FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[BDB]

The fact that the juniors level exists at all is also odd.  It seems like they could come up with some other system like Basketball uses with the AAU summer ball in order to get the elite kids more competition without having to move to a different state.

To AO:
Almost all junior hockey leagues are made up of 18-20 year old players that graduated from their home high schools while living with their parents.

They go to juniors after high school in hopes of attracting a college scholarship mainly. I'm sure they all hope to get some sort of pro opportunity as well somewhere down the road. If that doesn't work out (and it usually doesn't) and they still want to play the sport they love and go to college is where D3 comes in to play.

Virtually all of the WIAC hockey players have played a couple years in juniors before college and I'll bet the same is true in the MIAC. I've known dozens of these players over the years and have been very impressed with most of them.

To Oz:

Bravo!

EDIT: To tie this conversation together, I see where SJU has a current player on the roster who played for Champlin HS, then played juniors (USHL) in Waterloo IA., then went to college and ended up transferring to SJU from.....Union College(NY)!!!

[AO]

   It has to be messing with their social development to come to school as 22 year old freshmen.

Young men that play junior hockey have to live by the rules of their league, their team and the rules of the "Host Family" that they live with. They keep a strict schedule of practice, travel, games, part-time work and often take local college or online classes.

I don't see how this discipline would mess with their "social development" anymore than some immature 18 year old going away from the parents for the first time.

Otherwise, the argument could be made that someone going into the military for a couple years and then enrolling in college as a 21-22 year old freshman is somehow having their "social development" messed with.

It's a disadvantage, but it's not impossible to overcome.  Just a tradeoff you make when you choose to home-school or join the military.  You're missing social interactions with people in your age group.  As Faunch said, that makes it "odd" but it isn't wrong.

The fact that the juniors level exists at all is also odd.  It seems like they could come up with some other system like Basketball uses with the AAU summer ball in order to get the elite kids more competition without having to move to a different state.

Home schooling = military for social interaction?

You realize that the military, particularly the US, the the world's elite center of social interaction studies, right?  Starting with boot, all training is about team work, joint problem solving, assuming responsibility with people that are, gasp, your own age.

And in contrast you offer college as the training ground for social skills development?  The home of the narcissist? The place where victimhood and selfishness is honored as an art form?  Birthplace of the sensitive new age man, beta male and metrosexual?  I'll pause now to let you concede that of all the possible arguments against mature aged studies, you picked the worst one.

And to continue, what about the 70% of the population that doesn't get a college degree? Any social skills amongst that rabble?  Let's ask Bill Gates. Oh, cannot. He probably would drool on us and crap on the spot as he has neither a college degree or social skills.

again! I'm not saying home schoolers or people who join the military instead of college are permanently disadvantaged socially.  I'm merely talking about the friendships and connections built during college that are harder to come by once you're in your mid 20s.  Not impossible or unlikely, just harder.

The fact that the juniors level exists at all is also odd.  It seems like they could come up with some other system like Basketball uses with the AAU summer ball in order to get the elite kids more competition without having to move to a different state.

To AO:
Almost all junior hockey leagues are made up of 18-20 year old players that graduated from their home high schools while living with their parents.

They go to juniors after high school in hopes of attracting a college scholarship mainly. I'm sure they all hope to get some sort of pro opportunity as well somewhere down the road. If that doesn't work out (and it usually doesn't) and they still want to play the sport they love and go to college is where D3 comes in to play.

The strib had a whole series of articles recently about all the Minnesota kids leaving after their junior year of high school to go play in the juniors.  With all the talent in the state, it's never going to make sense to me that they can't play on a traveling team based in Minnesota.

[OzJohnnie]

First, AO, I have to thank you because it's been a long time since we've had a senseless topic to debate senselessly with righteous righteousness.

Second, you're a complete idiot.

again! I'm not saying home schoolers or people who join the military instead of college are permanently disadvantaged socially.  I'm merely talking about the friendships and connections built during college that are harder to come by once you're in your mid 20s.  Not impossible or unlikely, just harder.

