FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DuffMan]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

I only worry about the final poll at the end of December. But my 2 cents worth is to echo what several have said-- Mt Union is #1 until they lose.  I'm not saying every defending champ should star toff at #1, but with returning core that MU has and the tradtion/depth they have, any other team being ranked ahead of an unbeaten MU is just not right.

[ron doney]

Ron,

We have always had some voters who are willing to change No. 1 votes midseason even if a team keeps winning. I doubt those people will change their philosophies this year.

Pat - my question strikes week one.

MU moves from 606 votes to 602.  By some people did you mean one or two guys?

No, I didn't mean one or two guys. Remember I said there are voters who are willing. I didn't guarantee that all of them would be interested in doing so this week, right?

Right......well more drama for the weeks to come I guess.

I thought Keith's comments in ATN about Mount capture the lack of confidence in Mount, which is showing up in the votes.  Without a clear conviction in the next horse to back, Mount defaults back to #1.

To Keith's comments I'd add that trouble on the defensive side of the ball at Mount are even more concerning considering that Vince was the d-cordinator.  I can see them getting more organized, but has the talent that made them dominating graduated?  The kids playing at Mount today were recruited during Mount's 3 yr hiatus at the top.....maybe as a result they lost a one or two game changing recruits during those years, which we are seeing now. 

[ron doney]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Sorry to bring up the old trash!!!   I was up at the Tommie game for the weekend watching the blow out by UST over UW-Eau Claire and didn't take the time to respond because I was melting in the stands it was a hot one!!! I saw at least 2 Fans get first aid for the intense heat, I learned later that they were fine, which is great.  But I guess being the "Tommie come lately" fan I better be-careful of what I post I not to offend or break the long standing fan guide of Proper Etiquette and how to be a certified fan of MIAC Football rule book...True I am new to the conference but like it or not I am fan of the Tommie's and for the most part a supporter for the whole conference. but come-on already don't get offended so easily lighten up Captain A$$ Hat! I would love the banter and would only do it in jest!  So I guess I will tone it down a bit???    Maybe

SJU fans Hit UW- Eau Claire early and hard!!! they will lose steam quickly...some of the UST players said they(UW) lost steam pretty early, once UST scored a Couple of times... and plan on taking away their run game early because there Passing game isn't that strong and they will resort to that if they cant establish the run. 

Just my 2 cents!

As a UST alum and longtime poster, I for one would very much appreciate that. Nothing wrong with enthusiasm, but you  tend to be a tad overboard.  And 2 tiny requests-- be sober when you post and try to use AN exclamation mark on the rare time you're saying something excitedly (like maybe once every 9-10 posts, not every sentence)  

[ron doney]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

I only worry about the final poll at the end of December. But my 2 cents worth is to echo what several have said-- Mt Union is #1 until they lose.  I'm not saying every defending champ should star toff at #1, but with returning core that MU has and the tradtion/depth they have, any other team being ranked ahead of an unbeaten MU is just not right.

Again, look at the votes and not the numbers on the left and you'll see that Mount isn't the #1 you describe them to be.

Also, take a look at the group that graduated from Mount and the guys who returned......not much of a "core."

I think Keith said it on ATN......all the talk of Mount being just fine and a lock for a repeat is in some ways not giving enough credit to the group that graduated last year.....a class that was recruited during Mount's dominance, but was shut out their first 3 years.

[sfury]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

Talk away. But just wondering if you were this worked up last year.

2012 d3football.com preseason ranking: No. 8 St. Thomas (435 votes)

Week 1: St. Thomas barely beats Eau Claire, rallying from 2 scores down, avoiding humiliation and, possibly, sources indicate, saving Caruso's job.

2012 d3football.com Week 1 ranking: No. 7 St. Thomas, 1-0 (473 votes)

Moved up a spot, gained votes. Now if we're talking outrages, that's an outrage. I'm outraged.

[DuffMan]

Doney, I really didn't mean to offend you.  I'm just a little baffled as to why you're that concerned about the rankings.  #1 or #2, does it really matter?  There's a whole lot of football left to play.  After all, you don't get the walnut & bronze till you win the Stagg Bowl.

[SJUrube]

I'm confused and my St John's education is probably to blame. When I look at the rankings I see Mount Union has 10 first place votes and 602 total votes. UST has 8 first place votes and 601 total votes. So UST is #1? Why does D3Football have a #1 next to Mount Union? Is it possible Mary Hardin-Baylor is #1 because they received one first place vote? That's a nice 1:1 ratio.

[sfury]

The one time rankings proved really perturbing was back in 2005, before St. Thomas started its program.

St. John's was ranked third in the country in final poll. Unfortunately the top two teams in the country were also in the West and were the top two seeds in the region.

[ron doney]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

Talk away. But just wondering if you were this worked up last year.

2012 d3football.com preseason ranking: No. 8 St. Thomas (435 votes)

Week 1: St. Thomas barely beats Eau Claire, rallying from 2 scores down, avoiding humiliation and, possibly, sources indicate, saving Caruso's job.

2012 d3football.com Week 1 ranking: No. 7 St. Thomas, 1-0 (473 votes)

Moved up a spot, gained votes. Now if we're talking outrages, that's an outrage. I'm outraged.

See, Faunch, other SJ1 supporters look at the rankings with a critical eye as well.

Sfury - I'm actually not outraged or upset at today's rankings.  Here is what I am, and probably should have started the dialogue with this take instead.....For the first time in 8 years the #1 spot in the D3.com rankings isn't clearly UMU or UWW.  That's just as much a story as last years Stagg bowl not being the 8th in a row. 

Another take on it.....convention suggests last years champ is #1 until they get beat, right?  Well the d3.com voters have said not so fast.  They were one vote of one kind or another away from upsetting that convention.  What does this all say about how far UMU has fallen?  How the voters handled the fall of UWW last season? Without UWW as a clear second choice, which of the 4 other teams has the best chance at the top rank?, etc....

And Sfury, the example you've given is a fair case of how the voting can be bogus.  Though I don't know if Caruso's job has ever been on the line the last 3 yrs.....we hung on to Roney for many job saving rounds.

[Retired Old Rat]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

That would be a rare example of restraint on your part.



I could see this comment directed at many SJU posters, but DuffMan?  Clearly you're still intoxicated over the week one win. 

[Retired Old Rat]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

That would be a rare example of restraint on your part.

I could see this comment directed at many SJU posters, but DuffMan?  Clearly you're still intoxicated over the week one win.

[Retired Old Rat]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

That would be a rare example of restraint on your part.

I could see this comment directed at many SJU posters, but DuffMan?  Clearly you're still intoxicated over the week one win.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

As I said before, the only ranking that matters to me is the final one. Heck, your poll  can rank UST (or insert any school of your choice) 200th, but if they win the playoffs, they still get the trophy and are the best.  Polls are nice, but utterly and totally meaningless