FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

BW;

How does UWW look this year? Are they bouncing back?

[AO]

Carleton does file one. I don't know the particulars as to some single-sex schools file them.

Found Carleton.  Odd they don't show up when you search by conference but do when you search by school name.  They are spending $3,949 per participant and only have 68 participants.

Obviously, they're unhappy with the MIAC and searching for a better conference.   Sorry Knights, the UMAC's academic standards might be a little high for your kids.   

Walter, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compare expenses by "per participant" figures.  The MIAC limits travel rosters, so the Tommies aren't spending the same amount on players 61-140 as they are on the first 60.

[Walter Eagle]

Carleton does file one. I don't know the particulars as to some single-sex schools file them.

Found Carleton.  Odd they don't show up when you search by conference but do when you search by school name.  They are spending $3,949 per participant and only have 68 participants.

Obviously, they're unhappy with the MIAC and searching for a better conference.   Sorry Knights, the UMAC's academic standards might be a little high for your kids.   

Walter, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compare expenses by "per participant" figures.  The MIAC limits travel rosters, so the Tommies aren't spending the same amount on players 61-140 as they are on the first 60.

Very True.  The marginal cost of each additional player decreases because most of the expense is coaching salaries.  But it is not necessarily insignificant.  You could make the case that more assistant coaches are needed if you have 140 players compared to 60.  You will need more home uniforms, lockers, etc.  I'm not sure how big an expense injuries represent, but I'm guessing medical expenses are more for big squads than smaller ones.  So, I think that both the total expense and the expense per participant should be noted.

It's interesting that the NCAA breaks out Operating (Game Day) Expenses per participant, so they must put some significance to it.  They define OGDE as "All expenses an institution incurs attributable to home, away, and neutral-site intercollegiate athletic contests (commonly known as game-day expenses), for (A) Lodging, meals, transportation, uniforms, and equipment for coaches, team members, support staff (including, but not limited to team managers and trainers), and others; and (B) Officials."

[wildcat11]

Bethel is the latest to fall for the random All-American team that has no credibility or history but we're going to press release it anyways.

http://athletics.bethel.edu/news/2013/8/5/FB_0805133837.aspx

Cutting Edge Sports Management All-American team? 

[Retired Old Rat]

From the Cutting Edge Sports homepage:

All senior honorees with no remaining college eligibility will be invited to Dream Bowl II, taking place January 17-20, 2014 at the Virginia Beach Sports Plex, Virginia Beach, Va. Dream Bowl II is being presented by the same sports management team that hosted the successful inaugural Dream Bowl played last year at Salem Stadium on January 21, 2013. This College Football All-Star Game is a showcase of the best NCAA D-III players from across the country.  The game and the series of events held over Martin Luther King Weekend are a celebration of the excellence, commitment, and sacrifice made by the players and their families. An NFL-style certified combine will be conducted in front of professional scouts and agents as part of the 4-day/3-night event.  The CESM All-Americans will be honored at the CESM football awards banquet where the student-athletes will be presented with the 2013 CESM Offensive, Defensive and Special Teams MVP awards.

Is this a pay to play all star game?

[AO]

Is this a pay to play all star game?

Is $560.35 too much to pay when you consider the millions you'll make in the NFL?

[badgerwarhawk]

BW;

How does UWW look this year? Are they bouncing back?

I think we'll be pretty competitive this year.  Our defense should be very good.  We may have one of the best linebacker groups in the nation.   Have to replace a couple of D'backs and a lineman but we've got players with experience to use.  Offensively the line will be the big question.  We'll be young there.  Our skill players, particularly the wide outs, should be ok.  We're getting a running back returning from injury and our quarterback gained valuable experience last year.  We've also got a new offensive coordinator so we could look a little different.

The league will be tough.  The team to keep an eye on imo is Platteville.  They should be very good offensively and if they have any kind of defense they'll be tough to beat.  Oshkosh has to replace Wara but they've got a lot of talent returning so I can see them being very competitive. 

Here is what our SIDs think....http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2013/8/6/FB_0806131133.aspx

[Retired Old Rat]

Study Ranks St. John's University First for Return on Investment 

[OzJohnnie]

Study Ranks St. John's University First for Return on Investment 

Middle management (at best) must be paying pretty well. I think a Tommie must have written than survey, though. ROI is a percentage and the UofM easily has the highest return on investment. If a Johnnie had written this survey then the different investment options would have been compared using net present value.