[Note: I was going to say something about crazy weakness your argument that military service ipso facto results in some social disadvantage, permanent or not, completely disregarding the social advantage it may confer that a 'regular' college student will never access.  But then I felt guilty about my second point above.  To be clear, I don't think you're a complete idiot.  )

[Also, I wanted to use this quote which I love but for the opposite reason than I suspect the author wrote it: "Join the Army! Travel to exotic, distant lands. Meet exciting, unusual people, and kill them."   I couldn't find a way to use to I'm just throwing it in here to make me chuckle.  Hell, yeah.  U-rah.]

[BDB]

With all the talent in the state, it's never going to make sense to me that they can't play on a traveling team based in Minnesota.

There is. It's called Shattuck-St. Mary's.

[AO]

First, AO, I have to thank you because it's been a long time since we've had a senseless topic to debate senselessly with righteous righteousness.

Second, you're a complete idiot.

again! I'm not saying home schoolers or people who join the military instead of college are permanently disadvantaged socially.  I'm merely talking about the friendships and connections built during college that are harder to come by once you're in your mid 20s.  Not impossible or unlikely, just harder.

[Note: I was going to say something about crazy weakness your argument that military service ipso facto results in some social disadvantage, permanent or not, completely disregarding the social advantage it may confer that a 'regular' college student will never access.  But then I felt guilty about my second point above.  To be clear, I don't think you're a complete idiot.  )

[Also, I wanted to use this quote which I love but for the opposite reason than I suspect the author wrote it: "Join the Army! Travel to exotic, distant lands. Meet exciting, unusual people, and kill them."   I couldn't find a way to use to I'm just throwing it in here to make me chuckle.  Hell, yeah.  U-rah.]

I agree.  I'm a complete idiot.   But that doesn't mean you're not sacrificing something when you enter the military for 6 years.  Obviously for a lot of people the advantages of joining the military outweigh the disadvantages.

With all the talent in the state, it's never going to make sense to me that they can't play on a traveling team based in Minnesota.

There is. It's called Shattuck-St. Mary's.

That's practically Iowa.  You might as well move to Vancouver.  Perhaps all that's needed is to strengthen the existing elite fall leagues, etc...

[OzJohnnie]

I agree.  I'm a complete idiot.   But that doesn't mean you're not sacrificing something when you enter the military for 6 years.  Obviously for a lot of people the advantages of joining the military outweigh the disadvantages.

Cripes.  Making me get all serious here.  Horses for courses.  Different strokes for different folks.  If you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with.

Where would we be with out cliches?  Up s**t creek without a paddle, that's where.

[BDB]

That's practically Iowa.  You might as well move to Vancouver.  Perhaps all that's needed is to strengthen the existing elite fall leagues, etc...

40 minutes south of the Metro is not almost Iowa, or Vancouver.

And nothing is needed, as you put it, except in your Strib based mentality. If it wasn't working it wouldn't work.

This is still a free country last I looked. Parents can decide to send their kids to private schools in other states if they choose, to play hockey or otherwise.

However, back to junior hockey, the vast majority of players are in leagues that consist of 18-21 year old high school graduates.

I'm done.

[AO]

That's practically Iowa.  You might as well move to Vancouver.  Perhaps all that's needed is to strengthen the existing elite fall leagues, etc...

40 minutes south of the Metro is not almost Iowa, or Vancouver.

And nothing is needed, as you put it, except in your Strib based mentality. If it wasn't working it wouldn't work.

This is still a free country last I looked.

Definitely the first time I've been pegged as someone with a Strib mentality.  I don't think kids leaving school early to play Juniors is ruining the state tournament.  I do think it's odd that the "state of hockey" sends players to Omaha to develop their skills before college.

[AO]

In other news:

Michael Juberian, star Augsburg linebacker, faces felony charge for Dinkytown riot

"One individual in particular, subsequently identified as [Juberian], threw numerous bottles at police officers," the complaint continues. "After the defendant would throw the bottles, he would run to find more, come back and continue throwing them at the officers."

But that wasn't all.

