FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[bennie]

82,
We are civil.
Unlike some others I can think of...

Look fellas, I'm just worried okay. If he was a minor in the state of Ohio he'd be removed from his home by social workers and put on a diet.

I hope you are sharing your same heartfelt concern with Ulice Payne. While at 310 lbs, he is a bit "lighter", but still a big boy... with an Exercise Science major no less.**

http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/roster/Payne_Ulice.html

Now I am going to have to find my IT guy because if the Tommie website is anything like their coeds, I have probably picked up a virus.

** My apologies to Ulice for bringing you into this!

[SJFF82]

Ok TDT has crunched the numbers and this one looks like a blowout for St. Thomas.  TDT has the Toms by 20pts.  Mail it in, it's in the bank (h/t GHC)...

How many fans from St. John Fisher are making the trip?  I know our pals from RPI and the LLPP enjoyed their trip to Collegeville in 2003...

82 has taken many a road trip to pull in a W for his Cards, but unfortunately not this one.  Went to DVC last weekend and plan to make the trip to UWW next Saterday.  SJF fans generally travel well (but I guess that depends on the definition of "well") for the play-off games.  In 2006, at Alliance, the college sent 3 school buses full of students/fans, plus about 200 parents/siblings and the like and dozens of alum made the drive.  There were prob around 600-750 fans I would guess that day.

This 'trip' is a whole different animal as it is a 17 hour drive that I doubt many will take.  So that leaves prob just the parents and some misc. individuals going.  My guess is you might see 200?

What is the Tommies avg attendance?

SJF 24
Tommies 20

As I predicted last week against DVC...no big turnovers or specs meltdowns and we win by 2 TDs.

At worst it is a hard-fought close loss maybe by the same score predicted above.

OK, I've tried to not talk much about my opinion of how the game is going to go so far.  But am I missing something?  24 points?  SJF scored 23 and 27 against inferior defenses.  I think SJF can win (but won't), but I honestly don't think they'll be cracking 20.  IF SJF wins it will be because they completely shut down UST's offense and win a slugfest of, maybe, 10-7 or something like that, ala Bethel.  I would be more than a little shocked if St. Thomas scores 20 and loses.

OK Tommie, we were supposed to be like dis, like home team

...you are prob. correct. as I look back over both team's seasons.  SJF can and usually scores 30+, however, this year we won some uncharacteristically low scoring games.  82 does feel a defensive/specs TD coming on this Sat though or maybe that will be an OT score and will stick by my prediction.

alt prediction: SJF 17
                    UST 16

[USTBench]

82,
We are civil.
Unlike some others I can think of...

Look fellas, I'm just worried okay. If he was a minor in the state of Ohio he'd be removed from his home by social workers and put on a diet.

I hope you are sharing your same heartfelt concern with Ulice Payne. While at 310 lbs, he is a bit "lighter", but still a big boy... with an Exercise Science major no less.**

http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/roster/Payne_Ulice.html

Now I am going to have to find my IT guy because if the Tommie website is anything like their coeds, I have probably picked up a virus.

** My apologies to Ulice for bringing you into this!

All muscle, I'm sure. His dad was a Marquette hooper, he's nothing but athlete.

[sjusection105]

82,
We are civil.
Unlike some others I can think of...

Look fellas, I'm just worried okay. If he was a minor in the state of Ohio he'd be removed from his home by social workers and put on a diet.

I hope you are sharing your same heartfelt concern with Ulice Payne. While at 310 lbs, he is a bit "lighter", but still a big boy... with an Exercise Science major no less.**

http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/roster/Payne_Ulice.html

Now I am going to have to find my IT guy because if the Tommie website is anything like their coeds, I have probably picked up a virus.
** My apologies to Ulice for bringing you into this!

This has to be a strong contender for "Post Of The Year"
+K Bennie 

[Mr.MIAC]

82,
We are civil.
Unlike some others I can think of...

Look fellas, I'm just worried okay. If he was a minor in the state of Ohio he'd be removed from his home by social workers and put on a diet.

