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[sjusection105]

Horrific story about a future Johnnie. Dawson-Boyd running back Michael Anyasike died after running from a rural party that was busted. Cause of death has not been released, although I heard exposure was a possibility.

strib.mn/1g1a00c

Anyone who grew up in a small town has been to those parties and they get busted all of the time and kids run from them all the time. But this doesn't happen. If anything I could see this happening 20 or 30 years ago. But in the cell phone era, hard to believe.

I can't help but think how ridiculous it is that an 18 year old should have to worry about the police just because he was drinking beer.

Read about this too...his highlights are available on Hudl.  Terribly tragic and senseless.  Been a tough week considering the accidents in Northfield and Sleepy Eye and now this. Hug your kids tonight.

Yes, a shame.

This line is interesting:

What led to Anyasike's death has not been disclosed. The county coroner, Dr. Ralph Gerbig, said, "We're continuing to investigate [his] situation."

Why would that be?  Before I read the article I assumed he died of exposure.  Maybe there is some sort of culpability on the part of the party organizers being that he was underage?

First I agree this was a tragedy. There have been too many young people dying around Minnesota in very tragic circumstances in the past two weeks.

Second, I am quite certain when the authorities find who supplied the booze there will be charges brought and now it is possible to have something like involuntary manslaughter in the mix as well.

[OzJohnnie]

A question for the legal eagles here that I find interesting:

If someone is aged in the majority (over 17) but under the limit on drinking (under 21) what sort of culpability does the supplier of the alcohol have for the drinker's behavior?  Is it any different than a supplier has with someone of legal age?

Also, in Oz the legal age for alcohol is 18, but in the first two years of a driver's license (also available at 18) the limit while driving is 0.00, total absence, regardless of age (going up to 0.08 after that).  I've grown quite comfortable with that arrangement because I've seen how respectful my friends' kids are with the designated driver responsibility.  I was particularly impressed by an event this weekend where a young man joined our golf group and declined a beer at the club house because he was driving.  Anyway, I think the Aussies have better balanced the liberty of new adults with the responsibilities of driving.  Now if they could just get their tax effective savings structure right...

Note: yes, I am not settled with the thought that I have friends with 18-year-olds.

[sjusection105]

Note: yes, I am not settled with the thought that I have friends with 18-year-olds.

Wait until your friend's kids are getting married or... start having children...... reality sets in,you are old! (I'm older  )

[RoyalsFan]

I can't help but think how ridiculous it is that an 18 year old should have to worry about the police just because he was drinking beer.

Those are my thoughts also. I just don't understand how the government considers 18 to be an adult and mature enough to serve and die for their country, get married and have children but yet consider it too young and immature to be able to legally drink a beer - absolutely ridiculous. 

[ChicagoTommie]

I have never heard of this horrible situation happening with such regular occurrence up north before...This would be extremely rare down here in Chicago, but after this current Winter with this F@#king polar vortex I guess it could happen.  Typically in Chicago the cops come break up the party, usually after many complaints.... and the cops give everybody a chance to disperse lawfully...basically don't drive, "we are watching the cars" and so on.  Most kids down here say this... "Cops are here kill the music...party is over! cops leaves the house people trickle out and walk to the nearest Greek restaurant, Denny's, doughnut shop, etc.... wait for the cops to leave the area (watching the house)  so they can retrieve their cars.

I guess in small towns they raid the house and arrest the kids?  Who is going to complain if its a lonely farm house?  The cows?  I think that there is something more to story...or I don't get it.... its seems weird that the cops would raid a house party at a farm house just because of underage drinking. Just a Thought or maybe you have some pretty bored & aggressive cops up there!

Just Horrible I hate to hear this kind of crap.... senseless!

[Retired Old Rat]

I can't help but think how ridiculous it is that an 18 year old should have to worry about the police just because he was drinking beer.

Those are my thoughts also. I just don't understand how the government considers 18 to be an adult and mature enough to serve and die for their country, get married and have children but yet consider it too young and immature to be able to legally drink a beer - absolutely ridiculous.

I typed the same response yesterday and thought the better of it.  I expect others will voice vocal opposition to this.  When my kids turned 18, I told them all they could have a beer or glass of wine at home.  No sharing with friends, I don't know if their parents were in agreement.  They all knew, without me saying it, that moderation was a requirement to continue the privilege. 

When I was 18 I was of legal age in Minnesota.  And look how I turned out.

[DuffMan]

I guess in small towns they raid the house and arrest the kids?  Who is going to complain if its a lonely farm house?  The cows?  I think that there is something more to story...or I don't get it.... its seems weird that the cops would raid a house party at a farm house just because of underage drinking. Just a Thought or maybe you have some pretty bored & aggressive cops up there!

