FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[fisheralum91]

*golf clap*

[WashedUp]

O-Line:

6-4 310
6-5 300
6-3 265
6-3 295
6-1 275

D-Line:

6-6 325
6-3 280
6-0 260
6-5 245

Here's UST for comparison

O-Line
6-6 265
6-3 275
6-3 290
6-2 285
6-5 320

D-Line (3-4)
6-2 245
6-2 265
6-2 240

The stats for the Delaware Valley game list the defensive starters for SJF as a 3-3-5.  Is that right?

[Pat Coleman]

Check back against the team capsules:

http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2011/bracket-dval

[boobyhasgameyo]

That may be their base but I've seen where they've lined up 4.  Maybe Upstate can speak to it more, he is pretty good about those things. 

[USTBench]

O-Line:

6-4 310
6-5 300
6-3 265
6-3 295
6-1 275

D-Line:

6-6 325
6-3 280
6-0 260
6-5 245

Here's UST for comparison

O-Line
6-6 265
6-3 275
6-3 290
6-2 285
6-5 320

D-Line (3-4)
6-2 245
6-2 265
6-2 240

The stats for the Delaware Valley game list the defensive starters for SJF as a 3-3-5.  Is that right?

UST's Defense is predicated on speed, stretching the field horizontally and linebacker play. Thus, they don't really have huge bodies on the line. For all intents and purposes UST plays a 3-4, but often times their OLBs will play close to the line of scrimmage as sort of stand-up DEs for somewhat of a 5-manfront look.

It should be interesting to see how they deal with SJF's size.

Colin Tobin has had the good fortune of being behind a very solid offensive line with good size (for D3), but if SJF gets a good push and is as physical as say, a Bethel, UST will have no problem taking some shots down field to get the box loosened up for Tobin. I don't imagine Toney or Terrell-Byrd will come in too often to spell Tobin if the game is tight, but I imagine you could see Toney if Tobin is having trouble getting things going between the tackles. Terrell-Byrd runs a bit more like Tobin than Toney does, but I think style has more to do with who Caruso uses as a #2 back than anything (change of pace...slasher/north-souther). Tobin likes to live between the tackles and is a physical runner, but all of our backs used this year could be classified as "diminutive." Especially Terrell-Byrd and Toney.

Tobin isn't known for putting the ball on the ground, but he did twice on Saturday. Toney has also had a bit of fumblitis this year, so that would be my biggest source of anxiety for this up-coming weekend.

[OzJohnnie]

Also, the run defense limited Monmouth to 4 yards rushing and Scholastica to 14-- thats 28 total yards in 2 playoff games!

4+14=28 They teach you that math at UST?   

When did they start teaching math at UST?

[Pat Coleman]

Also, the run defense limited Monmouth to 4 yards rushing and Scholastica to 14-- thats 28 total yards in 2 playoff games!

4+14=28 They teach you that math at UST?   

When did they start teaching math at UST?

Fall of 2027.

[USTBench]

Also, the run defense limited Monmouth to 4 yards rushing and Scholastica to 14-- thats 28 total yards in 2 playoff games!

4+14=28 They teach you that math at UST?   

When did they start teaching math at UST?

Someone there is able to count to $52 million at least.

[AO]

Dlip (2 syllables)  I understand your attempt at being reasonable with a couple of these posters who think the acronym for St. Thomas is MUC...but really, as far as I can tell, the Tommies have no play-off accomplishments to speak of.  They had the North #1 last year and fell flat on their asses.

They have compiled their undefeated record the same way DVC and John hopkins did....by wasting mediocre at best competition.  SJF will be the best team they face to date.....

I tend to agree with the top 25 pollsters that ranked Bethel and St. Olaf equal or above St. John Fisher.  Would Fisher be favored to win at River Falls, SJU, Concordia or even St. Norbert?

What PC said....

Please note that PC didn't address whether Bethel or St. Olaf were superior to St. John Fisher.  Please tell us why your squad is better than those teams despite Fisher having less talent, size and speed.

I have been looking for the book that factually states which teams have more talent, size, and speed than others.  Thank you for finding it!  The one thing out of that mindless post you can actually accurately measure is size.  I don't know if you've ever seen Fisher but the one thing they are not is small.  So here are the lines of their team if you were wondering.

O-Line:

6-4 310
6-5 300
6-3 265
6-3 295
6-1 275

D-Line:

6-6 325
6-3 280
6-0 260
6-5 245

I've never seen a team dwarf Fisher and I've never seen a team that has physically pushed them around...ever.  That includes Mount Union.  The games in which Fisher has given up big yards on the ground in the past have come against gimmick offenses like Salisbury and Springfield that use deception to gain yards and the year that Nate Kmic of Mount Union decided he didn't like being tackled anymore.  It took a lot to bring that man down, it wasn't due to line domination.  Our offense did produce the first and I believe only 100 yard rusher against Mount Union that year however - when other teams were only averaging a little over a yard per carry against them.  Sounds familiar doesn't it?   

As I was saying, Fisher averages 289 on the o-line,  Bethel averages 305.  Fisher is certainly not small, but don't pretend that the MIAC is mediocre at best competition.  It's a shame we couldn't throw Bethel or Wheaton into the East Region to take the spot of one your weak East AQs.

[pg04]

OK And we can throw Montclair or Cortland in to take the spot of  Monmouth.

[WashedUp]

OK And we can throw Montclair or Cortland in to take the spot of  Monmouth.

I think I'd take Scholastica out before Monmouth.

[USTBench]

OK And we can throw Montclair or Cortland in to take the spot of  Monmouth.

I think I'd take Scholastica out before Monmouth.

Scholastica did score first against UST. Just saying.

[AO]

OK And we can throw Montclair or Cortland in to take the spot of  Monmouth.

Montclair and Cortland=First round exit in the West.

[cobbernation]

In all honesty, I could see UST winning by 42.  Which would signify the impressive double monkey stomp!

[boobyhasgameyo]

I'll agree that our bottom AQ teams are probably the worst in the country.  That said AO - it looks like you just want to pick a fight.  You certainly like to speak in absolutes at the very least.