FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sju56321]

Radio play by play is interesting-as a Bears fan I loved Wayne Laravee(sp) when he was calling Bears game and I could not stand him when he went to the Packer's radio.
The most interesting thing for me was listening to VOJ for a few years before video and then seeing what he was calling-like the almost interceptions that weren't really close at all. But still enjoying listening to him.

[DoubleO]

SJU56321-

Congrats on your alma mater's Championship. That was an old fashioned a** whipping they put on. Complete dominance. It was good to see Holecek finally get one after having come so close so many times.

I read your mention of your son being back from college and I recall your commenting that he was considering playing ball in college. Is he playing collegiately?

[OldAuggie]

Augsburg Football was back on the radio this year on KYCR-AM 1570 out of Golden Valley. The station sold commercials and sponsors ran ads. It was well done for the first year back with the voice of the Auggies Tom Witschen as play by play and Mike Gallagher as the color guy.

Last time they were on radio was 2004.

http://athletics.augsburg.edu/news/2015/8/10/fb081015.aspx?path=football

[retagent]

This is going back a few pages, but it has been busy here.

A UST poster said with authority that the hit on Martin that put him out was not an intent to injure. Since the ball had left his hand, what exactly was the intent then? It could no longer affect that play. Also, and this is from memory, Martin had left the pocket, so he had escaped the pass rush. This hit came from either an LB or DB, who knew the status of the play at that time.

[sju56321]

Double O-that was a great game to watch and I was happy for the coach also-I think I saw something that said team of decade-with a few years left even. The Trib had an article bemoaning the fact that all these private schools won and suggesting a public/private split for the playoffs.
My son is attending Bemidji State and was not on the team this fall, but is talking to the coaches about playing this spring to get ready for next year, will see how that goes.

[57Johnnie]

I know for sure I was listening to VOJ in 2002. I'm listed as being registered in Aug. 2005 but I know I was posting in 2003 and probably before that. 

[DuffMan]

Way back when I was in high school (mid to late 90s), I can recall Jeff "The Sheriff" Bretherton and J.G. Preston (I believe) broadcasting SJU games.

[sju56321]

Right-that rings a bell. They were good-they would ask all listening to send an email and then read off the locations-was interesting to see back then the location of listeners-none from Australia.

[DuffMan]

They were good-they would ask all listening to send an email and then read off the locations-was interesting to see back then the location of listeners-none from Australia.

I remember that, too.  The Sheriff joined the coaching staff in 1999 or 2000 and occasionally pokes his nose in here.  I run into his dad frequently up at SJU games.

[miac952]

This is going back a few pages, but it has been busy here.

A UST poster said with authority that the hit on Martin that put him out was not an intent to injure. Since the ball had left his hand, what exactly was the intent then? It could no longer affect that play. Also, and this is from memory, Martin had left the pocket, so he had escaped the pass rush. This hit came from either an LB or DB, who knew the status of the play at that time.

I didn't know we had clear evidence it was late? My guess was the intent was to disrupt the QB's throw or sack him if the opportunity presented itself. There are a lot of leaps and assumptions being made on both sides here. While officials are not always correct and do miss things, the one over the play in this case, did not throw the flag. Meanwhile a bunch of us who have not seen the full play are making big leaps.

For those that played, they also know how hard it is to instantly hit the brakes when your chasing down a qb and the ball gets quickly released. Hitting a QB the instant after a QB throws is generally not flagged because it happens almost simultaneously with the speed of the game. This becomes even more challenging when the QB is outside the pocket, given the threat to run is even more present. Officials are put in a very difficult position these days with the rules being muddied, with an end goal that everyone wants to accomplish a much safer game.

Separately, from my anecdotes I find it very interesting how little targeting is called at the D3 level, with the ejection rule in place, especially compared to watching a B1G game. I wonder if that is because they get nervous without the benefit instant replay.

[bennie]

Let's not forget that Anthony LaPanta use to call Johnnie Football games on the radio!

[Walter Eagle]

This is going back a few pages, but it has been busy here.

A UST poster said with authority that the hit on Martin that put him out was not an intent to injure. Since the ball had left his hand, what exactly was the intent then? It could no longer affect that play. Also, and this is from memory, Martin had left the pocket, so he had escaped the pass rush. This hit came from either an LB or DB, who knew the status of the play at that time.

I didn't know we had clear evidence it was late? My guess was the intent was to disrupt the QB's throw or sack him if the opportunity presented itself. There are a lot of leaps and assumptions being made on both sides here. While officials are not always correct and do miss things, the one over the play in this case, did not throw the flag. Meanwhile a bunch of us who have not seen the full play are making big leaps.

