FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OldAuggie]

Since St. Thomas got into the playoffs, I wonder if that will change who Bethel schedules for non conference games in the future. Obviously overall record carries more weight for a Pool C bid than SOS since Bethel not only beat St. Thomas head to head their SOS was about 100 points more. I'm sure if Bethel had scheduled an easier non conference opponent than Wartburg and won that game then Bethel would have been the Pool C bid and not St. Thomas.

Do they get to drop Augsburg? That's the game that was the problem for Bethel.

+K for the Big Guy!

[CobberHawkeye]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Actually, field shoveling is a full-credit class @ UST...

[CobberHawkeye]

Rats.  Maybe the conditions yesterday will spur coach J to push for a field turf field.

Yesterday & the playoff loss last year (I know Peterson was out for that one) but yes,BU should really consider getting a key donor or donors to foot the bill for FieldTurf. I understand the nostalgia of playing on real grass,but muddy or frozen fields take the advantage away from the playmakers (especially on defense) when footing/traction is the issue.

The 2001 play-off game against Stevens Point in the rain,that turned to snow that turned into unplayable conditions because of below zero temps that night thus moving the next "home" play-off game to the FargoDome was the last straw that pushed SJU into an artificial playing surface.

Thanks for the support GoldandBlue. For the record, I even attended Bethel play-off games last year 

2 of the 3 playoff games last year would be good cases for FieldTurf.  BU moved the first game to the Dome.

That North Central Game was brutal....probably the coldest game I've ever been to.  Didn't help that I was there with camera in hand.

[Retired Old Rat]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Although true part of the reason is your attendance requires less accessible seating. You'd have to at least double your budget to account for SJU level attendance. And also be hosting a game.

Yeah, you've got roughly 60 guys on a playoff roster.  Figure Mom, Dad, and a sibling for each player, and you only need to clear < 200 seats for U$T fans.  I guess you'd want to clear some for the visitors, as well.  Just to be MN nice.

Duff, you know better.  They don't give a rip about accommodating visitors.  In fact, just the opposite.  They are the only school I know of that has built home seating perfectly positioned for old fat men to throw profanities at the visiting team's players and coaching.  And encourages former players to do the same.  Fortunately they won't be hosting any playoff games this year.

[RoyalsFan]

Since St. Thomas got into the playoffs, I wonder if that will change who Bethel schedules for non conference games in the future. Obviously overall record carries more weight for a Pool C bid than SOS since Bethel not only beat St. Thomas head to head their SOS was about 100 points more. I'm sure if Bethel had scheduled an easier non conference opponent than Wartburg and won that game then Bethel would have been the Pool C bid and not St. Thomas.

Do they get to drop Augsburg? That's the game that was the problem for Bethel.

I understand that the Augsburg game really hurt, but I still say that if Bethel had played a weaker non-conference game and won and had an identical 8-2 record as the Tommies, then Bethel would have gotten in as they beat them head to head which is generally the first tie breaker. Or are you saying that the Tommies would have still gotten the nod over Bethel in that case?

[faunch]

Since St. Thomas got into the playoffs, I wonder if that will change who Bethel schedules for non conference games in the future. Obviously overall record carries more weight for a Pool C bid than SOS since Bethel not only beat St. Thomas head to head their SOS was about 100 points more. I'm sure if Bethel had scheduled an easier non conference opponent than Wartburg and won that game then Bethel would have been the Pool C bid and not St. Thomas.

Do they get to drop Augsburg? That's the game that was the problem for Bethel.

I understand that the Augsburg game really hurt, but I still say that if Bethel had played a weaker non-conference game and won and had an identical 8-2 record as the Tommies, then Bethel would have gotten in as they beat them head to head which is generally the first tie breaker. Or are you saying that the Tommies would have still gotten the nod over Bethel in that case?

Valid point...the only justification for 3rd place U$T getting the playoff bid is that BU had 3 losses.

I admit I don't know much about how the pool B and C teams are picked but I think it's kind of BS that a 3rd place team in a conference gets a bid over the 2nd place team that beat them head to head.  In addition U$T beat UWRF and UWLC in non-conference which tied for 5th place in the WIAC...each had 2-5 conference records and were 3-7 overall.

