FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BDB]

I think it obviously was a pre-planned event. The Philadelphia Flyers are a horrible hockey team. Apparently fighting is the only arrow in their quiver.
BTW: Bennie, you have a "kick in the shins and run " list? You are too much fun! 

[Knightstalker]

Silly-but not unexpected from Philly. I would hope the nhl suspends emery for a few games.
That is why college hockey can be better at times.
In any event, go hawks-Stanley Cup Champs.

There is a reason the Flyers are still known in Philly as the Broad Street Bullies.

NCAA football overtime sucks, it is nothing more than a glorified penalty shots.  The NFL's is bad enough but the NCAA is regoddamndiculous.

What would suggest they replace it with?

A timed period say ten minutes long, at the end if still tied it is a tie.  Play overtime just like the game is played in regulation.  Stop giving the ball to teams in field goal range.  In the NCAA it gives some teams a great advantage, they have a good kicker, many teams including D1 do not quality kickers, it gets really stupid on the D3 level when almost no team has a good kicker.  Stupid rule from a stupid association.

[bennie]

I just watched the clip and it made me sick. Not only does Emery force the guy into the fight by grabbing his jersey and dragging him, but he punches him in the back of the head while he is on his knees. I am not a huge fan of fighting, but if they are willing combatants, so be it. Most enforcers respect their opponents enough that they don't pull that kind of a bushleauge move. Not to mention, they don't want someone to do it to them. Emery's a big man to pull that kind of move knowing that he isn't likely to have a) fight again unless he wants to and b) fight someone who actually knows how to fight.

I have a "Kick I the Shins and Run List" with players like Emery and Raffi Torres on it. Then there is my "Kick in the Shins (no need to run because I think I can take them) List with, well, the Vancouver Canucks on it. Alex Burrow with his hair pulling, the Sedins...they fight like girls. Please, I got this!

[retagent]

Add ex Cap Alex Semin to that list. I like the guy, but he can't fight worth a lick. Even Phil Kessel had his second career fight last night and looked better, even as he was wrestled to the ice.

[AO]

MIAC PICK'EM'S

Name	W1	W2	W3	W4	W5	W6	W7	W8	W9	W10	W11	Overall
hazzben	14	5	11	10	6	9	14	8	7	-	-	84
AlmostEx	10	10	15	4	4	10	16	10	4	-	-	83
OzJohnnie	9	7	11	8	-	10	10	15	13	-	-	83
FCGrizzliesGrad	10	7	4	7	10	12	16	6	10	-	-	82
GoldandBlueBU	12	7	8	10	7	10	9	11	7	-	-	81
Repete	9	12	6	8	7	10	15	4	10	-	-	81
AO	5	11	16	8	4	13	7	5	8	-	-	77
desertcat1	10	5	7	10	9	10	11	6	9	-	-	77
miacmaniac	12	6	7	13	7	7	13	6	6	-	-	77
mr_mom	10	12	3	4	7	10	15	9	7	-	-	77
stanbob	9	1	11	10	10	10	12	10	4	-	-	77
OldAuggie	11	0	7	11	10	5	14	8	9	-	-	75
art76	7	7	13	7	6	3	12	11	7	-	-	73
ChicagoTommie	10	10	6	10	5	7	6	7	8	-	-	69
finsleft	6	13	7	4	5	8	10	7	7	-	-	67
sju56321	9	7	7	5	8	7	12	6	4	-	-	65
jayhawkdaddy	10	2	3	5	7	12	8	9	8	-	-	64
FearTheEar	11	3	8	7	8	7	9	4	6	-	-	63
USTBench	4	6	7	11	8	7	6	4	3	-	-	56
wm4	10	3	-	-	7	6	7	-	-	-	-	33
ron doney	12	-	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	18
raiderguy	-	4	-	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	11
Capn34	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	7

Week 10 November 9

Conference: 3pts
Hamline (+41.5) @ St. John's
St. Olaf (+32.5) @ #5 Bethel
Carleton (+10.5) @ Gustavus
#21 Concordia (+7.5) @ #18 St. Thomas

Non-Conference: 2pts
Macalester (+23.5) @ Augsburg

West Region: 1pt
St. Scholastica (+6.5) @ Greenville

National: 1pt
#10 Heidelberg (+5.5) @ #14 John Carroll

[hazzben]

Man, is it just me or is the Pick'em's race unusually close this year? I feel like usually there are a couple guys way out in front of the field.

