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Retired Old Rat

Statement of the Penn State University Faculty Senate Regarding the NCAA Consent Decree and the Sanctions Declared by the Big 10 Council:

http://lcbpsusenate.blogspot.com/2012/07/statement-of-penn-state-university_144.html
   
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faunch

Changing the subject a little bit....What are the most significant sanctions ever leveled against a D3 program?  I recall SJU being "punished" for having an extra spring practice or something a few years ago. 


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02 Warhawk

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Quote from: faunch on July 24, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Changing the subject a little bit....What are the most significant sanctions ever leveled against a D3 program?  I recall SJU being "punished" for having an extra spring practice or something a few years ago.

UW-La Crosse recently received a slap on the wrist from the NCAA for how it handled its financial aid in relation to student/athletes. Nothing major though.

Didn't a DIII coach get fired in the past couple of years for recruiting and/or practice violations??? I remember reading something like that on D3football.com's front page.

Knightstalker

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 24, 2012, 09:28:52 AM
Quote from: faunch on July 24, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Changing the subject a little bit....What are the most significant sanctions ever leveled against a D3 program?  I recall SJU being "punished" for having an extra spring practice or something a few years ago.

UW-La Crosse recently received a slap on the wrist from the NCAA for how it handled its financial aid in relation to student/athletes. Nothing major though.

Didn't a DIII coach get fired in the past couple of years for recruiting and/or practice violations??? I remember reading something like that on D3football.com's front page.

That was probably the womens basketball coach at Kean.  Go to D3hoops and the story is probably still there.

"In the end we will survive rather than perish not because we accumulate comfort and luxury but because we accumulate wisdom"  Colonel Jack Jacobs US Army (Ret).

02 Warhawk

Quote from: Knightstalker on July 24, 2012, 09:35:56 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on July 24, 2012, 09:28:52 AM
Quote from: faunch on July 24, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Changing the subject a little bit....What are the most significant sanctions ever leveled against a D3 program?  I recall SJU being "punished" for having an extra spring practice or something a few years ago.

UW-La Crosse recently received a slap on the wrist from the NCAA for how it handled its financial aid in relation to student/athletes. Nothing major though.

Didn't a DIII coach get fired in the past couple of years for recruiting and/or practice violations??? I remember reading something like that on D3football.com's front page.

That was probably the womens basketball coach at Kean.  Go to D3hoops and the story is probably still there.

Found it. This is what I was referring to:

Occidental coach fired

BDB

Quote from: bennie on July 23, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Sanctions can't "unring the bell". They can't make things how they would have been. All they can do is (hopefully) make schools handle things differently in the future. It could be that they hide things better or that they take appropriate actions sooner... This whole situation is so sad! What Sandusky did, what PSU didn't do and what the NCAA has now done... To different degrees, lots of victims!

Classic bennie clarity. Well said, girl.

Sandusky went from Penn State to the State Penn. Now it's his turn to lean against the wall.  :P

Knightstalker

Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on July 24, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: bennie on July 23, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Sanctions can't "unring the bell". They can't make things how they would have been. All they can do is (hopefully) make schools handle things differently in the future. It could be that they hide things better or that they take appropriate actions sooner... This whole situation is so sad! What Sandusky did, what PSU didn't do and what the NCAA has now done... To different degrees, lots of victims!

Classic bennie clarity. Well said, girl.

Sandusky went from Penn State to the State Penn. Now it's his turn to lean against the wall.  :P

If only that would happen, unfortunately he will be sent to a sex offenders prison or but in an isolated cell block with other sex offenders.  They keep child molesters out of the general population because the other prisoners would beat, rape and possibly kill sex offenders.  They don't mind beating, raping and killing of adults but will draw the line at children, there is some honor among thieves sometimes.

"In the end we will survive rather than perish not because we accumulate comfort and luxury but because we accumulate wisdom"  Colonel Jack Jacobs US Army (Ret).

OzJohnnie

Quote from: Knightstalker on July 24, 2012, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: BlueDevil Bob on July 24, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Quote from: bennie on July 23, 2012, 06:15:21 PM
Sanctions can't "unring the bell". They can't make things how they would have been. All they can do is (hopefully) make schools handle things differently in the future. It could be that they hide things better or that they take appropriate actions sooner... This whole situation is so sad! What Sandusky did, what PSU didn't do and what the NCAA has now done... To different degrees, lots of victims!

Classic bennie clarity. Well said, girl.

Sandusky went from Penn State to the State Penn. Now it's his turn to lean against the wall.  :P

If only that would happen, unfortunately he will be sent to a sex offenders prison or but in an isolated cell block with other sex offenders.  They keep child molesters out of the general population because the other prisoners would beat, rape and possibly kill sex offenders.  They don't mind beating, raping and killing of adults but will draw the line at children, there is some honor among thieves sometimes.

