FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[desertcat1]

How does anyone actually figure out WTF he is saying to begin with?

Oh follow along pg04
1. DesertCat1 (Linfield poster) feels disrespected by Double 0 (St. Thomas poster) 
2. DesertCat1 notes (and with good reason  ) that St. John's posters are a classy bunch & UST should try to emulate SJU
3.UST & SJU are bitter rivals and this admiration of SJU by a Lindfield poster does not set well with the UST crowd
4.UST Bench (a UST poster) states that UST fans were not treated well a couple years back in McMinville OR. a.k.a.-CatDome
5.DesertCat1 disagrees with UST Bench (adding my own personal twist- I've been to McMinville & was treated well by the fan base)

Now you are all caught up.

I have met DesertCat1 in 2003 at SJU & he is a class act. I also have gotten to know UST Bench over the past decade (being conference rivals) and he is one heck of a nice guy (he also out punted his coverage ]by convincing Mrs. UST Bench to be his bride ). All in all the MIAC board has pretty good folks, some like to talk smack & others who are not accustom to this may not know they are being a bit sarcastic.

C

USTbench,,  sorry   what i heard was PUNTer..   Must have been a sore subject with all the blocked kicks this last sat?

It's just a board..   

You boys will have your hands full with the Titans.. if you can't stop their gound game it will be a long day?

[DoubleO]

UWO is weak.  I suggest looking at film of UMU.

Thanks for the tip. Historically the WIAC has been a pretty weak conference.

What have you been smoking this morning ?
like yea ,, only something like seven trips to the big dance .. And the walnut and bronze too.  How many trips for your toms?( i think thats a goose egg too)   Check with the  Johnnies they have some too. (championships )

Go Titans..

I would say sarcasm doesn't translate over the internet well, but I think if you posted regularly on our board you'd know I was being facetious just now.

Secondly, I was not a kicker (although our entire team entertained ourselves before Friday walk-throughs with some pretty horrible FG competitions). Sat in meetings with both the RBs and the WRs throughout the early 2000s, with a very voluminous George Wemeier playbook, watching tape and taking notes, practicing and playing (albeit quite sparingly, hence the "Bench" moniker). Wouldn't say I'm an elite offensive mind, but I certainly learned a lot from some guys who were.

So, that said, I think I could glean a few things from a conventional wide angle view of an offense. Maybe even a few things about a team's defense.

Understatement of the year. That thing was ridonkulous!

[USTBench]

UWO is weak.  I suggest looking at film of UMU.

Thanks for the tip. Historically the WIAC has been a pretty weak conference.

What have you been smoking this morning ?
like yea ,, only something like seven trips to the big dance .. And the walnut and bronze too.  How many trips for your toms?( i think thats a goose egg too)   Check with the  Johnnies they have some too. (championships )

Go Titans..

I would say sarcasm doesn't translate over the internet well, but I think if you posted regularly on our board you'd know I was being facetious just now.

Secondly, I was not a kicker (although our entire team entertained ourselves before Friday walk-throughs with some pretty horrible FG competitions). Sat in meetings with both the RBs and the WRs throughout the early 2000s, with a very voluminous George Wemeier playbook, watching tape and taking notes, practicing and playing (albeit quite sparingly, hence the "Bench" moniker). Wouldn't say I'm an elite offensive mind, but I certainly learned a lot from some guys who were.

So, that said, I think I could glean a few things from a conventional wide angle view of an offense. Maybe even a few things about a team's defense.

Understatement of the year. That thing was ridonkulous!

Who knew you could get 400 pages worth of plays out of the I-Formation? I yawn just thinking about it.

DesertCat: UST's defense is designed to stop the run but some teams have had a little success this year. UW-Eau Claire at the first part of the year had an absolute monster of a RB that slugged his way to a 100 yard day. And of course, the best RB in D3 this year, Scottie Williams from Elmhurst, was problematic.

One thing about the WIAC is that they're always big, and they're always physical. I think ball-control will be huge this game, and TOP will be a determining factor in deciding who wins. I suspect it will be a very low scoring game, compared to what UST is used to.

[desertcat1]

hey Tommy bench, 

your not the only one who's seen a play book boy.? ..   the angle is in the dangle.

that's the nice thing about a board , you have no idea who has or has not?

Go Titans

[desertcat1]

Hey bench, 
the titans can be stopped i think the cats did that as good as anyone has all year?   good luck.. but they can throw the ball too.

[desertcat1]

the titans  proved their is "more than one way to skin a cat"..

[PurpleReign]

Hey bench, 
the titans can be stopped i think the cats did that as good as anyone has all year?   good luck.. but they can throw the ball too.

