FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

D-II is a no-man's land for hockey, so UST would have to play D-I hockey.

[OzJohnnie]

It's been unusually warm this fall/early winter. 

Yeah, it looks like we may not have a white Christmas, which is disappointing.

[Mr.MIAC]

Reusse put out a nice little article on UST over the weekend. I wonder if recruits/parents notice these things.

http://www.startribune.com/facilities-at-st-thomas-alone-enough-to-attract-recruits/360641711/

I thought this was the best line of the article....

Now that Glenn Caruso has added football to the St. Thomas list of national contenders, any accolades aimed toward the Tommies in print are generally followed with derogatory e-mails — complaining that the large, vibrant school should elevate itself to Division II, a scholarship level of athletics.
It's a good guess the same complaint is heard in Ohio, only more vociferously, toward Mount Union. The Purple Raiders football team has lost nine games since 2000: a conference game to Ohio Northern in 2005, to St. John's in the 2003 national title game, to Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 2004 D-III semifinals, and six times to Wisconsin-Whitewater as those programs have traded off the past 10 national titles.

Is there a correlation between enrollment and athletic success in the MIAC?
I realize that many other factors go into success on the field or on the court.  The size of the institution isn't the only factor that contributes to success but I think it's naive to discount it.
 
http://www.mnprivatecolleges.org/research/facts/enrollment

School                                           Undergraduate Enrollment
University of St. Thomas                 6,234
St. Catherine University                  3,491
Bethel University                            3,045
St. Olaf College                              3,034
Augsburg College                           2,600
Gustavus Adolphus College             2,456
Concordia College                          2,381
Hamline University                         2,243
Macalester College                         2,073
Carleton College                            2,042
College of Saint Benedict                2,020
Saint Mary's University                   1,904
Saint John's University                    1,789 

(Keep in mind that SJU is all male.  If CSB were included the combined enrollment would be over 3,700.  St. Cate's on the other hand is all female and has over 3,400 students on their own and has had limited athletic success over the years.)

All-Sports Competition (Let's just say that UST has dominated for about the past 35 years, winning or sharing the title 27 times).

http://www.miacathletics.com/about/honor_history/all_sports_competition/history/index
Men                              All-Sports Titles                 Last               
St. Thomas                   29                                     2014-15         
Saint John's                  14                                     2006-07         
Gustavus                       5                                      2003-04       
Macalester                     5                                      1967-68       
St. Olaf                          1                                     1978-79               


Women                       All-Sports Titles                Last
St. Thomas                     24                                  2014-15
Gustavus                         5                                2006-07
Saint Benedict                  2                                1998-99
St. Olaf                           2                                1984-85

It might be better to look at enrollment by year since UST hasn't dwarfed the other MIAC school throughout it's history. That being said, I didn't realize the UST women were so dominant.

PS: Tossed you a softball on that last part.

[faunch]

Re: moving 'up' in divisions - most outside commentators (don't know about Reusse) are unaware that (aside from a few schools that got 'grandfathered'), a move in division is for ALL sports at a school.  Apparently UST is quite good pretty much across the board, and probably could successfully change divisions if they so desired.  The same would be true for UWW, except that they have little local control in such matters, and would probably not be allowed to by the state powers-that-be.  UMU would NOT be a good candidate, since many of their sports are barely average even in D3.

We've had this debate before and for many reasons it's understood that it won't work for UST.  Just don't tell me that size doesn't matter.  Women have told me that my whole life (my whole sexually adult life) and it's just not true. 
Also don't tell me that I should be a "good sport" and root for a program for the good of the conference.  Not when year in and and year out, that institution has many teams competing at a national level.  Especially when they are a rival.

[faunch]

Reusse put out a nice little article on UST over the weekend. I wonder if recruits/parents notice these things.

http://www.startribune.com/facilities-at-st-thomas-alone-enough-to-attract-recruits/360641711/

I thought this was the best line of the article....

