FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[SagatagSam]

I've got no problem with play-by-play guys who are obvious homers--just so long as they are "The voice of [insert team name here]."  When national broadcasters start picking sides, that's when I get pissed.

VOJ has so much going for him that he doesn't need to cry wolf after plays that don't go the Johnnies way. There are so many great calls over the years that are signature VOJ:

Jake Theis TD to end the half/Mike Zauhar 100-yard Pick 6 (2003 Stagg Bowl vs. Mt. Union)
The Moorhead Miracle (SJU at Concordia in 2005)
Blocked FG to force OT/Wimmer Fumble Recovery/Boyle game-winning TD call after the officials waiting 10 seconds to signal the score (SJU at St. Olaf 2008)
Gliadon's Homecoming Winning Field Goal (Bethel at SJU in 2009)
"Wide Left" (Johnnie-Tommie 2013)

[OzJohnnie]

Sorry, rube, I hate to do this but I'm not convinced that UST is all bad in this circumstance.  (Please don't inform Alumni Relations so I can keep my diploma.) I don't think they are STO cheap, I just think they are big, strong and play really hard. That results in a lot of personal fouls. STO, on other hand, used personal fouls to inject a little big and strong.

Maybe it's not convincing but it is the way I see it. UST is superior and use their superiority to physicalise their opponents, often resulting in personal foul penalties. STO was inferior and often cheap shot with personal fouls as a way to increase their physicalness. I guess in see the UST foul record as an outcome as opposed to a tactic. It's a legitimate tactic to be hyper physical, but that in no way means they don't suck. It's much better to win because you play well than because you're the biggest body on the playground.

[RoyalsFan]

Had to wait a while before I could do this. Especially for Rev, Bench and CT. I believe that the Johnnies were a very good team this year. I guess the Toms were quite a bit better. Good luck, and .....

"...we Johnnies will be rooting for the Tommies next week."

Finished that one for you.

That may happen for next week, but if the Tommies get to the Stagg bowl I doubt there will be many Johnnie fans rooting for the Tommies then. While it would be a feather for both the Tommies and the MIAC if they were to win the Stagg bowl, SJU would no longer  be able to gloat that they are the only MIAC team with a DIII championship.

[SJUrube]

Sorry, rube, I hate to do this but I'm not convinced that UST is all bad in this circumstance.  (Please don't inform Alumni Relations so I can keep my diploma.) I don't think they are STO cheap, I just think they are big, strong and play really hard. That results in a lot of personal fouls. STO, on other hand, used personal fouls to inject a little big and strong.

Maybe it's not convincing but it is the way I see it. UST is superior and use their superiority to physicalise their opponents, often resulting in personal foul penalties. STO was inferior and often cheap shot with personal fouls as a way to increase their physicalness. I guess in see the UST foul record as an outcome as opposed to a tactic. It's a legitimate tactic to be hyper physical, but that in no way means they don't suck. It's much better to win because you play well than because you're the biggest body on the playground.

How dare you disagree. We Johnnies need to keep a united front. 

I agree with you in that they are big, strong and play hard. Where we differ is they don't give penalties for hard tackles in football, at least not yet. Playing hard and to the whistle should be the expectation for every team. Where I start questioning intent is what happens after the whistle, or after a player no longer has the ball or is involved in the play. I don't think injury is the desired outcome, but again, they are a realistic outcome in plays featuring players that are no longer competing.

And to prove I also don't see all being bad with UST...I thought Glenn's pooch punts with Gould in Q3 were smart plays. I don't think they were necessary but they did put the Jays in two very tough spots inside the 5 yard line.

[SJUrube]

Had to wait a while before I could do this. Especially for Rev, Bench and CT. I believe that the Johnnies were a very good team this year. I guess the Toms were quite a bit better. Good luck, and .....

"...we Johnnies will be rooting for the Tommies next week."

Finished that one for you.

That may happen for next week, but if the Tommies get to the Stagg bowl I doubt there will be many Johnnie fans rooting for the Tommies then. While it would be a feather for both the Tommies and the MIAC if they were to win the Stagg bowl, SJU would no longer  be able to gloat that they are the only MIAC team with a DIII championship.

I've never rooted for another conference team. Call me whatever you like, small, petty, jealous, I don't care. Other conference teams do not benefit from the success of their competitors. If that were the case wouldn't the OAC have had more teams representing them deeper in the playoffs given the run MUC has had?

[OzJohnnie]

And to prove I also don't see all being bad with UST...I thought Glenn's pooch punts with Gould in Q3 were smart plays. I don't think they were necessary but they did put the Jays in two very tough spots inside the 5 yard line.

I do agree on that point.

I was thinking about this after the game and maybe I'll ask about it here to see what other think, but it was this: I felt like GC played the game with some class. UST was winning and they kept the pressure on the whole game, but there were no trick plays. No sideline huddles. No post game theatrics.

I felt they played a bit uncharacteristicly with class. Is my impression correct?  Does GC deserve a little kudos in this respect?

