (I sure hope that
is true, see 6 below)
3.  St. Thomas competes nationally for students and athletes.  (Cretin and St. Thomas Academy excluded, apparently.)
4.  In 20 or 30 years this whole discussion will irrelevant when Dave Lee is broadcasting St. Thomas versus Notre Dame in the Catholic Bowl.
5.  Glen Caruso is the most charming, talented coach in all of college sports, all divisons.
6.  Excecpt for us rubes, students pick a college based on the shininess, size and quality of the buildings.  (Ignoring the fact that my daughter was housed in an unsafe dump of a house owned by St. Thomas her sophomore year because she had the audacity to start at a different school.)
7.  Johnnies are all rubes who end up working for St. Thomas graduates.
8.  It's harder to get into St. Thomas than the University of Minnesota.
9.  The first American Pope will be a St. Thomas graduate.  And she will be universally loved.


Back to football, I'm picking Bethel 10 - 6.

Hilarious...well played. Is your picking Bethel 10-6 wishful thinking or is that really what you think the outcome will be? Do The Toms kick 2 field goals or does Albright miss his first PAT of the season?