I hope you are sharing your same heartfelt concern with Ulice Payne. While at 310 lbs, he is a bit "lighter", but still a big boy... with an Exercise Science major no less.**

http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/roster/Payne_Ulice.html

Now I am going to have to find my IT guy because if the Tommie website is anything like their coeds, I have probably picked up a virus.
** My apologies to Ulice for bringing you into this!

This has to be a strong contender for "Post Of The Year"
+K Bennie 

Yeah, reminds me of that Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) outbreak that plagued the CSB campus a few years back...

[hazzben]

Just submitted my Gagliardi Award ballot.

Here's a suggestion. I'd love to see GPA's included in their profiles. This is an award for the best all around DIII student athlete. We list their football stats. We list the details of their volunteer work. Academically all we get is their major. When I'm looking at voting between really deserving candidates I think a little detail on their academic resume is appropriate.

For example. This year I'm comparing some very strong candidates. But some are Phys Ed or Health/wellness/recreation majors while others are Economics, Engineering and Finance. No knock on the former grouping, but the latter are just vastly more difficult areas of study. If a guy has a 3.9 gpa as a Phys Ed major, no problem getting my vote. But if two candidates are equal and one is an Econ major with a 3.9 and one is Phys Ed with a 3.6, that's a pretty significant difference.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the gpa's are of these players, but that's my whole point. I'd like to see that so I can make a more educated vote. Just sayin'

[Retired Old Rat]

Bennie, another classic.  (Even though I have a female offspring graduate of U$T, that one is just too good.  Please don't anyone tell her I said that.)

A battle of wits between Bennie and Mr. Wonderful is like taking on a one legged man in an a$$ kicking contest.

[Retired Old Rat]

Interesting idea Hazzben.  Unless there is a counter argument that I have not thought of, I have to agree.

[WashedUp]

Interesting idea Hazzben.  Unless there is a counter argument that I have not thought of, I have to agree.

The only one I can think of is tha it's difficult to compare GPAs across schools when they have different academic standards.  But, you can make the same argument for stats and it's a better measure than anything else you could put in there.

[AO]

Just submitted my Gagliardi Award ballot.

Here's a suggestion. I'd love to see GPA's included in their profiles. This is an award for the best all around DIII student athlete. We list their football stats. We list the details of their volunteer work. Academically all we get is their major. When I'm looking at voting between really deserving candidates I think a little detail on their academic resume is appropriate.

For example. This year I'm comparing some very strong candidates. But some are Phys Ed or Health/wellness/recreation majors while others are Economics, Engineering and Finance. No knock on the former grouping, but the latter are just vastly more difficult areas of study. If a guy has a 3.9 gpa as a Phys Ed major, no problem getting my vote. But if two candidates are equal and one is an Econ major with a 3.9 and one is Phys Ed with a 3.6, that's a pretty significant difference.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the gpa's are of these players, but that's my whole point. I'd like to see that so I can make a more educated vote. Just sayin'

Would it be so bad to create a d3 heisman?  Why should ESPN carry the selection show or air the game on a Saturday if D3ers thinks the actual sport is of little importance?  How bad can Coppage's grades be?

[Johnnie]

Good Luck to both SJF and UST this weekend.

Indeed, good luck to both--but in the end just slightly more good luck to SJF.

I've always been partial to anything with the name "St. John" prevailing over anything with the name "St. Thomas."   But, I'm also conflicted because of my MIAC allegiance.  Then again, I had the same dilemma when my wife ran off with my best friend. 

[Retired Old Rat]

Just submitted my Gagliardi Award ballot.

Here's a suggestion. I'd love to see GPA's included in their profiles. This is an award for the best all around DIII student athlete. We list their football stats. We list the details of their volunteer work. Academically all we get is their major. When I'm looking at voting between really deserving candidates I think a little detail on their academic resume is appropriate.