The idea that criminals won't tolerate the child offender makes me wonder if they are actually just responding to soft targets.  Both in victim and from society.  A murderer of adults is more likely to be a manly man than a child molester - easier target.  And we're more than happy to accept a little prison justice for the pedophile - a perverse incentive for thugs to live their thugishness with reward rather than consequence.

Anyway, ping my karma for being so far off topic and back to our regularly scheduled entertainment.

  

Retired Old Rat

I'll apologize in advance for going so far off target and take the karma hits as well.

I really wish they could put Sandusky in the general population with a guarantee from the inmates that they will not kill him or injure him such that he would need to be hospitalized.  Other than that, no limits.
   
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Knightstalker

Quote from: Retired Old Rat on July 24, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
I'll apologize in advance for going so far off target and take the karma hits as well.

I really wish they could put Sandusky in the general population with a guarantee from the inmates that they will not kill him or injure him such that he would need to be hospitalized.  Other than that, no limits.

Someone close to me was abused as a teenager by a cousin.  At the trial when he finally agreed to the plea bargain deal the detective from the prosecutors office looked at me, put her hand on my arm and said, don't do anything it isn't worth it, the POS gets more protection than his victim does.  Then she said, I wish I could leave you alone for him for 5 minutes in a locked room with no cameras or audio recorders.

Sandusky should be put in a locked room with the parents and or siblings of his victims for five of ten minutes.  I really don't think the residents would have to pay to keep him in prison for life after that.

"In the end we will survive rather than perish not because we accumulate comfort and luxury but because we accumulate wisdom"  Colonel Jack Jacobs US Army (Ret).

Retired Old Rat

Quote from: Knightstalker on July 24, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on July 24, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
I'll apologize in advance for going so far off target and take the karma hits as well.

I really wish they could put Sandusky in the general population with a guarantee from the inmates that they will not kill him or injure him such that he would need to be hospitalized.  Other than that, no limits.

Someone close to me was abused as a teenager by a cousin.  At the trial when he finally agreed to the plea bargain deal the detective from the prosecutors office looked at me, put her hand on my arm and said, don't do anything it isn't worth it, the POS gets more protection than his victim does.  Then she said, I wish I could leave you alone for him for 5 minutes in a locked room with no cameras or audio recorders.

Sandusky should be put in a locked room with the parents and or siblings of his victims for five of ten minutes.  I really don't think the residents would have to pay to keep him in prison for life after that.

That would let him off the hook too easily.  That is why I want the agreement to keep him in the general population as long and as much as possible.  No rest for the wicked, if you get my drift.
   
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Knightstalker

Quote from: Retired Old Rat on July 24, 2012, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: Knightstalker on July 24, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on July 24, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
I'll apologize in advance for going so far off target and take the karma hits as well.

I really wish they could put Sandusky in the general population with a guarantee from the inmates that they will not kill him or injure him such that he would need to be hospitalized.  Other than that, no limits.

Someone close to me was abused as a teenager by a cousin.  At the trial when he finally agreed to the plea bargain deal the detective from the prosecutors office looked at me, put her hand on my arm and said, don't do anything it isn't worth it, the POS gets more protection than his victim does.  Then she said, I wish I could leave you alone for him for 5 minutes in a locked room with no cameras or audio recorders.

Sandusky should be put in a locked room with the parents and or siblings of his victims for five of ten minutes.  I really don't think the residents would have to pay to keep him in prison for life after that.

That would let him off the hook too easily.  That is why I want the agreement to keep him in the general population as long and as much as possible.  No rest for the wicked, if you get my drift.

I am looking at if from the victims families viewpoint, three women in my family were abused, I would have loved to be able to put the boots to their abusers instead of having to work through the anger and learn how to deal with it.  I completely understand your point, mine is just coming from a different perspective.  How about this, the families get to beat him to within an inch of his life, he gets patched up and then put in the general population.

"In the end we will survive rather than perish not because we accumulate comfort and luxury but because we accumulate wisdom"  Colonel Jack Jacobs US Army (Ret).

faunch



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Quote from: faunch on July 24, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
I recall SJU being "punished" for having an extra spring practice or something a few years ago.

That was my freshman year.  1999.  We were punished for starting fall practice a day or two early.  Mind you, we didn't practice too many times, we just had too many "practice opportunities" (a Saturday counts as two opportunities, although we only practiced once).

The punishment, as I remember it, was that we were not allowed coaches at Monday video sessions and had to practice without pads and helmets on Fridays.

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