FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Walter Eagle]

Per twitter, UST had 200 recruits on campus last week for their "Elite Prospect Day II." They had an additional 150 on campus a few weeks ago. Good to see the staff working hard right up to camp.

200 recruits...must be a rather "elite" event. 

Regards,
USA Football Network

200 elite recruits at the D3 level???  WTF does that even mean.  Sounds like a lot of smoke being blown up kids arses.  If the state of MN has 200 elite recruits how is it the Gophers haven't been to a Rose Bowl since 1962?

They probably gave away a free T-shirt.  College kids will show up at anything if they can get a free tee shirt.  Most of the kids probably left half way through.   Hey Mr. MIAC.  That's an emoticon.  It means I'm joking (sort of).

Seriously though VTC, are you sure they were all football recruits and they were all high school seniors and not some earlier grades mixed in?  UST must be working pretty hard getting kids on campus this summer because the place has been crawling with them and most of them do not look like football players.

[FearTheEar]

Interesting article in the Forum today http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/408099/

I know that their is no way to know what the coaches in our conference make due to being private, but is their any insider snoops that have an idea of what MIAC coaches make?

[AO]

Interesting article in the Forum today http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/408099/

I know that their is no way to know what the coaches in our conference make due to being private, but is their any insider snoops that have an idea of what MIAC coaches make?

The Feds require them to report an average salary per Title IX regulations.

Search here to find the St. Thomas figures

Head Coaches' Salaries
   Men's Teams   Women's Teams
Average Annual Institutional Salary per Head Coach   $45,293   $41,276
Number of Head Coaches Included in Average   10   9
Average Annual Institutional Salary per FTE   $85,620   $79,889
Number of FTEs Included in Average   5.29   4.65
CAVEAT

Caruso is the only coach assigned solely to his sport.  If the average of 5.29 coaches is $85,620, I think it's safe to say Caruso is into the six figures, especially considering the Tommies spend $600K on football, compared to Concordia which spent $298,483.

[art76]

Per twitter, UST had 200 recruits on campus last week for their "Elite Prospect Day II." They had an additional 150 on campus a few weeks ago. Good to see the staff working hard right up to camp.

200 recruits...must be a rather "elite" event. 

Regards,
USA Football Network

200 elite recruits at the D3 level???  WTF does that even mean.  Sounds like a lot of smoke being blown up kids arses.  If the state of MN has 200 elite recruits how is it the Gophers haven't been to a Rose Bowl since 1962?

I'm glad I could give you guys something to talk about. The board has been a little dead lately. So much pontificating over the name of the event. My lord.

If the name isn't important then why did you list it?  Of course you wanted to use the word "Elite" just to make the point that there are so many "Elites" at UST(d) and God knows how many average guys.  The rest of the MIAC probably has only 20 elites in total all added together, the sorry suckers.

My first thought was that Caruso has been massively over-recruiting and is using the "Elite" day to thin the herd of the wannabes which are no longer wanted.  My second thought was l33t.

My third thought was wondering how Fasching is doing his recruiting.  I wonder if he'll stick with the Gagliardi maxim that anyone who shows up gets a spot on the side or if he'll start over-recruiting and then cutting players that don't make the team.  Or if he'll keep those little things like names on the front of helmets.  Or if one day we're doing the l33t as well.

Oz - your second thought was wonderfully obtuse - loved it!

[Mr.MIAC]

Interesting article in the Forum today http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/408099/

I know that their is no way to know what the coaches in our conference make due to being private, but is their any insider snoops that have an idea of what MIAC coaches make?

The Feds require them to report an average salary per Title IX regulations.

Here are the St. Thomas figures

Head Coaches' Salaries
   Men's Teams   Women's Teams
Average Annual Institutional Salary per Head Coach   $45,293   $41,276
Number of Head Coaches Included in Average   10   9
Average Annual Institutional Salary per FTE   $85,620   $79,889
Number of FTEs Included in Average   5.29   4.65
CAVEAT

Caruso is the only coach assigned solely to his sport.  If the average of 5.29 coaches is $85,620, I think it's safe to say Caruso is into the six figures, especially considering the Tommies spend $600K on football, compared to Concordia which spent $298,483.