For example. This year I'm comparing some very strong candidates. But some are Phys Ed or Health/wellness/recreation majors while others are Economics, Engineering and Finance. No knock on the former grouping, but the latter are just vastly more difficult areas of study. If a guy has a 3.9 gpa as a Phys Ed major, no problem getting my vote. But if two candidates are equal and one is an Econ major with a 3.9 and one is Phys Ed with a 3.6, that's a pretty significant difference.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the gpa's are of these players, but that's my whole point. I'd like to see that so I can make a more educated vote. Just sayin'

Would it be so bad to create a d3 heisman?  Why should ESPN carry the selection show or air the game on a Saturday if D3ers thinks the actual sport is of little importance?  How bad can Coppage's grades be?

AO, you're missing the point.  The D1 Heisman is ALL about football.  This award is about football, academics and service.  Not in 1million years would I expect ESPN, or any other "major" network to carry this.  It would be great if d3football could live stream the awards ceremony.

Washedup, better than flying blind.  A 2.0 GPA at any school=bad. A 4.0 at almost any school, most likely=good.  Just another metric to consider in the multiple factors that enter into a particular student/athlete's qualifications.

[SagatagSam]

Interesting idea Hazzben.  Unless there is a counter argument that I have not thought of, I have to agree.

The only one I can think of is tha it's difficult to compare GPAs across schools when they have different academic standards.  But, you can make the same argument for stats and it's a better measure than anything else you could put in there.

More information is not a bad thing. I think GPA could be something great.
I thought I remember having this discussion in my SJU Athletic Media Relations days and there was some legal obstacle that prevented GPA from being part of the criteria for the Gagliardi Trophy.

[WashedUp]

Interesting idea Hazzben.  Unless there is a counter argument that I have not thought of, I have to agree.

The only one I can think of is tha it's difficult to compare GPAs across schools when they have different academic standards.  But, you can make the same argument for stats and it's a better measure than anything else you could put in there.

More information is not a bad thing. I think GPA could be something great.
I thought I remember having this discussion in my SJU Athletic Media Relations days and there was some legal obstacle that prevented GPA from being part of the criteria for the Gagliardi Trophy.

I'm not sure I buy that, if you watch the SEC broadcasts they always have a scholar athlete of the game and show GPA (not sure how a 3.32 in Leisure Studies at Alabama makes you a scholar).

[AO]

Just submitted my Gagliardi Award ballot.

Here's a suggestion. I'd love to see GPA's included in their profiles. This is an award for the best all around DIII student athlete. We list their football stats. We list the details of their volunteer work. Academically all we get is their major. When I'm looking at voting between really deserving candidates I think a little detail on their academic resume is appropriate.

For example. This year I'm comparing some very strong candidates. But some are Phys Ed or Health/wellness/recreation majors while others are Economics, Engineering and Finance. No knock on the former grouping, but the latter are just vastly more difficult areas of study. If a guy has a 3.9 gpa as a Phys Ed major, no problem getting my vote. But if two candidates are equal and one is an Econ major with a 3.9 and one is Phys Ed with a 3.6, that's a pretty significant difference.

I'm not saying I have any idea what the gpa's are of these players, but that's my whole point. I'd like to see that so I can make a more educated vote. Just sayin'

Would it be so bad to create a d3 heisman?  Why should ESPN carry the selection show or air the game on a Saturday if D3ers thinks the actual sport is of little importance?  How bad can Coppage's grades be?

AO, you're missing the point.  The D1 Heisman is ALL about football.  This award is about football, academics and service.  Not in 1million years would I expect ESPN, or any other "major" network to carry this.  It would be great if d3football could live stream the awards ceremony.

Washedup, better than flying blind.  A 2.0 GPA at any school=bad. A 4.0 at almost any school, most likely=good.  Just another metric to consider in the multiple factors that enter into a particular student/athlete's qualifications.

I'm not talking about the Gagliardia Selection Show--I'm talking about the playoff selection show that used to be on ESPN.  D3 athletes deserve a little more recognition nationwide, and I don't think the gagliardi trophy helps in that regard.  For many it only confirms their feelings about d3 football as being glorified intramurals or equal to texas high school football.