[art76]

After listening to the D3 Podcast this morning I am surprised to hear that Bethel is in the mix to be the number one seed in the West, and that it might come down to the Regional Rankings, which the first ones are due out this Wednesday from the NCAA. So now I'm pulling for St. Thomas and/or St. John's to stay in with Bethel and Concordia most likely to be there already.  I've been watching for awhile now the SOS rankings and Bethel has been the highest unbeaten team there for at least the last three weeks. It'd be nice if Wartburg could also be posted in the Regional Rankings list, as Bethel beat them at the beginning of the season. Because Bethel hasn't played St. John's yet, if the Johnnies are listed there (at this point in the season) I don't see it as being relevant - yet. As the season winds down the race in the West for end of year rankings looks to be interesting as it unfolds.

[art76]

Man, is it just me or is the Pick'em's race unusually close this year? I feel like usually there are a couple guys way out in front of the field.

As a first year "player" I'm enjoying the closeness - as I think I still have a chance to move up a few spots. It's been fun to see how my thoughts and perceptions of teams play out on the field - or don't. Ugh.

[SJUrube]

NCAA football overtime sucks, it is nothing more than a glorified penalty shots.  The NFL's is bad enough but the NCAA is regoddamndiculous.

I'm in total agreement here...and no this isn't sour grapes from SJU's loss over the weekend. Though they are now 4-4 all-time in OT games.

In principle I don't mind each team getting an equal number of possessions from a fixed spot. My problem is with where that fixed spot starts from. By starting at the 25 yard line a team doesn't have to gain any yards to at least have a chance at a makeable FG. This was basically the case during the 2nd OT at GAC. Both teams attempted their final FG on 4th and 5 from the 20 yard line. It puts the defense in a tough spot while rewarding the offense for simply not turning it over.

I'd prefer each team start with the ball at the opponents 40 yard line. From this starting position a team would have to pick up at least one first down before feeling comfortable with a FG attempt. It would take some pressure off the defense and give OT a similar feel and flow of an actual game.

I doubt it will change. At the higher levels TV seems to enjoy the inflated scores that multiple OTs provide and for the most part I don't think fans mind the current version.

[badgerwarhawk]

Isn't the object of overtime to have one team get a decisive score and win?  I don't really care what fixed spot they use but it makes sense to have it from a spot which increases a team's opportunity to score.  The object is to end the game with a winner not drag it on indefinitely. 

While it isn't perfect at least it gives each team an equal opportunity.  The NFL version, even with the recent modifications, stinks. 

[sfury]

NCAA football overtime sucks, it is nothing more than a glorified penalty shots.  The NFL's is bad enough but the NCAA is regoddamndiculous.

I'm in total agreement here...and no this isn't sour grapes from SJU's loss over the weekend. Though they are now 4-4 all-time in OT games.

In principle I don't mind each team getting an equal number of possessions from a fixed spot. My problem is with where that fixed spot starts from. By starting at the 25 yard line a team doesn't have to gain any yards to at least have a chance at a makeable FG. This was basically the case during the 2nd OT at GAC. Both teams attempted their final FG on 4th and 5 from the 20 yard line. It puts the defense in a tough spot while rewarding the offense for simply not turning it over.

I'd prefer each team start with the ball at the opponents 40 yard line. From this starting position a team would have to pick up at least one first down before feeling comfortable with a FG attempt. It would take some pressure off the defense and give OT a similar feel and flow of an actual game.

I doubt it will change. At the higher levels TV seems to enjoy the inflated scores that multiple OTs provide and for the most part I don't think fans mind the current version.