[Pat Coleman]

Since St. Thomas got into the playoffs, I wonder if that will change who Bethel schedules for non conference games in the future. Obviously overall record carries more weight for a Pool C bid than SOS since Bethel not only beat St. Thomas head to head their SOS was about 100 points more. I'm sure if Bethel had scheduled an easier non conference opponent than Wartburg and won that game then Bethel would have been the Pool C bid and not St. Thomas.

Do they get to drop Augsburg? That's the game that was the problem for Bethel.

I understand that the Augsburg game really hurt, but I still say that if Bethel had played a weaker non-conference game and won and had an identical 8-2 record as the Tommies, then Bethel would have gotten in as they beat them head to head which is generally the first tie breaker. Or are you saying that the Tommies would have still gotten the nod over Bethel in that case?

In that case it's possible neither of them would have gotten in.

[OzJohnnie]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

[Pat Coleman]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

This board proves time and time again that everyone likes to shovel.

[OzJohnnie]

There you go, Pat.  Let your hair down. 

[faunch]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

This board proves time and time again that everyone likes to shovel.

There are two kinds of people in this world...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1711jiiRtM

[CobberHawkeye]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

This board proves time and time again that everyone likes to shovel.

Not everyone....some prefer to blow hard.

[RoyalsFan]

I understand that the Augsburg game really hurt, but I still say that if Bethel had played a weaker non-conference game and won and had an identical 8-2 record as the Tommies, then Bethel would have gotten in as they beat them head to head which is generally the first tie breaker. Or are you saying that the Tommies would have still gotten the nod over Bethel in that case?

In that case it's possible neither of them would have gotten in.

Yes, that is a possibility, but I think you are missing my point Pat. Which is that Bethel would have had a much better chance of getting the Pool C bid if they hadn't played Wartburg and instead played a weaker non conference opponent, even taking the loss to Augsburg into account (which we all know had extenuating circumstances with the weather/field conditions). I'm just pointing out that SOS doesn't have as much influence as overall win/loss record, so it would be more advantageous to play weaker non conference opponents as far as playoff implications are concerned. 

[ExTartanPlayer]

Which is that Bethel would have had a much better chance of getting the Pool C bid if they hadn't played Wartburg and instead played a weaker non conference opponent, even taking the loss to Augsburg into account (which we all know had extenuating circumstances with the weather/field conditions). I'm just pointing out that SOS doesn't have as much influence as overall win/loss record, so it would be more advantageous to play weaker non conference opponents as far as playoff implications are concerned.

Bull****.  Weather conditions, shmeather conditions.  Losing to a six-loss team in Week 11 gets you uninvited in Pool C.

8-2 Bethel (assuming that they'd beaten Auggie) with giant SOS, OOC results: loss to 10-0 Wartburg, win over 8-1 Chicago...probably was getting in.

8-2 Bethel that never plays Wartburg, has OOC results: win over 8-1 Chicago and random 5-5 IIAC team, and loses to Auggie in week 11...no effing way.

[AO]

Which is that Bethel would have had a much better chance of getting the Pool C bid if they hadn't played Wartburg and instead played a weaker non conference opponent, even taking the loss to Augsburg into account (which we all know had extenuating circumstances with the weather/field conditions). I'm just pointing out that SOS doesn't have as much influence as overall win/loss record, so it would be more advantageous to play weaker non conference opponents as far as playoff implications are concerned.

Bull****.  Weather conditions, shmeather conditions.  Losing to a six-loss team in Week 11 gets you uninvited in Pool C.

8-2 Bethel (assuming that they'd beaten Auggie) with giant SOS, OOC results: loss to 10-0 Wartburg, win over 8-1 Chicago...probably was getting in.

8-2 Bethel that never plays Wartburg, has OOC results: win over 8-1 Chicago and random 5-5 IIAC team, and loses to Auggie in week 11...no effing way.

St. Thomas and Concordia might have both been regionally ranked wins.  Bethel could have also a scheduled a team with 8 or 9 wins from a poor conference.