To bad your cats coughed up their fir ball to end the game.  Meow

[ron doney]

Ugh, I thought that joker had moved on to non-sports pursuits.

I wish I could be happy for Gagliardi here, but this is the same guy who says stuff like Mount Union schedules six home games to gain an unfair advantage without checking to see if they had six away games the year before. As if it even matters where Mount Union plays against 95% of D-III.

Bench, I think K-Mack's dig here is at the TMQ guy, not Gagliardi.

Very much so. Never had a problem with John, he treated me well before I even pronounced his name or Hamline or Gustavus right.

Re: St. Thomas, am I overstating how much they lost off last year's team (Waldvogel, Danna, Tobin, Tracy) or is Caruso building a baby dynasty? I defer to Pat on most matters St. Thomas because he sees them play so often living close by, but when a team reloads (and I know they had some defensive studs return), it's usually the sign of a foundation/system/pipeline that's due to how the program is built.

This side of Berez/Leipold, there's been no greater/faster rise to consistent contender over the past several years than St. Thomas.

Curious what others think......but IMHO:

Waldvogel was the only loss that could not be overstated.  He was UST's Blake Elliot, the once in a decade player.  And like SJU did with Elliot, Caruso built an offensive system that revolved around Waldvogel.  Tracy and Tobin were a product of that system - good players with all the tools, made into great players by the system and Waldvogel.

Case in point:  UWW took Waldvogel out of last years semi final game....and Tracy failed to take over.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I hear the common consensus has been Tracy had no one else to throw to.  Fair to some degree, but I think an equal factor is that he didn't know how/have experience throwing to others.  Even if he had a secondary receiver open in the middle of the field, I'm not sure he had the ability to find him (haven't rewatched the film though).  He struggled finding receivers at the second level across the middle, check downs and hot reads off blitzes.  Alright maybe he could to some degree, but not at the level needed to carry the club without Waldvogel against a top tier team.  He could hit the bubble screens, the sideline hooks and the go routes with the best of them.  I put as much of the loss on his shoulders as I do the lack of a second WR next to Waldvogel........which is why I don't think he was a great loss.  In addition, remember how Tracy got the starting job in the first place?......see next post.

[Pat Coleman]

Hey Pat:

It was a little hard to hear the Podcast this morning..... Would you be able to post a transcript of it for everyone?

We're aware, as you know if you heard the disclaimer or read the blog post accompanying it, but transcribing 57 minutes of audio is not something we have time to do. (Or something you likely have time to read!) Sorry.

Yep - I read the disclaimer - I also listened to you give it on the podcast - did not think it would be that bad tho- More so hoping it could have been done - I suppose the request was a bit much to ask! Thanks anyway -

Yeah, unfortunately. Sorry it wasn't better. Unfortunately, Keith and I work completely opposite schedules and midnight Sunday is the only time we have to do it. To start basically from scratch at 1:30 a.m. wasn't feasible. 

Could you run it through a program like Audacity (free) and bump up the volume?

Volume was not the issue. (In fact, Audacity was the problem. Never had a problem with our old software but it's been retired and there is no Win7 version.)

[desertcat1]

Hey bench, 
the titans can be stopped i think the cats did that as good as anyone has all year?   good luck.. but they can throw the ball too.

To bad your cats coughed up their fir ball to end the game.  Meow

Yes it was, but, it's not the first time and we will be back again. Here kitty kitty..reloading as we speak..

[USTBench]

Ugh, I thought that joker had moved on to non-sports pursuits.

I wish I could be happy for Gagliardi here, but this is the same guy who says stuff like Mount Union schedules six home games to gain an unfair advantage without checking to see if they had six away games the year before. As if it even matters where Mount Union plays against 95% of D-III.

Bench, I think K-Mack's dig here is at the TMQ guy, not Gagliardi.

Very much so. Never had a problem with John, he treated me well before I even pronounced his name or Hamline or Gustavus right.

Re: St. Thomas, am I overstating how much they lost off last year's team (Waldvogel, Danna, Tobin, Tracy) or is Caruso building a baby dynasty? I defer to Pat on most matters St. Thomas because he sees them play so often living close by, but when a team reloads (and I know they had some defensive studs return), it's usually the sign of a foundation/system/pipeline that's due to how the program is built.

This side of Berez/Leipold, there's been no greater/faster rise to consistent contender over the past several years than St. Thomas.

Curious what others think......but IMHO:

Waldvogel was the only loss that could not be overstated.  He was UST's Blake Elliot, the once in a decade player.  And like SJU did with Elliot, Caruso built an offensive system that revolved around Waldvogel.  Tracy and Tobin were a product of that system - good players with all the tools, made into great players by the system and Waldvogel.

