FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OldAuggie]

The new D3football.com Top 25 rankings are out:

Bethel stays at #5
St. Thomas drops to #9 (from #6)
Concordia-Moorhead drops to #24 (from #22)
Saint John's squeaks back into the top 25 at #25 (edging out Huntington by one point)
Augsburg no longer receiving votes

Interesting.  I didn't think the Jays would make it back in.  I thought they would be in the top three vote getters outside the top 25, though.  I thought CON would drop out and I think it's fair they didn't.  I thought the Tommies would drop to 8, not 9, and that is exceptionally fair.  The Auggies with no votes is rough - I think the Johns picked up more and the Auggies lost more on reputation rather than total merit.  But that's often the way things work at the bottom of the list, I guess.

I agree Oz, was thinking the same thing. So a few fumbles cost Augsburg the game and they don't get any votes?! Do the voters consider the stats and how the game played out or just look at the score. I think it is the latter. Of course if the Auggies had made the top 25 under different circumstances I would think it's the best system possible! I can admit that.
Example: Early in the season Augsburg drops in votes after beating a good Gustavus team by "only" 3 points. I guess reputation plays a part in the voters eyes.

[corn horn]

Did a Tommie player get ejected from their game today?

Wolfman confirms in the post-game that a UST player did get ejected for launching on a defenseless receiver.

I have no idea of where one could find this information buFrot I've got to believe that U$T is near the top of the league in personal foul penalties.  Does anybody know if stats kept on that?

Faunch, find it yourself if you care so much.

DONE!!!  U$T is #4 in total penalty yardage so far this season.  SJU is dead last in penalty yardage.  Cobbers must have been tagged for a number of personal fouls / un-sportsmanlike considering based upon most recent stats they were only flagged 22 times but average 88 yards per game.

Augs    25-238      59.5 pg

BU      27-261            52.20 pg

Carl      34-328      65.6 pg      

Con      22-352      88.0 pg

GAC      24-237      47.4 pg

HU      22-265            66.25 pg

Olaf      28-258      43.0 pg

SJU       26-223      37.2 pg

U$T      26-253            63.2 pg

Cobbers have had quite a few pass interference / defensive holding type penalties making up the bulk of that yardage. Add a few blocks in the back on returns, etc. and it starts to add up. I am not aware of any unsportsmanlike conduct flags thrown, though I haven't seen every game. I don't believe that type of penalty has figured into the mix in a significant way. They did have one late hit on the QB versus Bethel.

[sjusection105]

The new D3football.com Top 25 rankings are out:

Bethel stays at #5
St. Thomas drops to #9 (from #6)
Concordia-Moorhead drops to #24 (from #22)
Saint John's squeaks back into the top 25 at #25 (edging out Huntington by one point)
Augsburg no longer receiving votes

Interesting.  I didn't think the Jays would make it back in.  I thought they would be in the top three vote getters outside the top 25, though.  I thought CON would drop out and I think it's fair they didn't.  I thought the Tommies would drop to 8, not 9, and that is exceptionally fair.  The Auggies with no votes is rough - I think the Johns picked up more and the Auggies lost more on reputation rather than total merit.  But that's often the way things work at the bottom of the list, I guess.

I agree Oz, was thinking the same thing. So a few fumbles cost Augsburg the game and they don't get any votes?! Do the voters consider the stats and how the game played out or just look at the score. I think it is the latter. Of course if the Auggies had made the top 25 under different circumstances I would think it's the best system possible! I can admit that.
Example: Early in the season Augsburg drops in votes after beating a good Gustavus team by "only" 3 points. I guess reputation plays a part in the voters eyes.

If the Auggies win out (and they certainly can) they will be in the Top 25. The problem is that even if you are ranked in the Top 25 (and this happens every year) they could miss the play-offs because of automatic qualifiers. This stinks,but unfortunately this is the system we have to work with.

[SagatagSam]

I agree Oz, was thinking the same thing. So a few fumbles cost Augsburg the game and they don't get any votes?! Do the voters consider the stats and how the game played out or just look at the score. I think it is the latter. Of course if the Auggies had made the top 25 under different circumstances I would think it's the best system possible! I can admit that.
Example: Early in the season Augsburg drops in votes after beating a good Gustavus team by "only" 3 points. I guess reputation plays a part in the voters eyes.

A "few" fumbles is one or two, not five. I also think you're missing two interceptions.

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.

[sjusection105]

I agree Oz, was thinking the same thing. So a few fumbles cost Augsburg the game and they don't get any votes?! Do the voters consider the stats and how the game played out or just look at the score. I think it is the latter. Of course if the Auggies had made the top 25 under different circumstances I would think it's the best system possible! I can admit that.
Example: Early in the season Augsburg drops in votes after beating a good Gustavus team by "only" 3 points. I guess reputation plays a part in the voters eyes.

A "few" fumbles is one or two, not five. I also think you're missing two interceptions.

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.

