FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[oldsju67]

Pat,

Wondering why you guys are surprised that UWP is ahead of Bethel in the regional rankings, when you also have them ahead of Bethel in the top 25 poll?

Just wondering...

[retagent]

I'm not all that sure that Bethel is not going to get in. Since, I am assuming that UWW gets a bracket, and Wartburg gets a bracket it depends on what happens in other Regions. There is an analysis on the Pool C Board that has both UWP(or OSH if they win) and Bethel both getting in while some teams in other Regions (East and/or South) that are ranked 8th or higher in their Regions get left out

[hazzben]

Pat,

Wondering why you guys are surprised that UWP is ahead of Bethel in the regional rankings, when you also have them ahead of Bethel in the top 25 poll?

Just wondering...

Top 25 is the opinion of the voters. Those voters can use any rationale they choose to rank their teams. SOS, RRO, etc. matter not a wit.

The Regional Rankings are supposed to follow the published primary and secondary criteria. W-L, H2H, Results against common opponents, RRO, SOS, etc. are supposed to matter.

This is why the UWP and Bethel slotting is so surprising.

Pat, jump in if I'm missing something or mis-stating the matter.

[SJUrube]

EDIT: The more I look at it, I think Bethel is staying home (assuming a win v. Augsburg). If UWO wins, it looks likely they'll jump Bethel. How likely is a 6-1 (6-4) UWO to get a Pool C and even allow Bethel to the board?? If UWP wins, they'll probably stay put.

I just don't get the move by the committee:

Bethel:
2-2 v. RRO (wins v. one loss North #9 Chicago & 2 loss West #9 UST; road losses to unbeaten West #2 Wartburg & one loss West #3 SJU)
SOS .625

UWP:
0-2 v. RRO (home loss to unbeaten West #1 Whitewater & road loss to two loss North #6 NCC)
SOS .543

Don't get it...but, no one to blame but ourselves for two losses  And maybe a lesson not to schedule tough non-con, given the MIAC's strength. It did us no good playing Warburg from a RRO or SOS perspective.

I primarily pay attention to SJU (shocker) and the MIAC but how can a 5-4 team be ranked 8th in the region? One loss was to the #1 team in the country, another was to a 1AA team and the other two were against NAIA schools. I'm assuming the NAIA losses were "good" losses (but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

If the three non conference games don't count they are essentially being judged on seven WIAC games in which the bottom five teams have a total of 16 wins. The bottom five teams in the MIAC also have only 16 combined wins but there are four legitimate top 10 regional teams at the top of the conference too.

It won't matter should Oshkosh lose to Platteville but if they win would there really be a 6-4 team in the playoffs - especially in what everyone says is a competitive region? I'm not advocating for UST, Concordia or Pacific to jump or get in ahead of them but it is surprising.

[SJUrube]

New region rankings.  Talk amongst yourselves...

WEST                        
1   Wisconsin-Whitewater   8-0   9-0               
2   Wartburg   9-0   9-0               
3   Saint John's (Minn.)   8-1   8-1               
4   Linfield   7-1   7-1               
5   Wisconsin-Platteville   7-2   7-2               
6   Bethel (Minn.)   7-2   7-2               
6   Chapman   7-1   7-1               
8   Wisconsin-Oshkosh   5-1   5-4               
9   St. Thomas (Minn.)   7-2   7-2               
10   Pacific (Ore.)   6-1   6-2

A classic never goes out of style.

My wife and I are due in mid December. I keep telling her that we're bringing a child into the world at a perfect time as the world is once again just. SJU is on a win streak over UST and is poised to be MIAC champs and in the playoffs. There are really no worries or concerns.

[SagatagSam]

Sam Sura is set to break the SJU single season rushing record as long as he gains 7 yards against St. Olaf.
He will also break the MIAC single season rushing record, currently held by UST's Gary Trettel (1,527 in 1990), should he gain more than 58 yards.

[hazzben]

Sam Sura is set to break the SJU single season rushing record as long as he gains 7 yards against St. Olaf.
He will also break the MIAC single season rushing record, currently held by UST's Gary Trettel (1,527 in 1990), should he gain more than 58 yards.

No, I don't think that's right. Trettel's number is MIAC games only (or the record book is wrong, I know both Flannery and Porta went for more yards overall in a season).