It's quite common in rural Minnesota.  Parties are busted like this all the time.  I may have escaped through swamps, fields, or woods once or twice in my day.  Gravel pits, corn fields, etc. are often great places for parties when you're < 21. 

[BDB]

I lived on the edge of Sartell when you were < 21 Duff, and I think I chased you off of my land once or twice. 

[OzJohnnie]

I can't help but think how ridiculous it is that an 18 year old should have to worry about the police just because he was drinking beer.

Those are my thoughts also. I just don't understand how the government considers 18 to be an adult and mature enough to serve and die for their country, get married and have children but yet consider it too young and immature to be able to legally drink a beer - absolutely ridiculous.

I typed the same response yesterday and thought the better of it.  I expect others will voice vocal opposition to this.  When my kids turned 18, I told them all they could have a beer or glass of wine at home.  No sharing with friends, I don't know if their parents were in agreement.  They all knew, without me saying it, that moderation was a requirement to continue the privilege. 

When I was 18 I was of legal age in Minnesota.  And look how I turned out.

I'm with you, ROR.  One of a parent's key responsibilities is teaching their kids how to be responsible.

The unintended consequence of legislation like this is that it makes it harder (and even illegal) for responsible parents to be responsible and exacerbates irresponsible behavior by encouraging more dangerous law breaking in order to avoid being caught.

[DuffMan]

I lived on the edge of Sartell when you were < 21 Duff, and I think I chased you off of my land once or twice. 

Not me!  We would never have had the audacity to party somewhere unless we knew the owner!  I do find an awful lot of empties on our property at the lake.  Being that I am the youngest at nearly 33, I doubt that my B-I-Ls are the culprits, so I think some of the local New London and Sunburg kids may be to blame! 

[AO]

I lived on the edge of Sartell when you were < 21 Duff, and I think I chased you off of my land once or twice. 

Not me!  We would never have had the audacity to party somewhere unless we knew the owner!  I do find an awful lot of empties on our property at the lake.  Being that I am the youngest at nearly 33, I doubt that my B-I-Ls are the culprits, so I think some of the local New London and Sunburg kids may be to blame! 

Norway Lake?  Over on Lake Florida we'd blame it on the Spicer kids.

[DuffMan]

Norway Lake?  Over on Lake Florida we'd blame it on the Spicer kids.

Are you on Florida?  We're on the north side of Games Lake.

[AO]

Norway Lake?  Over on Lake Florida we'd blame it on the Spicer kids.

Are you on Florida?  We're on the north side of Games Lake.

Not me personally, thankfully I have other family members crazy enough to have taken ownership and do all the upkeep.   Love the Kandiyohi lakes, usually a good 5-10 degrees warmer than Brainerd.

[hazzben]

Tragic news. No other way to put it.

Here's the part of the article that confused me:

Social host ordinance

Authorities haven't said where the underage drinkers at the party obtained alcohol, but the county has a social host law, which holds criminally responsible any adult who allows a group of people under 21 to drink alcohol on public or private property. The deputy said 20 vehicles were parked at the farmhouse Saturday night.

The farmhouse is owned by Gary Hastad, who lives up the street. His brother, Keith, the farmhouse's previous owner, died in a grain bin accident at the farm in 2010. The farmhouse is now vacant, and calls to Gary Hastad were not returned.

Assuming Hastad didn't know about the party before hand, I'd hope they'd pursue charges against anyone who knowing supplied the alcohol, not to the guy who's land the party happened on (again, assuming he wasn't in the know). I would hope the 'allows' language means if he didn't know he's not responsible. Common sense would seem to dictate as much.

[sjusection105]

Tragic news. No other way to put it.

Here's the part of the article that confused me:

Social host ordinance

Authorities haven't said where the underage drinkers at the party obtained alcohol, but the county has a social host law, which holds criminally responsible any adult who allows a group of people under 21 to drink alcohol on public or private property. The deputy said 20 vehicles were parked at the farmhouse Saturday night.

The farmhouse is owned by Gary Hastad, who lives up the street. His brother, Keith, the farmhouse's previous owner, died in a grain bin accident at the farm in 2010. The farmhouse is now vacant, and calls to Gary Hastad were not returned.

Assuming Hastad didn't know about the party before hand, I'd hope they'd pursue charges against anyone who knowing supplied the alcohol, not to the guy who's land the party happened on (again, assuming he wasn't in the know). I would hope the 'allows' language means if he didn't know he's not responsible. Common sense would seem to dictate as much.

I am not a lawyer but I agree common sense would mean those who supply not some unknowing land owner.
We need Finsleft or Johnnie Red to pipe in here.
This would be a tragic unintended consequence of this law if an unknowing land owner would potentially be held responsible for an incident such as this.
Duffman brings up a good point about seasonal lake  property. If a group of kids decide to park their pontoon off your dock in the middle of the week and throw a party...and you are 100 miles away how can you be held responsible?