FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[AO]

I underestimated the East's inflated SOS.  If the MIAC runner up is to get the 5th and final at-large selection they're going to first get a committee who favors strength of schedule and regionally ranked wins over Wabash who will have only 1 loss.  Then you'll need help from either Waynesburg or Morrisville State depending upon who wins the St. John Fisher and Alfred game.  Those teams could knock out a regionally ranked opponent from the Fisher/Alfred resume.

[OzJohnnie]

Wow, tight last week on the pick 'ems.  Top five pickers are all within 2 points of the lead.   And one of those guys is hanging in there despite missing tips one week when travelling.  I reckon that's worth a virtual first place, no?

[ron doney]

Just another thought on video streaming at SJ1...... What are the chances Denis McDonough could get the school a sweetheart deal from CGI Federal?

[ChicagoTommie]

Haha!  There is no dirt on any team that I am aware of.  I was growing weary of reading of how bad the SC Times is and the SJU rube chats!!    So I figured I would start a thread about something else.  Looks like it got folks excited before the 2nd edition of ROR.
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We could combine storylines and memes to get some talk going:

Does anyone know if the person in the SC Times chat was correct when they said Glenn Caruso would leave St. Thomas for greener pastures and replace Kurt Ram(b)ler as offensive coordinator for the Bethel game and install the wishbone offense with a new tough quarterback and that Gary Fasching will serve as defensive coordinator -- with a mustache -- in a game that will be broadcast on a webcast with a confused Dave Lee providing play-by-play for the 8 p.m. contest that will serve as the first Johnnies night game in program history, one that could vault the Tommies into the playoffs because Bethel will be playing with a defensive lineman who is ineligible due to his violation of the school's strict no-dancing laws?
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Thanks for the laugh! Good One

[sjusection105]

/pours shot of whiskey
//exhales a big sigh
///swallows pride
////then swallows whiskey

GO JOHNNIES!!!!

/////hangs head in shame
/////leaves room while slowing closing the door

WC11- that's about as close as you'll get to being a Johnnies fan...but I'll take it 

[DuffMan]

It won't be long and WC11 will be berating the SJU coaches and newspaper reporters via anonymous web chats! 

[art76]

Why Bethel University should be ranked #1 in the country for seeding at the end of the year

1.Earlier I posted about the SOS and how it will right itself after Saturday's upcoming games. As a refresher - BU plays a tougher opponent than UWW this week. That coupled with a better opponents-opponents record will put it there at the end of week eleven play. Advantage BU.

2. Bethel will have at worst a 3 and 0 record against Regionally Ranked Opponents (with an outside shot at 4 and 0 depending on the final rankings we don't see), the best Whitewater can do is 3 and 0. Slight Advantage BU.

3. Probably Bethel will be 10 and 0 at the end of the season and Whitewater will probably only be 9 and 0 in the eyes of the committee, as they played an NAIA team during the year. We all know that statistically a 9 and 1 team is better than an 8 and 1 team, even though they both have a single loss. Similar logic applies here in that BU gets a "better record" in scheduling 10 NCAA teams than UWW did in only scheduling 9 NCAA teams. Advantage BU.

It will just escape me if UWW, or anyone else for that matter, can be ranked above BU in the Regional Rankings at the end of the year if all three of the above criteria come to bear.

For this week, I can kind of see it because BU hasn't played St. John's yet and the SOS scores got reversed because BU played the bottom of their conference last week. But if Bethel wins this week the SOS ship rights itself and the rest of the criteria come into play.

I think it would be wonderful if Bethel never had to travel until the fifth week of the playoffs. 

[bleedpurple]

Why Bethel University should be ranked #1 in the country for seeding at the end of the year

1.Earlier I posted about the SOS and how it will right itself after Saturday's upcoming games. As a refresher - BU plays a tougher opponent than UWW this week. That coupled with a better opponents-opponents record will put it there at the end of week eleven play. Advantage BU.

2. Bethel will have at worst a 3 and 0 record against Regionally Ranked Opponents (with an outside shot at 4 and 0 depending on the final rankings we don't see), the best Whitewater can do is 3 and 0. Slight Advantage BU.

3. Probably Bethel will be 10 and 0 at the end of the season and Whitewater will probably only be 9 and 0 in the eyes of the committee, as they played an NAIA team during the year. We all know that statistically a 9 and 1 team is better than an 8 and 1 team, even though they both have a single loss. Similar logic applies here in that BU gets a "better record" in scheduling 10 NCAA teams than UWW did in only scheduling 9 NCAA teams. Advantage BU.

It will just escape me if UWW, or anyone else for that matter, can be ranked above BU in the Regional Rankings at the end of the year if all three of the above criteria come to bear.

