FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Rankings are a little more complex than that.  LSU is predicted to go to the BCS championship even if they lose a close game to Georgia.  The people doing the rankings still will think that LSU would beat Georgia the next time.  Oklahoma State isn't going to leapfrog Alabama by winning while Alabama doesn't play, just as I don't think SJF would necessarily surpass the ranked teams such as Bethel that didn't get a bid. A rational person can decide to think less of Johns Hopkins and Delaware Valley, without thinking that much more of St. John Fisher.  The real absence of thinking came from you who decided that St. Thomas must just be another undefeated team who didn't play anybody in the regular season.

You may think that but you'd be very, very wrong. Check the history.

Big difference between playing one game and playing three. Your BS scenario is apples and oranges to this poll.

[OzJohnnie]

Okay, so I'm confused.  Who actually thinks SJF will win this game?

Oh, man.  I don't know whether to cheer for or against SJF.  The back and forth is creating so many targets that it's hard to figure what will result will have the best reading material.  The level of smack talk and disrespect is really making me miss Johnnie post-season football, though.  Roll on 2012.

(I've managed to become agnostic on UST(d)'s fate, which I reckon is an almost Saintly progression for me knowing that Tommies inherently suck).

[AO]

Rankings are a little more complex than that.  LSU is predicted to go to the BCS championship even if they lose a close game to Georgia.  The people doing the rankings still will think that LSU would beat Georgia the next time.  Oklahoma State isn't going to leapfrog Alabama by winning while Alabama doesn't play, just as I don't think SJF would necessarily surpass the ranked teams such as Bethel that didn't get a bid. A rational person can decide to think less of Johns Hopkins and Delaware Valley, without thinking that much more of St. John Fisher.  The real absence of thinking came from you who decided that St. Thomas must just be another undefeated team who didn't play anybody in the regular season.

You may think that but you'd be very, very wrong. Check the history.

Big difference between playing one game and playing three. Your BS scenario is apples and oranges to this poll.

I'm going to assume you mean "BCS" scenario.  Perhaps you're correct that voters wouldn't be able to restrain themselves from voting SJF ahead of Bethel, but maybe that type of vote is what you're avoiding by not conducting the poll.  Bottom line--I believe Bethel would beat SJF and most of D3 would agree that St. Thomas' schedule was not weak.

[SJFF82]

Rankings are a little more complex than that.  LSU is predicted to go to the BCS championship even if they lose a close game to Georgia.  The people doing the rankings still will think that LSU would beat Georgia the next time.  Oklahoma State isn't going to leapfrog Alabama by winning while Alabama doesn't play, just as I don't think SJF would necessarily surpass the ranked teams such as Bethel that didn't get a bid. A rational person can decide to think less of Johns Hopkins and Delaware Valley, without thinking that much more of St. John Fisher.  The real absence of thinking came from you who decided that St. Thomas must just be another undefeated team who didn't play anybody in the regular season.

You may think that but you'd be very, very wrong. Check the history.

Big difference between playing one game and playing three. Your BS scenario is apples and oranges to this poll.

I'm going to assume you mean "BCS" scenario.  Perhaps you're correct that voters wouldn't be able to restrain themselves from voting SJF ahead of Bethel, but maybe that type of vote is what you're avoiding by not conducting the poll.  Bottom line--I believe Bethel would beat SJF and most of D3 would agree that St. Thomas' schedule was not weak.

you keep changing the question or pretending I answered something I didnt.  So you now think that despite SJF beating BOTH undefeated Johns Hopkins and DVC, "rational minds" would not think better of SJF....only worse of those two teams....ha I would love to see you compile a TOP 25 poll system


After all the teams in the 11-25 range incur a loss during the season....what happens, they all drop out and no one replaces them leaving just a top 10?  Or does your logic just apply to this debate where you are looking to slam SJF.

[DoubleO]

Okay, so I'm confused.  Who actually thinks SJF will win this game?

There is no evidence to suggest that Fisher cannot win this game, in my opinion.  That could turn out to be false,  but I think they can win.  Will is different from can, however.

SJF can ABSOLUTELY win this game. There's no one out there who really believes otherwise, right?

[dlippiel]

AO you are way off base pal. Your pride and confidence in your team and/or region are admirable, but they are clouding your ability to listen to reason. Reason in which many very dedicated and smart D3 fans feel is very close to reality. Just back up for a moment. Why should St. Thomas be looked at as that much better than Del Val? Or say a JHU football team that won their conference in the south and came into the playoffs undefeated with a Gagliardi Nominee at QB. The same thoughts can be applied to them; weak conference and/or schedule right? Yet SJF beat them on the road in the first round; that W must hold some water to a rational D3 fan. To dlip, St. Thomas is a better team than Johns Hopkins because overall dlip feels they have a more impressive body of work to be undefeated. It is very rational to think that St. Thomas is not a "ton" better than these teams though and your base that the east is "weak" is just does not make all that much sense. If St.Thomas homgonizes the Cardinals this weekend than dlip will give you some do credit. However, unless you have seen all of these teams play, and have a very well balanced and supported opinion on relative strength, you are pretty much talking out of your poop shoot.