But I have to wonder about the value of a college education. I'll admit I'm taking more time to write this post than I did looking for their survey methodology, but a college education looks very suspicious. If you get a four year degree, that will cost you $130k at SJU and your lifetime earnings are $860k?  Over what? 20 years?  If you instead invested that money in shares and then let it sit for 20 years you would have just short of $2m dollars. A college bound student is better off investing in other people's ingenuity than his own.

[Retired Old Rat]

Study Ranks St. John's University First for Return on Investment 

Middle management (at best) must be paying pretty well. I think a Tommie must have written than survey, though. ROI is a percentage and the UofM easily has the highest return on investment. If a Johnnie had written this survey then the different investment options would have been compared using net present value.

But I have to wonder about the value of a college education. I'll admit I'm taking more time to write this post than I did looking for their survey methodology, but a college education looks very suspicious. If you get a four year degree, that will cost you $130k at SJU and your lifetime earnings are $860k?  Over what? 20 years?  If you instead invested that money in shares and then let it sit for 20 years you would have just short of $2m dollars. A college bound student is better off investing in other people's ingenuity than his own.

Oz, you make a good point overall.  However, the earnings figures are over what you would have earned without a college degree.

Now, let's talk about advanced degrees.  My Tommie daughter just graduated from law school.  That's a BIG ticket.  And there are way too many law school graduates.  So, unless you are a top of class type from a top 100 law school, it is a really, really bad investment.  My daughter went to work for a non-profit in D.C.  Even worse. 

[retagent]

I had a lot of ground to cover today, so bear with me.

I just had to karmalize Mr MIAC for his "Big Lebowski" nod. It doen't matter who does it, it's a mandatory "+"

I think Prince cornered the market on the plastic purple cups. Run him down, and you're set.

[sjusection105]

Study Ranks St. John's University First for Return on Investment 

Middle management (at best) must be paying pretty well. I think a Tommie must have written than survey, though. ROI is a percentage and the UofM easily has the highest return on investment. If a Johnnie had written this survey then the different investment options would have been compared using net present value.

But I have to wonder about the value of a college education. I'll admit I'm taking more time to write this post than I did looking for their survey methodology, but a college education looks very suspicious. If you get a four year degree, that will cost you $130k at SJU and your lifetime earnings are $860k?  Over what? 20 years?  If you instead invested that money in shares and then let it sit for 20 years you would have just short of $2m dollars. A college bound student is better off investing in other people's ingenuity than his own.

Oz, you make a good point overall.  However, the earnings figures are over what you would have earned without a college degree.

Now, let's talk about advanced degrees.  My Tommie daughter just graduated from law school.  That's a BIG ticket.  And there are way too many law school graduates.  So, unless you are a top of class type from a top 100 law school, it is a really, really bad investment.  My daughter went to work for a non-profit in D.C.  Even worse. 

ROR-Your son, on the other hand,studied a discipline which will never go out of style. Businesses always want to know the bottom line- where they can cut expenses and how they can run more efficiently. You did a good job with that one 

Oz,the degree gets you in the door and sadly many of the youth of today have diminished social (interviewing) skills due to parents who have told them how wonderful they are their entire young lives.

[OzJohnnie]

Oz,the degree gets you in the door and sadly many of the youth of today have diminished social (interviewing) skills due to parents who have told them how wonderful they are their entire young lives.

I have to say I can get a perverse satisfaction out of interviewing Gen Y-ers.  I love naively audacious return questions like "What does this job offer my career?"  I get to furrow my brow and ask in a 'deep thought' voice, "That is an interesting question.  What does this opportunity offer your career?" and then just sit in silence waiting... waiting.

[sjusection105]

Oz,the degree gets you in the door and sadly many of the youth of today have diminished social (interviewing) skills due to parents who have told them how wonderful they are their entire young lives.

I have to say I can get a perverse satisfaction out of interviewing Gen Y-ers.  I love naively audacious return questions like "What does this job offer my career?"  I get to furrow my brow and ask in a 'deep thought' voice, "That is an interesting question.  What does this opportunity offer your career?" and then just sit in silence waiting... waiting.

Heaven help us when they are leading the world 

[Walter Eagle]

My great hope for the more recent generations is that they are less likely to stereotype.   My great fear is that one of the "zombies" that walk around staring at their smartphones are going to walk in front of my moving car. (OK, I'm stereotyping a sub-group).  My great certainty is that many of them are going to be shocked to discover that those drunk photos and tweets they produced are going to sit out on the Internet all the while they are seeking gainful employment and will actually cost them jobs they could have otherwise obtained.