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[faunch]

If the transfer financial award or any other aid is given in greater proportion to athletes than non-athletes (within 4%)  then it will trigger action from the NCAA. They are definitely catching schools who have financial aid departments that are unaware.

Since I've not kept my nose in this topic, are there any schools that have been investigated and disciplined for violations of this type? What's the NCAA doing by way of enforcement? Thanks!

Here's one for you.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2012/June/University+of+New+England+commits+financial+aid+violations

I posted this yesterday but it got lost in the flurry of posts during and after the game:
Wouldn't Pat's comment about the 4% on financial aid suggest that a school's enrollment does matter?
U$T 6,100 x .04 = 244
SJU 1900 x .04 = 76

Am I off base here?   Doesn't that mean that a school as large as UST can offer financial and other aid to an additional 240 or so student athletes?  That's an entire football team, plus basketball, baseball and maybe even a few hockey players or runners.

[USTBench]

Well I made the trip to St. Paul and I'm sure glad I did. From the looks of the weather it appears I'll be here another day as well. Such a great atmosphere yesterday, UST is really getting it figured out.

Ugly game certainly, a lot of nerves out there but the Tommies were able to get after the nation's best player and force some ugly scenarios.

Congrats to UWO on a great season. Still can't believe this is happening.

[WashedUp]

If the transfer financial award or any other aid is given in greater proportion to athletes than non-athletes (within 4%)  then it will trigger action from the NCAA. They are definitely catching schools who have financial aid departments that are unaware.

Since I've not kept my nose in this topic, are there any schools that have been investigated and disciplined for violations of this type? What's the NCAA doing by way of enforcement? Thanks!

Here's one for you.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2012/June/University+of+New+England+commits+financial+aid+violations

I posted this yesterday but it got lost in the flurry of posts during and after the game:
Wouldn't Pat's comment about the 4% on financial aid suggest that a school's enrollment does matter?
U$T 6,100 x .04 = 244
SJU 1900 x .04 = 76

Am I off base here?   Doesn't that mean that a school as large as UST can offer financial and other aid to an additional 240 or so student athletes?  That's an entire football team, plus basketball, baseball and maybe even a few hockey players or runners.

I don't know the actual process, but I'm guessing they compare the amount of financial aid awarded to student-athletes to non-athletes rather than taking a percentage of enrollment.

[sjusection105]

If the transfer financial award or any other aid is given in greater proportion to athletes than non-athletes (within 4%)  then it will trigger action from the NCAA. They are definitely catching schools who have financial aid departments that are unaware.

Since I've not kept my nose in this topic, are there any schools that have been investigated and disciplined for violations of this type? What's the NCAA doing by way of enforcement? Thanks!

Here's one for you.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2012/June/University+of+New+England+commits+financial+aid+violations

I posted this yesterday but it got lost in the flurry of posts during and after the game:
Wouldn't Pat's comment about the 4% on financial aid suggest that a school's enrollment does matter?
U$T 6,100 x .04 = 244
SJU 1900 x .04 = 76

Am I off base here?   Doesn't that mean that a school as large as UST can offer financial and other aid to an additional 240 or so student athletes?  That's an entire football team, plus basketball, baseball and maybe even a few hockey players or runners.

I don't know the actual process, butstudent-ath I'm guessing they compare the amount of financial aid awarded to letes to non-athletes rather than taking a percentage of enrollment.

That was the question,or rather the point of clarification,I had. If it is based on total enrollment, the larger schools would have a clear advantage because roster size (travel & play-off roster) is regulated by the NCAA-thus the percentage of financial aid going to a percentage of the roster of a larger school would be greater than that of a smaller school.

[thrunt01]

Congratulations to St. Thomas. They have a very strong O-line as well as a fast defensive front 7. I think it's been mentioned once or twice how balance on offense is key to playoff success and UST definitely made UWO one dimensional. At the end of the day turnovers told the story of the game. Both teams had their fair share but UST capitalized on their opportunities and UWO did not. Best of luck to the Tommies in the Stagg Bowl.

[AO]

If the transfer financial award or any other aid is given in greater proportion to athletes than non-athletes (within 4%)  then it will trigger action from the NCAA. They are definitely catching schools who have financial aid departments that are unaware.

Since I've not kept my nose in this topic, are there any schools that have been investigated and disciplined for violations of this type? What's the NCAA doing by way of enforcement? Thanks!