For this week, I can kind of see it because BU hasn't played St. John's yet and the SOS scores got reversed because BU played the bottom of their conference last week. But if Bethel wins this week the SOS ship rights itself and the rest of the criteria come into play.

I think it would be wonderful if Bethel never had to travel until the fifth week of the playoffs. 

1. The adjustment will probably leave them very even and a negligible factor for either team.
2. This is a mirage. Bethel will not have 4 RRO. Plus one of UW-W's RRO will be a one loss team. Advantage UW-W.
3. Not a big enough deal to change a #1 seed. The people on the committee recognizes that UW-W can only play who picks up the phone.

I don't see anything in your entire list that outweighs the fact that one of UW-W's RRO's will be a one loss team. 

To be honest, at the end of the day, if they both take care of business, they will both be #1 seeds.  I'm thinking UW-W moves north and Bethel is #1 in the west.  Maybe the West will be bracketed with the South this year and the whole topic will be moot. 

[art76]

To be honest, at the end of the day, if they both take care of business, they will both be #1 seeds.  I'm thinking UW-W moves north and Bethel is #1 in the west.  Maybe the West will be bracketed with the South this year and the whole topic will be moot.

Agreed. It is splitting hairs - but it's also bragging rights. 

Put the West and South brackets together against the North and East brackets together and let 'em duke it out. I think the parity in the top 10 teams is the best that it has been in a long time. It's going to be a great post season, but let's "first take care of business."

[Texas Ole]

What happens if a team was found using players that were ineligible on its football team?  Do they forfeit all wins for the season or just the games certain players played in? 

Does the 2nd place team in that conference get the auto bid into the playoffs?

Plus, when was the last time coach Meidt was brought up on this board and where has his football career gone?  Last I thought he was linebacker coach for the bears around 5-6 years ago.

Do you have some insider info that we should be expecting to come to light?

If I remember correctly, he was the QB coach for the Washington R-words, but lost his job when Shanahan took over, and has sinced moved on to being some regional vp type at walmart.

Indeed, a quick google search revealed the article that I believe was originally posted by someone here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/locked-out-former-redskins-assistant-chris-meidt-is-called-down-another-aisle-in-life/2011/03/10/AFpRmDAD_story.html

Last I heard he was still at Wal-Mart.  There was a rumor he was up for the St. Olaf job when OJ left.  I don't think he was a real candidate with the way he left St. Olaf.  I think he has to work at Wal-Mart for a few more years due to his contract with them.  My guess is he will resurface shortly with a D1 or NFL team.  He's got the references now to be a candidate for one of those positions.  My preference would be to purge most of what Meidt has left at St. Olaf.  Several coaches at St. Olaf have needed to be shown the door from the football program for some time.  It may be true about a few other sports.  St. Olaf is a learning community, and I am not sure they bring a lot to the community on any level.

[hazzben]

Why Bethel University should be ranked #1 in the country for seeding at the end of the year

1.Earlier I posted about the SOS and how it will right itself after Saturday's upcoming games. As a refresher - BU plays a tougher opponent than UWW this week. That coupled with a better opponents-opponents record will put it there at the end of week eleven play. Advantage BU.

2. Bethel will have at worst a 3 and 0 record against Regionally Ranked Opponents (with an outside shot at 4 and 0 depending on the final rankings we don't see), the best Whitewater can do is 3 and 0. Slight Advantage BU.

3. Probably Bethel will be 10 and 0 at the end of the season and Whitewater will probably only be 9 and 0 in the eyes of the committee, as they played an NAIA team during the year. We all know that statistically a 9 and 1 team is better than an 8 and 1 team, even though they both have a single loss. Similar logic applies here in that BU gets a "better record" in scheduling 10 NCAA teams than UWW did in only scheduling 9 NCAA teams. Advantage BU.

It will just escape me if UWW, or anyone else for that matter, can be ranked above BU in the Regional Rankings at the end of the year if all three of the above criteria come to bear.

For this week, I can kind of see it because BU hasn't played St. John's yet and the SOS scores got reversed because BU played the bottom of their conference last week. But if Bethel wins this week the SOS ship rights itself and the rest of the criteria come into play.

I think it would be wonderful if Bethel never had to travel until the fifth week of the playoffs. 

1. The adjustment will probably leave them very even and a negligible factor for either team. If it's 3-0 v. RRO for each team, and one has a  .010 SoS advantage, it could definitely come into play, which is why the Wartburg, Wash U and BVU games matter all the more.
2. This is a mirage. Bethel will not have 4 RRO. Plus one of UW-W's RRO will be a one loss team. Advantage UW-W. This assumes the loser of UWP/UWO stays ranked. Possibly, maybe probably, but not a lock with 2 loss Redlands and one loss Chapman, SNC and CSS just off the board. I don't think we can say at this point whose advantage it is. But yes, Bethel will not be 4-0 v. RRO, unless they lose to SJU, in which case this entire debate is a moot point.
3. Not a big enough deal to change a #1 seed. The people on the committee recognizes that UW-W can only play who picks up the phone. I don't think you can assume this.