That sounds like something they taught you at lawyer school 

[SagatagSam]

I agree Oz, was thinking the same thing. So a few fumbles cost Augsburg the game and they don't get any votes?! Do the voters consider the stats and how the game played out or just look at the score. I think it is the latter. Of course if the Auggies had made the top 25 under different circumstances I would think it's the best system possible! I can admit that.
Example: Early in the season Augsburg drops in votes after beating a good Gustavus team by "only" 3 points. I guess reputation plays a part in the voters eyes.

A "few" fumbles is one or two, not five. I also think you're missing two interceptions.

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.

That sounds like something they taught you at lawyer school 

Nope. I learned that one at the local pub. I asked the bartender for a "few" beers and then became really upset when he only brought me two instead of five.
My face got bruised a little bit from it bouncing off the pavement as they threw me out, but I'm fine.

[OldAuggie]

I agree Oz, was thinking the same thing. So a few fumbles cost Augsburg the game and they don't get any votes?! Do the voters consider the stats and how the game played out or just look at the score. I think it is the latter. Of course if the Auggies had made the top 25 under different circumstances I would think it's the best system possible! I can admit that.
Example: Early in the season Augsburg drops in votes after beating a good Gustavus team by "only" 3 points. I guess reputation plays a part in the voters eyes.

A "few" fumbles is one or two, not five. I also think you're missing two interceptions.

You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Well I was allowing for a few fumbles due to the rain, both teams had fumbles and yes Augsburg had two INT's. The difference to me was a few Auggie fumbles that were critical to the outcome of the game. Hence a "few" fumbles. Not in to flaming with caps so I will leave it at that. Were you at the game? I assume you are one of the old time Johnnie fans that goes to each game and you know which fumbles I am talking about.

[SagatagSam]

Were you at the game? I assume you are one of the old time Johnnie fans that goes to each game and you know which fumbles I am talking about.

I was not in physical attendance at the game. I live 300 miles from Collegeville, so I'm lucky if I can make 1-2 games per year.

[OzJohnnie]

Were you at the game? I assume you are one of the old time Johnnie fans that goes to each game and you know which fumbles I am talking about.

I was not in physical attendance at the game. I live 300 miles from Collegeville, so I'm lucky if I can make 1-2 games per year.

In psychic attendance?  Ethereal?

I avoided all the mysticism j-term classes over at CSB.

[SagatagSam]

I'm wondering how the Toms feel about the QB situation going into the game at Bethel. That would be the last team I'd want to try a new QB against.

Any word on who is going to get the start? I know Fenske got the lion's share of the snaps after O'Connell got hurt. What about Gould? Or, is it Fenske without debate?

[SagatagSam]

Were you at the game? I assume you are one of the old time Johnnie fans that goes to each game and you know which fumbles I am talking about.

I was not in physical attendance at the game. I live 300 miles from Collegeville, so I'm lucky if I can make 1-2 games per year.

In psychic attendance?  Ethereal?

I avoided all the mysticism j-term classes over at CSB.

In cardiac attendance--my heart is always in Collegeville.

[OzJohnnie]

I'm wondering how the Toms feel about the QB situation going into the game at Bethel. That would be the last team I'd want to try a new QB against.

Any word on who is going to get the start? I know Fenske got the lion's share of the snaps after O'Connell got hurt. What about Gould? Or, is it Fenske without debate?

I didn't realize that their next game was against BU.  Talk about pressure.  I hate to say it, but I might favor the Toms here.  Back against the wall.  The pressure of high expectations coming to one crucial moment.  The "us against the world" mentality that F.A.M.I.L.Y. thrives on is perfect for situations just like this.

But BU tend to be ready for the big game and don't suffer much from the burden of high expectations.  So they could be ready.  Talk about a big game.

So, I'm backing BU here.  I reckon SJU has a better chance of taking the conference and making the post season in a end-of-year fight for life battle against the undefeated Royals than they do if Bethel has its back against the wall.  I don't think Bethel will give us a sniff in that circumstance.

[DuffMan]

I avoided all the mysticism j-term classes over at CSB.

I think J-term predates Sam.    My sophomore year (January 2001) was the last J-term, if I remember correctly.  I worked a lot of hours at the info desk that January.

[art76]

The new D3football.com Top 25 rankings are out:

Bethel stays at #5
St. Thomas drops to #9 (from #6)
Concordia-Moorhead drops to #24 (from #22)
Saint John's squeaks back into the top 25 at #25 (edging out Huntington by one point)
Augsburg no longer receiving votes

So, is the first time in D3 history that a conference has punched in 4 teams into the top 25? And with the 3 WIAC teams also on the list, you have two mid-west conferences taking up almost a third of the spots. That's a pretty strong bias for mid-west football.

[retagent]

I'm wondering how the Toms feel about the QB situation going into the game at Bethel. That would be the last team I'd want to try a new QB against.

Any word on who is going to get the start? I know Fenske got the lion's share of the snaps after O'Connell got hurt. What about Gould? Or, is it Fenske without debate?

I don't think you're Fenske material.