FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

In all honesty, I could see UST winning by 42.  Which would signify the impressive double monkey stomp!

So, if St. Thomas wins this game and next week someone suggests the Tommies have still not proven they can beat a good team this post-season, you will be the first to agree?

BleedPurple,
Are you boys making The Perk a open and welcoming atmosphere for the winner of the tilt in St. Paul this weekend?

They have no idea what they are in for, but I won't tell   

Enter The Machine 

actually, UST is 1-0 in NCAA playoff games at UWW

yes and that game was 21 years ago and the Tommies won due to a missed extra point 24-23. 85% of the guys playing now wern't even alive when that game was played.

And 85% of the guys that were alive then crossed you and well... too bad for them, eh?

sorry,  still a little anger left from that game that I'll probably never get rid of.   Tommies Suck

Sorry Kubiack....didnt mean to bring up old bad memories...I dont remember the game in question but would not mind a rematch next week...BUT both have a challenge this weekend first.

[SJFF82]

Dlip (2 syllables)  I understand your attempt at being reasonable with a couple of these posters who think the acronym for St. Thomas is MUC...but really, as far as I can tell, the Tommies have no play-off accomplishments to speak of.  They had the North #1 last year and fell flat on their asses.

They have compiled their undefeated record the same way DVC and John hopkins did....by wasting mediocre at best competition.  SJF will be the best team they face to date.....

I tend to agree with the top 25 pollsters that ranked Bethel and St. Olaf equal or above St. John Fisher.  Would Fisher be favored to win at River Falls, SJU, Concordia or even St. Norbert?

What PC said....

Please note that PC didn't address whether Bethel or St. Olaf were superior to St. John Fisher.  Please tell us why your squad is better than those teams despite Fisher having less talent, size and speed.

I have been looking for the book that factually states which teams have more talent, size, and speed than others.  Thank you for finding it!  The one thing out of that mindless post you can actually accurately measure is size.  I don't know if you've ever seen Fisher but the one thing they are not is small.  So here are the lines of their team if you were wondering.

O-Line:

6-4 310
6-5 300
6-3 265
6-3 295
6-1 275

D-Line:

6-6 325
6-3 280
6-0 260
6-5 245

I've never seen a team dwarf Fisher and I've never seen a team that has physically pushed them around...ever.  That includes Mount Union.  The games in which Fisher has given up big yards on the ground in the past have come against gimmick offenses like Salisbury and Springfield that use deception to gain yards and the year that Nate Kmic of Mount Union decided he didn't like being tackled anymore.  It took a lot to bring that man down, it wasn't due to line domination.  Our offense did produce the first and I believe only 100 yard rusher against Mount Union that year however - when other teams were only averaging a little over a yard per carry against them.  Sounds familiar doesn't it?   

correct Booby...and our O-line jammed a 4th and one from the 1 down MUC's vaunted d-line's throat when it counted early in the 4th for a TD....

....doesnt count this week, except that SJF will bring size, strength and the ability to move people around....certainly more than some posters apparently expect.

[sjusection105]

In all honesty, I could see UST winning by 42.  Which would signify the impressive double monkey stomp!

So, if St. Thomas wins this game and next week someone suggests the Tommies have still not proven they can beat a good team this post-season, you will be the first to agree?

BleedPurple,
Are you boys making The Perk a open and welcoming atmosphere for the winner of the tilt in St. Paul this weekend?

They have no idea what they are in for, but I won't tell   

Enter The Machine 

actually, UST is 1-0 in NCAA playoff games at UWW

yes and that game was 21 years ago and the Tommies won due to a missed extra point 24-23. 85% of the guys playing now wern't even alive when that game was played.

And 85% of the guys that were alive then crossed you and well... too bad for them, eh?

sorry,  still a little anger left from that game that I'll probably never get rid of.   Tommies Suck

+K for stating the obvious 

[SJFF82]

CSS scored 2, Monmouth scored 3, I'm intrigued as to how SJF proposes to score 4 to start the game.

TD, but the point after is blocked and returned, making the score 6-2.

...making it the closest (other than 0-0) that UST ever gets in the game...

[AO]

Dlip (2 syllables)  I understand your attempt at being reasonable with a couple of these posters who think the acronym for St. Thomas is MUC...but really, as far as I can tell, the Tommies have no play-off accomplishments to speak of.  They had the North #1 last year and fell flat on their asses.

They have compiled their undefeated record the same way DVC and John hopkins did....by wasting mediocre at best competition.  SJF will be the best team they face to date.....

I tend to agree with the top 25 pollsters that ranked Bethel and St. Olaf equal or above St. John Fisher.  Would Fisher be favored to win at River Falls, SJU, Concordia or even St. Norbert?

What PC said....

Please note that PC didn't address whether Bethel or St. Olaf were superior to St. John Fisher.  Please tell us why your squad is better than those teams despite Fisher having less talent, size and speed.

