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[AO]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

[sjusection105]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

I believe RPI has the same situation with their hockey program.

[badgerwarhawk]

Colorado College is also a mixture of D3 and a D1 hockey program.   

[OzJohnnie]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

They won the DI national championship without scholarship players?  That's impressive.  Hoosiers-like material.  I expect a Hollywood blockbuster inside two years.

[faunch]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

I didn't say I had a problem with it...just doesn't make sense to me...I just don't get it.  I can understand D2 schools playing up to D1 because there isn't D2 hockey.  If a D3 school wants to have a D1 hockey program then go D1 in everything or stay D3 in everything....ok maybe I have a slight problem with it...it just is kind of weird.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

I didn't say I had a problem with it...just doesn't make sense to me...I just don't get it.  I can understand D2 schools playing up to D1 because there isn't D2 hockey.  If a D3 school wants to have a D1 hockey program then go D1 in everything or stay D3 in everything....ok maybe I have a slight problem with it...it just is kind of weird.

There are other examples as well.  Johns Hopkins is D1 in LaCrosse (though D3 now has LaX), and they often go far in the tourney.  (There are other examples in other sports as well, though I'm drawing a blank on who they are.)

[BDB]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

They won the DI national championship without scholarship players?  That's impressive.  Hoosiers-like material.  I expect a Hollywood blockbuster inside two years.

The announcers said the didn't give out scholarships, but did utilize financial aid for the hockey players.

[dahlby]

I believe Colorado College is also D1 in hockey, although I am not sure regarding athletic scholarships.

[AO]

Can someone explain to me how Union College can be D1 in hockey yet D3 in just all other sports.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

They were grandfathered in when they changed the rules.  They don't give out scholarships and even if they did the scholarship players wouldn't be allowed to play in the d3 sports as well.  I don't see the problem.

They won the DI national championship without scholarship players?  That's impressive.  Hoosiers-like material.  I expect a Hollywood blockbuster inside two years.

The announcers said the didn't give out scholarships, but did utilize financial aid for the hockey players.

I would hope so considering they charge $60,000 per year for tuition, room and board.  The part that I watched didn't look much like Hoosiers.  Union's players probably weren't as talented based on the fewer number of NHL draft picks but they were clearly older.  Hockey's system of going to the juniors before college is the truly odd part.  It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

[sjusection105]

  Hockey's system of going to the juniors before college is the truly odd part.  It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

This is not unusual. But I agree that 22 yr. old freshmen is a bit odd.

I have a cousin who did his grad. work at UND in the mid-80's- as a TA he had many Canadian 22 yr. old freshmen in his 101 level courses that he was instructed to "get through the class"

[Pat Coleman]

It doesn't seem that these schools gain a lot of D-III success out of their D-I hockey, lacrosse, women's soccer programs and the like. D-III membership last voted on this topic about a decade ago and the grandfathering system was allowed to remain in place and I think that's fine.

It is not permissible to "play up" in a "revenue" sport, namely football or basketball.

[BDB]

   It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

Young men that play junior hockey have to live by the rules of their league, their team and the rules of the "Host Family" that they live with. They keep a strict schedule of practice, travel, games, part-time work and often take local college or online classes.

I don't see how this discipline would mess with their "social development" anymore than some immature 18 year old going away from the parents for the first time.

Otherwise, the argument could be made that someone going into the military for a couple years and then enrolling in college as a 21-22 year old freshman is somehow having their "social development" messed with.

[AO]

   It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

Young men that play junior hockey have to live by the rules of their league, their team and the rules of the "Host Family" that they live with. They keep a strict schedule of practice, travel, games, part-time work and often take local college or online classes.

I don't see how this discipline would mess with their "social development" anymore than some immature 18 year old going away from the parents for the first time.

Otherwise, the argument could be made that someone going into the military for a couple years and then enrolling in college as a 21-22 year old freshman is somehow having their "social development" messed with.

It's a disadvantage, but it's not impossible to overcome.  Just a tradeoff you make when you choose to home-school or join the military.  You're missing social interactions with people in your age group.  As Faunch said, that makes it "odd" but it isn't wrong.

The fact that the juniors level exists at all is also odd.  It seems like they could come up with some other system like Basketball uses with the AAU summer ball in order to get the elite kids more competition without having to move to a different state.

[OzJohnnie]

   It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

Young men that play junior hockey have to live by the rules of their league, their team and the rules of the "Host Family" that they live with. They keep a strict schedule of practice, travel, games, part-time work and often take local college or online classes.

I don't see how this discipline would mess with their "social development" anymore than some immature 18 year old going away from the parents for the first time.

Otherwise, the argument could be made that someone going into the military for a couple years and then enrolling in college as a 21-22 year old freshman is somehow having their "social development" messed with.

Hey!  I resemble that remark!

Better argument in next post.

[OzJohnnie]

   It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

Young men that play junior hockey have to live by the rules of their league, their team and the rules of the "Host Family" that they live with. They keep a strict schedule of practice, travel, games, part-time work and often take local college or online classes.

I don't see how this discipline would mess with their "social development" anymore than some immature 18 year old going away from the parents for the first time.

Otherwise, the argument could be made that someone going into the military for a couple years and then enrolling in college as a 21-22 year old freshman is somehow having their "social development" messed with.

It's a disadvantage, but it's not impossible to overcome.  Just a tradeoff you make when you choose to home-school or join the military.  You're missing social interactions with people in your age group.  As Faunch said, that makes it "odd" but it isn't wrong.

The fact that the juniors level exists at all is also odd.  It seems like they could come up with some other system like Basketball uses with the AAU summer ball in order to get the elite kids more competition without having to move to a different state.

Home schooling = military for social interaction?

You realize that the military, particularly the US, the the world's elite center of social interaction studies, right?  Starting with boot, all training is about team work, joint problem solving, assuming responsibility with people that are, gasp, your own age.

And in contrast you offer college as the training ground for social skills development?  The home of the narcissist? The place where victimhood and selfishness is honored as an art form?  Birthplace of the sensitive new age man, beta male and metrosexual?  I'll pause now to let you concede that of all the possible arguments against mature aged studies, you picked the worst one.

And to continue, what about the 70% of the population that doesn't get a college degree? Any social skills amongst that rabble?  Let's ask Bill Gates. Oh, cannot. He probably would drool on us and crap on the spot as he has neither a college degree or social skills.