Here's one for you.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Latest+News/2012/June/University+of+New+England+commits+financial+aid+violations

I posted this yesterday but it got lost in the flurry of posts during and after the game:
Wouldn't Pat's comment about the 4% on financial aid suggest that a school's enrollment does matter?
U$T 6,100 x .04 = 244
SJU 1900 x .04 = 76

Am I off base here?   Doesn't that mean that a school as large as UST can offer financial and other aid to an additional 240 or so student athletes?  That's an entire football team, plus basketball, baseball and maybe even a few hockey players or runners.

I don't know the actual process, butstudent-ath I'm guessing they compare the amount of financial aid awarded to letes to non-athletes rather than taking a percentage of enrollment.

That was the question,or rather the point of clarification,I had. If it is based on total enrollment, the larger schools would have a clear advantage because roster size (travel & play-off roster) is regulated by the NCAA-thus the percentage of financial aid going to a percentage of the roster of a larger school would be greater than that of a smaller school.

The smaller schools with large numbers of athletes have the advantage with this policy.  St. Thomas could award 20k to athletes, but then have to pay that 20k to the other 5500 students, whereas St. John's would have far less non-athletes to pay for.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm quite sure the NCAA uses average dollars of aid per athlete vs. average dollars per all students, with the average dollars having to be within +/- 4%.  That eliminates any enrollment size advantages or disadvantages.

No other comparison would make any sense.  (Not that lack of sense necessarily stops the NCAA! )

[AO]

I'm quite sure the NCAA uses average dollars of aid per athlete vs. average dollars per all students, with the average dollars having to be within +/- 4%.  That eliminates any enrollment size advantages or disadvantages.

No other comparison would make any sense.  (Not that lack of sense necessarily stops the NCAA! )

let's say the Anderson's want to give money towards scholarships, the smaller school would be able to give more of that money to its athletes.  The real advantage is the ratio of donations:enrollment.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm quite sure the NCAA uses average dollars of aid per athlete vs. average dollars per all students, with the average dollars having to be within +/- 4%.  That eliminates any enrollment size advantages or disadvantages.

No other comparison would make any sense.  (Not that lack of sense necessarily stops the NCAA! )

let's say the Anderson's want to give money towards scholarships, the smaller school would be able to give more of that money to its athletes.  The real advantage is the ratio of donations:enrollment.

As long as they gave proportionately the same to non-athletes, yes.  Note that (all else being equal) the larger enrollment school is likely to have more 'Andersons'.  Size, per se, is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage.  Generosity of alums is the key: the wealthier school is able to give more financial aid to everyone.  Which IS an advantage in recruiting athletes (as well as musicians, chemistry majors, etc.).

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I was excited to see Johnnie Football won the Heismann...took me a few minutes to realize it wasnt the Collegeville team .... apprarenlty he has trademarked "Johnnie football" and "Johnny football"...so the question to all you legal beagles out there is will SJU need to pay him to use either expression?

[Retired Old Rat]

Wonder if he might be interested in buying an Internet domain?

[sjusection105]

Wonder if he might be interested in buying an Internet domain?

Exactly ROR- we have had that domain (or should I say DustySJU) since the Texas A & M guy was in Jr. high school- possession is 9/10 of the law..... I'm not a lawyer so I will defer to Johnnie Esq. Finsleft & UST Bench in this matter.

[oldsju67]

You gotta wonder what Roney is thinking, watching a team that he so skillfully coached to the heights of mediocrity transformed to a legitimate NCAA title contender in a few short years.  I still find it hard to believe!

Me too...

[criswyly]

Whoever gave me -k for congratulating the Tommies, please speak up so I can repay you likewise.

[raiderguy]

Congrats to UST on the biggest win to date in program history. Solid play all around-- offense, defense and special teams all did what needed to be done to jump to the early lead and keep UWO from staging a rally.

Also congrats to Glenn Caruso on becoming the school's all-time winningest football coach. Here's hoping for many many more wins @UST for Glenn!

Friday will mark the 8th time a UST men's team has played in the national championship gamew in the past 15 years- baseball four times (2 titles), hockey twice, basketball once (with a title) and now football.  Add to it two softball national titles, and the recent volleyball title-- all of which have come on Steve Fritz's tenure as AD.

Who has more?

We'll start with 8 National Titles and 6 additional appearances in the title game. . All of which under Larry Kehres tenure as the AD ...oops and the coach.

And lest we forget......In the past fifteen years the Tommies still SUCK!