Yeah, not all MIAC teams are willing to pay top dollar for coaching talent. At least that was the rumor amongst some of those dissatisfied with what we'll call the "Mike Grant Incident."  Are you thinking that UST overspends? Or is it that the rest underspend (assuming the rest are spending less)?

[Retired Old Rat]

I think St. Thomas is getting exactly what they pay for.

[Walter Eagle]

It's interesting to look at football expenses relative to the number of student participants (i.e. taking the class).  Here are the expenses per participant for each of the reporting schools.

GAC - $4,456
UST - $4,408
Aug - $4,211
BU - $3,960
STO - $2,719
CCM - $2,467

The one's that really stand out are the two schools who can only put around 60 players on the team.

HU - $5,922
MAC - $5,896.

It would be even more interesting to see what percentage of these expenses actually come from the revenue the sport generates and calculate the percent that is being subsidized by non-sport related revenues.

[OzJohnnie]

It's interesting to look at football expenses relative to the number of student participants (i.e. taking the class).  Here are the expenses per participant for each of the reporting schools.

GAC - $4,456
UST - $4,408
Aug - $4,211
BU - $3,960
STO - $2,719
CCM - $2,467

The one's that really stand out are the two schools who can only put around 60 players on the team.

HU - $5,922
MAC - $5,896.

It would be even more interesting to see what percentage of these expenses actually come from the revenue the sport generates and calculate the percent that is being subsidized by non-sport related revenues.

WE;

Why don't you have the SJU numbers?  Were they not available?

[Pat Coleman]

It's interesting to look at football expenses relative to the number of student participants (i.e. taking the class).  Here are the expenses per participant for each of the reporting schools.

GAC - $4,456
UST - $4,408
Aug - $4,211
BU - $3,960
STO - $2,719
CCM - $2,467

The one's that really stand out are the two schools who can only put around 60 players on the team.

HU - $5,922
MAC - $5,896.

It would be even more interesting to see what percentage of these expenses actually come from the revenue the sport generates and calculate the percent that is being subsidized by non-sport related revenues.

WE;

Why don't you have the SJU numbers?  Were they not available?

St. John's doesn't have to file a Title IX report with the government, for obvious reasons.

[Walter Eagle]

It's interesting to look at football expenses relative to the number of student participants (i.e. taking the class).  Here are the expenses per participant for each of the reporting schools.

GAC - $4,456
UST - $4,408
Aug - $4,211
BU - $3,960
STO - $2,719
CCM - $2,467

The one's that really stand out are the two schools who can only put around 60 players on the team.

HU - $5,922
MAC - $5,896.

It would be even more interesting to see what percentage of these expenses actually come from the revenue the sport generates and calculate the percent that is being subsidized by non-sport related revenues.

WE;

Why don't you have the SJU numbers?  Were they not available?

St. John's doesn't have to file a Title IX report with the government, for obvious reasons.

Pat, why doesn't co-ed Carleton file one and why does all women's college St. Kate's file one but not St. Ben's?

[Pat Coleman]

Carleton does file one. I don't know the particulars as to some single-sex schools file them.

[Walter Eagle]

Carleton does file one. I don't know the particulars as to some single-sex schools file them.

Found Carleton.  Odd they don't show up when you search by conference but do when you search by school name.  They are spending $3,949 per participant and only have 68 participants.

[OzJohnnie]

Pat, why doesn't co-ed Carleton file one and why does all women's college St. Kate's file one but not St. Ben's?

I was going to go with the "All the men at Carleton play football like girls anyway" retort but the real answer got out there first.

[DuffMan]

I was going to go with the "All the men at Carleton play football like girls anyway" retort but the real answer got out there first.

Somewhat amusing Carleton story from my days:  My sophomore year (2000), we were playing the Knights at the Metrodome.  We had a pretty solid team that year, if you'll recall (13-2, NCAA runner-ups), and the Knights were pretty horrible.  I was a back-up offensive guard (normally a d-lineman) at the time, I got quite a bit of playing time that day, and we were having our way with them, yet I distinctly remember one of their starters trash-talking relentlessly right to John's face.   

[badgerwarhawk]

Sometimes that's all you've got left.