1.)  Why bother...SJF is not playing those teams this week in the Final 8....oh yeah...b/c those teams didnt even make the play-offs, which is oh by the way probably the answer to your question....

2.)  If I wanted to bother answering your question, which really I already did above, do I have to start with your baseless and unfounded factual premise that the two teams you mention, who are not in the play-offs to even speak of (did I mention that yet....that they are not even in the play-offs and SJF is making its 3rd trip to the Final 8 in 6 yrs) are more talented....blah blah blah


Are we clear?

So you say that you're the best opponent UST has faced, yet aren't willing to defend this assertion when it's pointed out to you that Bethel and Olaf were both ranked higher than SJF?  You're only argument is that SJF went to the final 8 twice in past years--how about Bethel in the semi-finals twice in the last 5?

[SJFF82]

In all honesty, I could see UST winning by 42.  Which would signify the impressive double monkey stomp!

So, if St. Thomas wins this game and next week someone suggests the Tommies have still not proven they can beat a good team this post-season, you will be the first to agree?

BleedPurple,
Are you boys making The Perk a open and welcoming atmosphere for the winner of the tilt in St. Paul this weekend?

They have no idea what they are in for, but I won't tell   

Enter The Machine 

actually, UST is 1-0 in NCAA playoff games at UWW

yes and that game was 21 years ago and the Tommies won due to a missed extra point 24-23. 85% of the guys playing now wern't even alive when that game was played.

forgive him...he found "1-0" were relatively easy numbers to work with....

[SJFF82]

Dlip (2 syllables)  I understand your attempt at being reasonable with a couple of these posters who think the acronym for St. Thomas is MUC...but really, as far as I can tell, the Tommies have no play-off accomplishments to speak of.  They had the North #1 last year and fell flat on their asses.

They have compiled their undefeated record the same way DVC and John hopkins did....by wasting mediocre at best competition.  SJF will be the best team they face to date.....

I tend to agree with the top 25 pollsters that ranked Bethel and St. Olaf equal or above St. John Fisher.  Would Fisher be favored to win at River Falls, SJU, Concordia or even St. Norbert?

What PC said....

Please note that PC didn't address whether Bethel or St. Olaf were superior to St. John Fisher.  Please tell us why your squad is better than those teams despite Fisher having less talent, size and speed.

1.)  Why bother...SJF is not playing those teams this week in the Final 8....oh yeah...b/c those teams didnt even make the play-offs, which is oh by the way probably the answer to your question....

2.)  If I wanted to bother answering your question, which really I already did above, do I have to start with your baseless and unfounded factual premise that the two teams you mention, who are not in the play-offs to even speak of (did I mention that yet....that they are not even in the play-offs and SJF is making its 3rd trip to the Final 8 in 6 yrs) are more talented....blah blah blah


Are we clear?

So you say that you're the best opponent UST has faced, yet aren't willing to defend this assertion when it's pointed out to you that Bethel and Olaf were both ranked higher than SJF?  You're only argument is that SJF went to the final 8 twice in past years--how about Bethel in the semi-finals twice in the last 5?

This topic has been discussed at length for years on the East Boards....the season rankings are a week by week moving target.  In my opinion they are nothing more than a compilation of the voter's perception of  each team's relative strength in any given week.  The fact is that when a team loses it drops rank, so that necessarily means that they were not as good as the pollsters thought they were.  Conversly, when a team knocks off 'higher ranked' teams they move up which also necessarily means that they were indeed better than the pollsters thought.  In the end the rankings can only be the conclusion of what happens on the field, rather than proof of what WILL happen.

But even using your apparent argument, you are wrong...The rankings are not updated during play-offs....are you certain that SJF would not be ranked higher than Bethel and St Olaf by now making SJF the best that UST will face???

Bottom line is that you are incorrectly assuming 1.) that higher rank means a victory on the field
                                                                 2.)....and even if it did, you are incorrectly assuming that if rankings were updated, SJF would still be below Bethel and Olaf

[SJFF82]

...and based on your -800000 karma, I dont know whether to applaud you or smite you....ya see, we had a dyslexic poster a few years back named Superman, and he requested to be smited when we liked his post and applauded when we didnt...so his karma was like -800000 like yours

What is your preference 

[DoubleO]

...and based on your -800000 karma, I dont know whether to applaud you or smite you....ya see, we had a dyslexic poster a few years back named Superman, and he requested to be smited when we liked his post and applauded when we didnt...so his karma was like -800000 like yours

What is your preference 

What is said 'karma' all about? And you seriously pay attention to it?

[SJFF82]

...and based on your -800000 karma, I dont know whether to applaud you or smite you....ya see, we had a dyslexic poster a few years back named Superman, and he requested to be smited when we liked his post and applauded when we didnt...so his karma was like -800000 like yours

What is your preference 

What is said 'karma' all about? And you seriously pay attention to it?