[Knightstalker]

+K to Dlip for using poop shoot in a post.

[faunch]

I've heard of Diarrhea of the Mouth but never Diarrhea of the Keyboard....maybe this will help?

[DustySJU]

Okay, so I'm confused.  Who actually thinks SJF will win this game?

Oh, man.  I don't know whether to cheer for or against SJF.  The back and forth is creating so many targets that it's hard to figure what will result will have the best reading material.  The level of smack talk and disrespect is really making me miss Johnnie post-season football, though.  Roll on 2012.

(I've managed to become agnostic on UST(d)'s fate, which I reckon is an almost Saintly progression for me knowing that Tommies inherently suck).

No question here, I'm now firmly on the UST bandwagon..

[USTBench]

AO you are way off base pal. Your pride and confidence in your team and/or region are admirable, but they are clouding your ability to listen to reason. Reason in which many very dedicated and smart D3 fans feel is very close to reality. Just back up for a moment. Why should St. Thomas be looked at as that much better than Del Val? Or say a JHU football team that won their conference in the south and came into the playoffs undefeated with a Gagliardi Nominee at QB. The same thoughts can be applied to them; weak conference and/or schedule right? Yet SJF beat them on the road in the first round; that W must hold some water to a rational D3 fan. To dlip, St. Thomas is a better team than Johns Hopkins because overall dlip feels they have a more impressive body of work to be undefeated. It is very rational to think that St. Thomas is not a "ton" better than these teams though and your base that the east is "weak" is just does not make all that much sense. If St.Thomas homgonizes the Cardinals this weekend than dlip will give you some do credit. However, unless you have seen all of these teams play, and have a very well balanced and supported opinion on relative strength, you are pretty much talking out of your poop shoot.

USTBench wants to make clear to Dlip that AO is not a Tommie fan, but a Northwestern fan from the UMAC. USTBench appreciates AO's contributions to the Pick 'Ems, but often finds his prognostications exacerbating. USTBench is looking forward to the gigantic Upstate New Yorkers coming to St. Paul for a good pigskin matchup.

[DuffMan]

My extended Thanksgiving leave-of-absence from Post Patterns has left me reeling!  I think I had to go back 15 pages.

The Tommies do suck, but I'm guessing SJF sucks more.

[USTBench]

My extended Thanksgiving leave-of-absence from Post Patterns has left me reeling!  I think I had to go back 15 pages.

The Tommies do suck, but I'm guessing SJF sucks more.

Sometimes I feel like saying, "Hey jabroni! Only Duffman, Faunch, Oz, ROR, Tmerton, DustySJU, et al get to tell me the Tommies Suck."

[Pat Coleman]

Rankings are a little more complex than that.  LSU is predicted to go to the BCS championship even if they lose a close game to Georgia.  The people doing the rankings still will think that LSU would beat Georgia the next time.  Oklahoma State isn't going to leapfrog Alabama by winning while Alabama doesn't play, just as I don't think SJF would necessarily surpass the ranked teams such as Bethel that didn't get a bid. A rational person can decide to think less of Johns Hopkins and Delaware Valley, without thinking that much more of St. John Fisher.  The real absence of thinking came from you who decided that St. Thomas must just be another undefeated team who didn't play anybody in the regular season.

You may think that but you'd be very, very wrong. Check the history.

Big difference between playing one game and playing three. Your BS scenario is apples and oranges to this poll.

I'm going to assume you mean "BCS" scenario.  Perhaps you're correct that voters wouldn't be able to restrain themselves from voting SJF ahead of Bethel, but maybe that type of vote is what you're avoiding by not conducting the poll.  Bottom line--I believe Bethel would beat SJF and most of D3 would agree that St. Thomas' schedule was not weak.

I used the appropriate term for BCS.

[Pat Coleman]

AO you are way off base pal. Your pride and confidence in your team and/or region are admirable, but they are clouding your ability to listen to reason. Reason in which many very dedicated and smart D3 fans feel is very close to reality. Just back up for a moment. Why should St. Thomas be looked at as that much better than Del Val? Or say a JHU football team that won their conference in the south and came into the playoffs undefeated with a Gagliardi Nominee at QB. The same thoughts can be applied to them; weak conference and/or schedule right? Yet SJF beat them on the road in the first round; that W must hold some water to a rational D3 fan. To dlip, St. Thomas is a better team than Johns Hopkins because overall dlip feels they have a more impressive body of work to be undefeated. It is very rational to think that St. Thomas is not a "ton" better than these teams though and your base that the east is "weak" is just does not make all that much sense. If St.Thomas homgonizes the Cardinals this weekend than dlip will give you some do credit...

Here's a hint to people from other regions -- check the logos under people's names as a first clue as to who they might root for.

[tommiegun]

Good point Pat.  We all know I'm a huge Rocky V fan.