[Mr.MIAC]

And to prove I also don't see all being bad with UST...I thought Glenn's pooch punts with Gould in Q3 were smart plays. I don't think they were necessary but they did put the Jays in two very tough spots inside the 5 yard line.

I do agree on that point.

I was thinking about this after the game and maybe I'll ask about it here to see what other think, but it was this: I felt like GC played the game with some class. UST was winning and they kept the pressure on the whole game, but there were no trick plays. No sideline huddles. No post game theatrics.

I felt they played a bit uncharacteristicly with class. Is my impression correct?  Does GC deserve a little kudos in this respect?

Hell just froze over...  +K

[DoubleO]

Lady(ies) & Gents, evil empire or not, it WAS NOT a late hit OR a roughing the passer penalty. While it sucks that Martin got hurt and ultimately, his career ended on the play, there was nothing malicious about the tackle. Pick another straw. For anyone (trainer, coach, player, commentator or other) to imply otherwise is nothing less than their own character indictment.

[OzJohnnie]

And to prove I also don't see all being bad with UST...I thought Glenn's pooch punts with Gould in Q3 were smart plays. I don't think they were necessary but they did put the Jays in two very tough spots inside the 5 yard line.

I do agree on that point.

I was thinking about this after the game and maybe I'll ask about it here to see what other think, but it was this: I felt like GC played the game with some class. UST was winning and they kept the pressure on the whole game, but there were no trick plays. No sideline huddles. No post game theatrics.

I felt they played a bit uncharacteristicly with class. Is my impression correct?  Does GC deserve a little kudos in this respect?

Hell just froze over...  +K

I was thinking the same thing, hence my reason for asking here. I expected to see ice skating demons long before I thought I would see a classy display on Snelling Ave.

[SJUrube]

Lady(ies) & Gents, evil empire or not, it WAS NOT a late hit OR a roughing the passer penalty. While it sucks that Martin got hurt and ultimately, his career ended on the play, there was nothing malicious about the tackle. Pick another straw. For anyone (trainer, coach, player, commentator or other) to imply otherwise is nothing less than their own character indictment.

From Pat Reusse's Twitter during the game: @1500ESPN_Reusse: SJU coach Gary Fasching hot at ref Ronnie Blockinger ... presumably for failing to call roughing penalty on tardy hit of QB Nick Martin.

You're right, Pat being the Johnnie apologist he is has no character.

[RoyalsFan]

I've never rooted for another conference team. Call me whatever you like, small, petty, jealous, I don't care. Other conference teams do not benefit from the success of their competitors. If that were the case wouldn't the OAC have had more teams representing them deeper in the playoffs given the run MUC has had?

Oh, but they do. If you play in a tough conference then it helps a team's SOS rating which could determine whether or not a team gets a pool C bid or not. Just because one team (MUC) is really good doesn't automatically make the other teams in the conference better.

[Pat Coleman]

Heck, looking at the numbers involved in this year's selection process, you could well say that Ohio Northern got into the field because of Mount Union's reputation.

[OzJohnnie]

I cheer for most other MIAC teams in the post-season. For the Tommies I reckon I'm doing pretty well by just staying silent rather than booing.

[DoubleO]

Lady(ies) & Gents, evil empire or not, it WAS NOT a late hit OR a roughing the passer penalty. While it sucks that Martin got hurt and ultimately, his career ended on the play, there was nothing malicious about the tackle. Pick another straw. For anyone (trainer, coach, player, commentator or other) to imply otherwise is nothing less than their own character indictment.

From Pat Reusse's Twitter during the game: @1500ESPN_Reusse: SJU coach Gary Fasching hot at ref Ronnie Blockinger ... presumably for failing to call roughing penalty on tardy hit of QB Nick Martin.

You're right, Pat being the Johnnie apologist he is has no character.

So because "SJU coach Gary Fasching hot at ref Ronnie Blockinger ... PRESUMABLY for failing to call roughing penalty on tardy hit of QB Nick Martin." Key word...PRESUMABLY! It was dirty play? That's the basis for your opinion. Come on! Control your emotions, folks. Unfortunately, Martin's head hit the turf on account of a good, form tackle that was finished. It was a fundamentally sound play that had an unfortunate outcome. That's it.

[sjusection105]

Radio coverage in the MIAC

It's been established that SJU & UST have pretty far reaching radio coverage of their games. Both programs have some sort of "Coaches Corner" at a local restaurant/bar,SJU's is covered on WBHR radio and SJU has the coaches show on KOOL TV. They both have internet coverage/ You Tube channels,so you (fans,parents,recruits) can find them without much effort.

How about the rest of the conference. I know for sure Concordia has a pretty good radio crew as well as GAC. Does St. Olaf & Carleton "share" a radio guy and he only broadcasts home games,which ever team is home & rotates if both are at home on the same date?

Besides student run radio or cable TV how do the other schools handle this or do they just not have any presence to the outside world besides their website or student run media?