+k...you will too when you reach 200 posts 

[tmerton]

Okay, so I'm confused.  Who actually thinks SJF will win this game?

[Pat Coleman]

Even going into the playoffs, St. John Fisher and St. Olaf had the same number of votes. If we held a ballot today, no doubt SJF would be well ahead of St. Olaf and Bethel.

[pg04]

Okay, so I'm confused.  Who actually thinks SJF will win this game?

There is no evidence to suggest that Fisher cannot win this game, in my opinion.  That could turn out to be false,  but I think they can win.  Will is different from can, however.

[raiderguy]

Dlip (2 syllables)  I understand your attempt at being reasonable with a couple of these posters who think the acronym for St. Thomas is MUC...but really, as far as I can tell, the Tommies have no play-off accomplishments to speak of.  They had the North #1 last year and fell flat on their asses.

They have compiled their undefeated record the same way DVC and John hopkins did....by wasting mediocre at best competition.  SJF will be the best team they face to date.....

I tend to agree with the top 25 pollsters that ranked Bethel and St. Olaf equal or above St. John Fisher.  Would Fisher be favored to win at River Falls, SJU, Concordia or even St. Norbert?

What PC said....

Please note that PC didn't address whether Bethel or St. Olaf were superior to St. John Fisher.  Please tell us why your squad is better than those teams despite Fisher having less talent, size and speed.

I have been looking for the book that factually states which teams have more talent, size, and speed than others.  Thank you for finding it!  The one thing out of that mindless post you can actually accurately measure is size.  I don't know if you've ever seen Fisher but the one thing they are not is small.  So here are the lines of their team if you were wondering.

O-Line:

6-4 310
6-5 300
6-3 265
6-3 295
6-1 275

D-Line:

6-6 325
6-3 280
6-0 260
6-5 245

I've never seen a team dwarf Fisher and I've never seen a team that has physically pushed them around...ever.  That includes Mount Union.  The games in which Fisher has given up big yards on the ground in the past have come against gimmick offenses like Salisbury and Springfield that use deception to gain yards and the year that Nate Kmic of Mount Union decided he didn't like being tackled anymore.  It took a lot to bring that man down, it wasn't due to line domination.  Our offense did produce the first and I believe only 100 yard rusher against Mount Union that year however - when other teams were only averaging a little over a yard per carry against them.  Sounds familiar doesn't it?   

correct Booby...and our O-line jammed a 4th and one from the 1 down MUC's vaunted d-line's throat when it counted early in the 4th for a TD....

....doesnt count this week, except that SJF will bring size, strength and the ability to move people around....certainly more than some posters apparently expect.

I just wanted to be sure .....Is that the same vaunted defense that held SJF to 77 total yards rushing, 145 yards passing, no further scores and a loss in the semi's? That defense?  Hopefully SJF defense learned a little from such a soft defensive performance.

Oh and I seem to remember Nate Kmic managed to not be tackled for around 371 rushing yards that includes no carries for a loss and three scores.

Nice to see you got moved to somewhere other than the East/North/South/West Region and avoided another trip to Alliance.
Not to jinx you but St Thomas is another one of those "PURPLE" teams.

All that being said...The Tommies still SSSSSSSUCK!

[AO]

This topic has been discussed at length for years on the East Boards....the season rankings are a week by week moving target.  In my opinion they are nothing more than a compilation of the voter's perception of  each team's relative strength in any given week.  The fact is that when a team loses it drops rank, so that necessarily means that they were not as good as the pollsters thought they were.  Conversly, when a team knocks off 'higher ranked' teams they move up which also necessarily means that they were indeed better than the pollsters thought.  In the end the rankings can only be the conclusion of what happens on the field, rather than proof of what WILL happen.

But even using your apparent argument, you are wrong...The rankings are not updated during play-offs....are you certain that SJF would not be ranked higher than Bethel and St Olaf by now making SJF the best that UST will face???

Bottom line is that you are incorrectly assuming 1.) that higher rank means a victory on the field
                                                                 2.)....and even if it did, you are incorrectly assuming that if rankings were updated, SJF would still be below Bethel and Olaf

Rankings are a little more complex than that.  LSU is predicted to go to the BCS championship even if they lose a close game to Georgia.  The people doing the rankings still will think that LSU would beat Georgia the next time.  Oklahoma State isn't going to leapfrog Alabama by winning while Alabama doesn't play, just as I don't think SJF would necessarily surpass the ranked teams such as Bethel that didn't get a bid.  A rational person can decide to think less of Johns Hopkins and Delaware Valley, without thinking that much more of St. John Fisher.  The real absence of thinking came from you who decided that St. Thomas must just be another undefeated team who didn't play anybody in the regular season.