How weird is it in that eight OT games for SJU, two have ended on halfback passes being intercepted? SJU losing to Eau Claire in 2002 (although I don't know if it was a running back or Elliott who threw it) and SJU winning against Pacific Lutheran in 2000. I mean, how many other OTs throughout college football have ever ended like that?

Speaking of, my senior year at JWP (play to the whistle), we (I wasn't on team) won like 8-7 in OT. Was scoreless in regulation. Opposition scored. JWP scores on 4th down on halfback pass. They go for 2...and score on halfback pass.

What I'm saying is, SJU should have tried a halfback pass Saturday.

[hazzben]

After listening to the D3 Podcast this morning I am surprised to hear that Bethel is in the mix to be the number one seed in the West, and that it might come down to the Regional Rankings, which the first ones are due out this Wednesday from the NCAA. So now I'm pulling for St. Thomas and/or St. John's to stay in with Bethel and Concordia most likely to be there already.  I've been watching for awhile now the SOS rankings and Bethel has been the highest unbeaten team there for at least the last three weeks. It'd be nice if Wartburg could also be posted in the Regional Rankings list, as Bethel beat them at the beginning of the season. Because Bethel hasn't played St. John's yet, if the Johnnies are listed there (at this point in the season) I don't see it as being relevant - yet. As the season winds down the race in the West for end of year rankings looks to be interesting as it unfolds.

I posted this on the West Regional Rankings thread earlier.

It was a brutal weekend for Bethel in terms of the Regional Rankings. At least as brutal as a weekend can be were you stay unbeaten and win by 49 points on the road.

Wartburg and SJU losing cost them possibly 1, if not 2 wins against RRO.

The big question is how much the committee weighs SOS v. win percentage.

I'd love to see UST, SJU and Wartburg get ranked. But is it likely? A lot of quality teams with fewer losses. I think UST and SJU would beat a number of teams that will get ranked in the 6-10 range, but the committee would have to veer in a pretty heavily subjective direction to justify including them. Although their SOS numbers will be solid.

Bottom line, Bethel needs to worry about it can control. Win out and let the chips call where they may. I'm betting at least a few of the unbeatens and one loss teams in the West and North stumble before its over (I.e. a team is going to lose that we don't expect). Bethel needs to make sure they aren't that team.

If we take care of business we'll be in good to great shape come playoff time. But takin a lesson from a few UST players and SID's this year, lets not count our home playoff games before they hatch! I know Olaf and SJU would love to have us looking ahead.

[Johnnie Red]

Out of respect for the Gusties after the win on Saturday, I went to a chicken dinner yesterday afternoon at East Union Lutheran Church southwest of the city of Carver. This was the location of Gustavus from the fall of 1863 till 1876.

[art76]

Week Ten MIAC preview:

Three of this week's games are pretty predictable - Augsburg should beat Macalester, Bethel should beat St. Olaf and St. John's should beat Hamline. Carleton at Gustavus is a bit intriguing, as Carleton seems to have been rejuvenated with the win over St. Olaf. Perhaps they can do to Gustavus what Gustavus did to St. John's. It will be a fun game to watch, that much seems apparent. But I suspect Gustavus will win it and secure a winning season for themselves.

The last game on the docket is easily the best game in the MIAC this week as Concordia travels down to St. Thomas. St. Thomas will be playing their last home game of the season and fighting for an outside chance of getting into post season play if they can finish the season with only two losses. If the Cobbers are able to beat them, then they knock the Tommies out of post season play with a three loss season. And the Cobbers are in control of their own post season playing if they can beat Gustavus at home in the last week of the season.

Looking forward to seeing how it all turns out.

[SagatagSam]

Out of respect for the Gusties after the win on Saturday, I went to a chicken dinner yesterday afternoon at East Union Lutheran Church southwest of the city of Carver. This was the location of Gustavus from the fall of 1863 till 1876.

Johnnie Red: one of few men capable of offering a sincere gesture in a manner so obscure that fewer than 5% of Gusties would recognize it. Bravo.

I would hate to see the degree to which JR's knowledge of Saint John's is superior to mine. It seems I could spend a year down in the SJU archives and not come close.