I don't see anything in your entire list that outweighs the fact that one of UW-W's RRO's will be a one loss team. 

To be honest, at the end of the day, if they both take care of business, they will both be #1 seeds.  I'm thinking UW-W moves north and Bethel is #1 in the west.  Maybe the West will be bracketed with the South this year and the whole topic will be moot.

Here's a wildcard no one is discussing. It's not just that UWW is 9-0 with a win and Bethel is 10-0. Whitewater needs to hope no one on the committee connects the dots of their 10th game. They beat abysmal Waldorf, sitting at 1-9. But because Waldorf is not a DIII opponent, they aren't being calculated in the SoS data.

Is there anything that stops the committee from sitting down and saying, 'hey, lets take a look at the other team UWW beat, that isn't being calculated in the SoS number -  Oh, boy, that's a bad team.' If it was tabulated, now there would be a larger margin of difference in SoS.

I say this, because lets say UWW had scheduled St. Cloud St and won. So technically their are only 9-0. But you have to think the Whitewater faithful would be pointing this out. And that the committee would likely consider it, even if they aren't technically supposed to.

[hazzben]

Last I heard he was still at Wal-Mart.  There was a rumor he was up for the St. Olaf job when OJ left.  I don't think he was a real candidate with the way he left St. Olaf.  I think he has to work at Wal-Mart for a few more years due to his contract with them. My guess is he will resurface shortly with a D1 or NFL team.  He's got the references now to be a candidate for one of those positions.  My preference would be to purge most of what Meidt has left at St. Olaf.  Several coaches at St. Olaf have needed to be shown the door from the football program for some time.  It may be true about a few other sports.  St. Olaf is a learning community, and I am not sure they bring a lot to the community on any level.

DI, maybe. NFL, not a chance. His references aren't that good, they all go back to horrible Washington Redskins teams. Jim Zorn, his in with the Redskins and NFL, doesn't even have an NFL job right now. Add to that, Meidt has been out of coaching for way too long to get back into the NFL. And I'm not sure he wants to. If that was his ultimate goal, he'd have sought another coaching gig after Washington. He had to know that by going the Walmart route he was in essence killing his future NFL coaching opportunities.

The other piece being, he's approaching the new season career-wise  as an opportunity to make money and secure his financial future. I don't think he's interested in the level of pay he'd get at a DIII school or that he'd want to go back to Olaf.

Now, if Caruso actually left UST (which I'm not predicting) would Meidt be enticed by that situation? Possibly. He'd get payed better than he did at Olaf and he'd have better resources at his disposal. Still a long time out of coaching, and I don't know if UST would want him.

[cobbernation]

Haha!  There is no dirt on any team that I am aware of.  I was growing weary of reading of how bad the SC Times is and the SJU rube chats!!    So I figured I would start a thread about something else.  Looks like it got folks excited before the 2nd edition of ROR.

Maybe I'm being overly sensitive, but this is just a tool shed move to pull. You've got a bunch of people waiting for the other shoe to drop and all assuming the worst about Coach Johnson and the Bethel program. I didn't find it humorous in the slightest, immature, yes. 

Wasn't trying to be humorous at all and I wasn't implying at all about Bethel.  Coach Johnson has built a great program and I don't think kids would do anything to jeopardize it. 

Take a breath, Bethel is in the playoffs and you have nothing to worry about.

I guess I may stick mostly to my comments about Moorhead and Montana.

[wildcat11]

I've never been to Bethel's field but if they get that one seed is that grass field going to be able to hold up for 3-4 home playoff games?

[cobbernation]

What happens if a team was found using players that were ineligible on its football team?  Do they forfeit all wins for the season or just the games certain players played in? 

Does the 2nd place team in that conference get the auto bid into the playoffs?

Plus, when was the last time coach Meidt was brought up on this board and where has his football career gone?  Last I thought he was linebacker coach for the bears around 5-6 years ago.

Wow! what gives??? drop a bomb like that and go off line? I hope you're not alluding to something...please share.

Haha!  There is no dirt on any team that I am aware of.  I was growing weary of reading of how bad the SC Times is and the SJU rube chats!!    So I figured I would start a thread about something else.  Looks like it got folks excited before the 2nd edition of ROR.

By asking if the 2nd place team would get the automatic bid, you were implying that Bethel had a ineligible player - not nice!!!   

Wasn't implying at all.  I even used the joking, big toothed smiling emoticon with a HAHA when I said there is no dirt on any team.

Let's move on.  You know what Johnnie posters when is the next SJU online chat?  Maybe I will listen to get an idea of your posts about it.