For those that played, they also know how hard it is to instantly hit the brakes when your chasing down a qb and the ball gets quickly released. Hitting a QB the instant after a QB throws is generally not flagged because it happens almost simultaneously with the speed of the game. This becomes even more challenging when the QB is outside the pocket, given the threat to run is even more present. Officials are put in a very difficult position these days with the rules being muddied, with an end goal that everyone wants to accomplish a much safer game.

Separately, from my anecdotes I find it very interesting how little targeting is called at the D3 level, with the ejection rule in place, especially compared to watching a B1G game. I wonder if that is because they get nervous without the benefit instant replay.

Might be wrong about this because it's not something that I have watched for, but I think that some of these late hits are because the defender left his feet when attempting to make the tackle.  If so, a possible rule change may be to automatically call a late hit penalty in this situation, even if it results in a tackling of the QB. 

The only time you would be allowed to leave your feet would be if you were attempting to block or bat down a pass.  In this case the play would be treated the same as attempting to block a kick, with a 5 or 15 yard penalty called based on the degree of contact with the QB. 

The advantage is that you can learn to go for the ball instead of the QB when you leap.  Also, it should be easier to veer away from the QB if you don't leave your feet while attempting a tackle.  You also may be able to apply the 5 or 15 principle if the hit by the defender is late but he appears to be trying to avoid the hit.

[faunch]

This is going back a few pages, but it has been busy here.

A UST poster said with authority that the hit on Martin that put him out was not an intent to injure. Since the ball had left his hand, what exactly was the intent then? It could no longer affect that play. Also, and this is from memory, Martin had left the pocket, so he had escaped the pass rush. This hit came from either an LB or DB, who knew the status of the play at that time.

I didn't know we had clear evidence it was late? My guess was the intent was to disrupt the QB's throw or sack him if the opportunity presented itself. There are a lot of leaps and assumptions being made on both sides here. While officials are not always correct and do miss things, the one over the play in this case, did not throw the flag. Meanwhile a bunch of us who have not seen the full play are making big leaps.

For those that played, they also know how hard it is to instantly hit the brakes when your chasing down a qb and the ball gets quickly released. Hitting a QB the instant after a QB throws is generally not flagged because it happens almost simultaneously with the speed of the game. This becomes even more challenging when the QB is outside the pocket, given the threat to run is even more present. Officials are put in a very difficult position these days with the rules being muddied, with an end goal that everyone wants to accomplish a much safer game.

Separately, from my anecdotes I find it very interesting how little targeting is called at the D3 level, with the ejection rule in place, especially compared to watching a B1G game. I wonder if that is because they get nervous without the benefit instant replay.

I can only think of 2 that I know have been called.  Once was a couple years ago in a UST / GAC game.  If I recall correctly a UST defensive player was ejected for a hit on a GAC receiver on a throw in the middle of the field.  An archive of the game was available and it looked like a hit to the head but with one camera angle was tough to tell how egregious the play was. 
The other I recall was on an SJU player a year or so ago.  I was at the game and it seemed everyone was in disbelief that targeting was called.  The play appeared to be fairly pedestrian and then it was announced that the player had been disqualified for targeting.

I agree that targeting calls are infrequent at the D3 because of the harsh penalty.

[Retired Old Rat]

Great talk by former Anoka Tornado and New England Patriot all pro Steve Nelson emphasizing the importance of playing for something bigger than you.

http://abcnewspapers.com/2015/12/01/you-play-for-the-town-former-patriot-steve-nelson-talks-at-anoka-high-school/

** Steve played one year at Augsburg for his uncle Edor before moving on to NDSU.  That's the MIAC connection.

[SJUrube]

I've never rooted for another conference team. Call me whatever you like, small, petty, jealous, I don't care. Other conference teams do not benefit from the success of their competitors. If that were the case wouldn't the OAC have had more teams representing them deeper in the playoffs given the run MUC has had?

Oh, but they do. If you play in a tough conference then it helps a team's SOS rating which could determine whether or not a team gets a pool C bid or not. Just because one team (MUC) is really good doesn't automatically make the other teams in the conference better.

Fair point. I was thinking of benefits with recruiting and increase in program prestige. If a kid is deciding between multiple schools and winning is an important factor for him, recent success is going to be weighed heavily. At the end of the day, most MIAC schools are competiting for the same group of kids - ok maybe not Bethel  - so I'd prefer they only see SJU as the place to win consistently and on the national level.