Case in point:  UWW took Waldvogel out of last years semi final game....and Tracy failed to take over.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I hear the common consensus has been Tracy had no one else to throw to.  Fair to some degree, but I think an equal factor is that he didn't know how/have experience throwing to others.  Even if he had a secondary receiver open in the middle of the field, I'm not sure he had the ability to find him (haven't rewatched the film though).  He struggled finding receivers at the second level across the middle, check downs and hot reads off blitzes.  Alright maybe he could to some degree, but not at the level needed to carry the club without Waldvogel against a top tier team.  He could hit the bubble screens, the sideline hooks and the go routes with the best of them.  I put as much of the loss on his shoulders as I do the lack of a second WR next to Waldvogel........which is why I don't think he was a great loss.  In addition, remember how Tracy got the starting job in the first place?......see next post.

I don't think it was a case of Tracy "didn't have anyone else to throw to." I think it was more of a case of being so used to the Tracy-Waldvogel connection working, he (and quite possibly the coaching staff) had trouble believing that anyone else on the team was capable of a high enough level of play, that they could beat the UWW, Linfield, Bethel, et al without a steady dose of Waldvogel. If you look at the boxscores for the playoffs in 2011, it's kind of shocking how little of a factor any other wide receiver or TE from a tangible offensive production stand point (stats, not the equally as viable and oft overlooked blocking category).

1 catch for Logan Marks here, or 1 catch for Ricky Margarit there does not a balanced offensive attack make. I think it's the old, "well, if you take the best guy out of the equation via graduation, maybe the QB isn't craning his neck to find him all of the time, and instead just goes through his progressions, makes his reads and now you have balance" argument. I think that from a superstar athlete standpoint, there's nobody UST has EVER had that is in Waldvogel's category. Yeah, PJ was a nice receiver, and Barkley, Wartman and Tobin were great RBs, but from a complete player standpoint, UST has never had anyone as good as Waldvogel.

When you have a superstar I think teams can fall into a trap offensively though. The natural inclination is that you need to force the ball to the player instead of allowing the game to come to him. It has to happen organically in some cases, especially when you play a UW-Whitewater who has the talent to take away your best option. The point is, you have to give your 2nd, 3rd and 4th options some run every now and then, and I think that is the difference between this year's "TEAM" and last year's "Team."

With freshmen, 4th and 5th stringers stepping in, 3 different QBs at times, WRs I've never heard of until Dave Lee says their name scoring TDs, TEs CONSTANTLY open, 18 different guys finding the endzone, a D that's deep, rotates players in at several key positions and has consistently shut down the run, I'd say from a "TEAM" standpoint, the 2012 version is more impressive than the 2011 version.

I say that because last year UWW could say "Okay, no big plays to Waldvogel and let's see if Tobin and Tracy can beat us." This year, I think UW-O will have to think a lot harder about how to stop this squad on offense.

[Retired Old Rat]

I agree with Bench.  No Waldvogel elite level player, but lots of well above average weapons.  And, I think O'Connell might be a better QB than Tracy after all the games under his belt this year.  Or, maybe the offensive line is better.  In any case, more dangerous due to greater balance.  You just don't know who is going to make the play.

[USTBench]

I agree with Bench.  No Waldvogel elite level player, but lots of well above average weapons.  And, I think O'Connell might be a better QB than Tracy after all the games under his belt this year.  Or, maybe the offensive line is better.  In any case, more dangerous due to greater balance.  You just don't know who is going to make the play.

I think at some point O'Connell will be better than Tracy, (throws a nicer ball, greater pocket presence) but if I had to win a game right now, (If Tracy was rust free) I'd take Dakota Tracy; for one reason: Dakota Tracy did not turn the ball over. Call him undersized, say he had to be outside of the pocket to be at his best, but was phenomenal at making sure the football stayed with UST until we scored or punted.

That said, I like how O'Connell will take a chance where Tracy wouldn't necessarily. Leads to some really exciting plays.

[wartknight]

Bob Pagel has officially been named head coach at Carleton.  Coach Pagel was my position coach at Carleton for two years and I think this is an awesome hire for the school.  He knows the game, knows D3 and genuinely cares about the players, very excited to see how he does over the next couple years.

https://apps.carleton.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/football/?story_id=917027

He got a great start in his coaching career under a pretty good head coach while @ Wartburg & then UMD. I met him a couple of times through his brother who lived on my floor & was also a teammate @ the Wart, seemed to be a classy guy.

[skunks_sidekick]

Seeing as how Waldvogel is now one of the characters in Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp books, I don't think there is anyone that has THAT kind of star power.