Sura's MIAC only rushing yds: 1020
Sura's full season rushing yds: 1469

From the MIAC Recordbook page:

RUSHING YARDS:   
Game:        314   Peter Ridley, UST (vs. Carleton)   10/23/04
Season:   1,527   Gary Trettel, UST   1990
Career:    4,400   Phil Porta, BU   2003-06   
Overall
Career:    5,303   Logan Flannery, BU   2007-10

So if Sura gets 508 rushing yds, he'll own the MIAC record. Which may actually be possible against Olaf 

[OzJohnnie]

The d3football bracketology has BU getting in but just.

http://d3football.com/playoffs/2014/projected-bracket-version-one

[art76]

The d3football bracketology has BU getting in but just.

http://d3football.com/playoffs/2014/projected-bracket-version-one

So, if I read the color-coded bracket correctly, Bethel would travel down to beat Wheaton, then go on the road to play the winner of the Wittenburg-Platteville game. In the other half of the bracket the two games are Mount Union hosting Lakeland and Washington-Jefferson hosting Hampden-Sydney.

The only way Bethel gets a home game is if Hamden-Sydney or Lakeland take the other side of their bracket. So it looks like Bethel has to win at Mount Union to move out of the bracket to get a chance at vindicating themselves against the Johnnies.

Remember folks, this is if the teams selected by D3 were playing at the end of 10 weeks. There is still one more week of regular season and there might be some shifting of teams making it to the final dance. (I'm thinking Mac has a chance.)

[DuffMan]

New region rankings.  Talk amongst yourselves...

Talk about a blast from the past!  Welcome back.

[DuffMan]

Clearing up at SJU! 

[GoldandBlueBU]

Don't get it...but, no one to blame but ourselves for two losses  And maybe a lesson not to schedule tough non-con, given the MIAC's strength. It did us no good playing Warburg from a RRO or SOS perspective.

That is one of the bigger takaways, IMO.  Only play non-con games that you know you can win, and then, if you can't manage to get the automatic bid by winning your conference, guarantee yourself a pool C if you come out of the conference season with 1 loss.

Unfortunate, because I think it does a team good in terms of development to be challenged in the non-conference games, but if it is at the expense of a chance to get into the playoffs, if it worth it?

[AO]

Don't get it...but, no one to blame but ourselves for two losses  And maybe a lesson not to schedule tough non-con, given the MIAC's strength. It did us no good playing Warburg from a RRO or SOS perspective.

That is one of the bigger takaways, IMO.  Only play non-con games that you know you can win, and then, if you can't manage to get the automatic bid by winning your conference, guarantee yourself a pool C if you come out of the conference season with 1 loss.

Unfortunate, because I think it does a team good in terms of development to be challenged in the non-conference games, but if it is at the expense of a chance to get into the playoffs, if it worth it?

Settle down.   My stone cold Lock stands. 

[GoldandBlueBU]

Don't get it...but, no one to blame but ourselves for two losses  And maybe a lesson not to schedule tough non-con, given the MIAC's strength. It did us no good playing Warburg from a RRO or SOS perspective.

That is one of the bigger takaways, IMO.  Only play non-con games that you know you can win, and then, if you can't manage to get the automatic bid by winning your conference, guarantee yourself a pool C if you come out of the conference season with 1 loss.

Unfortunate, because I think it does a team good in terms of development to be challenged in the non-conference games, but if it is at the expense of a chance to get into the playoffs, if it worth it?

Settle down.   My stone cold Lock stands.

Good to know.  I'm settled.

I get that it is the system we have, and Coach J scheduled like he did knowing that, but I feel like it is a shortcoming of the system that BU could've played Crown College, won by 80 in a pointless game, and they'd be a win vs. Augsburg away from the playoffs.

Instead, they played a very good team, lost,  and are on the bubble as a result.

[Pat Coleman]

Congratulations to Pat on 17 years of d3sports.  You've certainly made it easier to follow d3 across the country.  And added a lot of fun.  I've met many people through the boards that I now consider friends.

Looking forward to another 17 years.

Thanks, sir -- just catching back up after a day mostly away from this board and I appreciate it. I could see going another 17 years. Interesting to envision what the platform will be like that we put information on at that point.