"[Juberian] moved to a bus shelter, found a rock and threw that at police officers, then found a chunk of concrete the size of a baseball and threw it at officers," the complaint adds. "The concrete landed on an officer's foot."

Officers were eventually able to subdue Juberian with a "stun blow."

[GoldandBlueBU]

In other news:

Michael Juberian, star Augsburg linebacker, faces felony charge for Dinkytown riot

"One individual in particular, subsequently identified as [Juberian], threw numerous bottles at police officers," the complaint continues. "After the defendant would throw the bottles, he would run to find more, come back and continue throwing them at the officers."

But that wasn't all.

"[Juberian] moved to a bus shelter, found a rock and threw that at police officers, then found a chunk of concrete the size of a baseball and threw it at officers," the complaint adds. "The concrete landed on an officer's foot."

Officers were eventually able to subdue Juberian with a "stun blow."

See Oz! AO was right!  Look at all of the social development this kid was able to come across by going to college rather than the military.  He has so many advantages now, especially by expanding his network of contacts to the Department of Corrections.  Think how much he would have missed out on in the military.

Edit: I also see that he spent two years at UST.  Things are starting to become clear...

[AO]

See Oz! AO was right!  Look at all of the social development this kid was able to come across by going to college rather than the military.  He has so many advantages now, especially by expanding his network of contacts to the Department of Corrections.  Think how much he would have missed out on in the military.

+K

[DuffMan]

Didn't Marcus Levesseur get tagged for throwing things at cops a few years ago?  What's with Auggies and throwing things at police officers??? 

[GoldandBlueBU]

Didn't Marcus Levesseur get tagged for throwing things at cops a few years ago?  What's with Auggies and throwing things at police officers??? 

Didn't you just hire one?

Keep your head on a swivel at work...

[hazzben]

Didn't Marcus Levesseur get tagged for throwing things at cops a few years ago?  What's with Auggies and throwing things at police officers??? 

Didn't you just hire one?

Keep your head on a swivel at work...

Ha!!

Seriously though, shaking my head at this behavior. It sounds like something off the TMZ wire. I will say though, it sounds like Juberain would fit right in with the 49ers. Maybe he's just trying to improve his pro stock 

The real question is what Haegge does in response. Is he tossed from the team? A multi-game suspension, at the very least, would seem to be in order. He's been charged with a felony and gross misdemeanor for goodness sake. And he was the only person charged with a felony!

From his Augsburg profile:

Career Goal: Be a Coach ... good luck with that
First Job: Super Target
Summer Job: Trimming Bushes ... those two sound about right  [no offense intended to tree/bush trimmers around the world]

This comment from the article sums it up well:

The grit and determination he showed in searching out more bottles to throw, when most people would stop after they threw the few within reach, is truly admirable.  Then his ability to improvise and think on his feet, finding that chunk of concrete to throw when he was out of bottles, was also very impressive.  Truly we are looking future [sic] leader of this country.....hopefully he isn't incarcerated for too long

**Side Note** Despite the misspelling of his name, I'm sure Brian Urlacher is proud.

[OzJohnnie]

In other news:

Michael Juberian, star Augsburg linebacker, faces felony charge for Dinkytown riot

"One individual in particular, subsequently identified as [Juberian], threw numerous bottles at police officers," the complaint continues. "After the defendant would throw the bottles, he would run to find more, come back and continue throwing them at the officers."

But that wasn't all.

"[Juberian] moved to a bus shelter, found a rock and threw that at police officers, then found a chunk of concrete the size of a baseball and threw it at officers," the complaint adds. "The concrete landed on an officer's foot."

Officers were eventually able to subdue Juberian with a "stun blow."

See Oz! AO was right!  Look at all of the social development this kid was able to come across by going to college rather than the military.  He has so many advantages now, especially by expanding his network of contacts to the Department of Corrections.  Think how much he would have missed out on in the military.

Edit: I also see that he spent two years at UST.  Things are starting to become clear...

Looks like you'll need to start interviewing again to fill that internship, duffman.  I hope you've learned your lesson.