Now that Glenn Caruso has added football to the St. Thomas list of national contenders, any accolades aimed toward the Tommies in print are generally followed with derogatory e-mails — complaining that the large, vibrant school should elevate itself to Division II, a scholarship level of athletics.
It's a good guess the same complaint is heard in Ohio, only more vociferously, toward Mount Union. The Purple Raiders football team has lost nine games since 2000: a conference game to Ohio Northern in 2005, to St. John's in the 2003 national title game, to Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 2004 D-III semifinals, and six times to Wisconsin-Whitewater as those programs have traded off the past 10 national titles.

Is there a correlation between enrollment and athletic success in the MIAC?
I realize that many other factors go into success on the field or on the court.  The size of the institution isn't the only factor that contributes to success but I think it's naive to discount it.
 
http://www.mnprivatecolleges.org/research/facts/enrollment

School                                           Undergraduate Enrollment
University of St. Thomas                 6,234
St. Catherine University                  3,491
Bethel University                            3,045
St. Olaf College                              3,034
Augsburg College                           2,600
Gustavus Adolphus College             2,456
Concordia College                          2,381
Hamline University                         2,243
Macalester College                         2,073
Carleton College                            2,042
College of Saint Benedict                2,020
Saint Mary's University                   1,904
Saint John's University                    1,789 

(Keep in mind that SJU is all male.  If CSB were included the combined enrollment would be over 3,700.  St. Cate's on the other hand is all female and has over 3,400 students on their own and has had limited athletic success over the years.)

All-Sports Competition (Let's just say that UST has dominated for about the past 35 years, winning or sharing the title 27 times).

http://www.miacathletics.com/about/honor_history/all_sports_competition/history/index
Men                              All-Sports Titles                 Last               
St. Thomas                   29                                     2014-15         
Saint John's                  14                                     2006-07         
Gustavus                       5                                      2003-04       
Macalester                     5                                      1967-68       
St. Olaf                          1                                     1978-79               


Women                       All-Sports Titles                Last
St. Thomas                     24                                  2014-15
Gustavus                         5                                2006-07
Saint Benedict                  2                                1998-99
St. Olaf                           2                                1984-85

It might be better to look at enrollment by year since UST hasn't dwarfed the other MIAC school throughout it's history. That being said, I didn't realize the UST women were so dominant.

PS: Tossed you a softball on that last part.

UST is good at softball too...not sure how "dominant" the women are.

[sjusection105]

Let me buy a round of vitamin +K for the boys from McMinville, they're always hospitable when I've visited them 

[MonroviaCat]

Riddle was just spotted filling sandbags to help prevent additional flooding of Johnson Creek on the SE side of Portland. Who wasn't there? Coach Caruso. 

Not true--Caruso was there, emptying the sandbags as fast as possible.....one of his trick plays I guess.

[jamtod]

Reusse put out a nice little article on UST over the weekend. I wonder if recruits/parents notice these things.

http://www.startribune.com/facilities-at-st-thomas-alone-enough-to-attract-recruits/360641711/

I thought this was the best line of the article....

Now that Glenn Caruso has added football to the St. Thomas list of national contenders, any accolades aimed toward the Tommies in print are generally followed with derogatory e-mails — complaining that the large, vibrant school should elevate itself to Division II, a scholarship level of athletics.
It's a good guess the same complaint is heard in Ohio, only more vociferously, toward Mount Union. The Purple Raiders football team has lost nine games since 2000: a conference game to Ohio Northern in 2005, to St. John's in the 2003 national title game, to Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 2004 D-III semifinals, and six times to Wisconsin-Whitewater as those programs have traded off the past 10 national titles.

Is there a correlation between enrollment and athletic success in the MIAC?
I realize that many other factors go into success on the field or on the court.  The size of the institution isn't the only factor that contributes to success but I think it's naive to discount it.
 
http://www.mnprivatecolleges.org/research/facts/enrollment

School                                           Undergraduate Enrollment
University of St. Thomas                 6,234
St. Catherine University                  3,491
Bethel University                            3,045
St. Olaf College                              3,034
Augsburg College                           2,600
Gustavus Adolphus College             2,456
Concordia College                          2,381
Hamline University                         2,243
Macalester College                         2,073
Carleton College                            2,042
College of Saint Benedict                2,020
Saint Mary's University                   1,904
Saint John's University                    1,789 

(Keep in mind that SJU is all male.  If CSB were included the combined enrollment would be over 3,700.  St. Cate's on the other hand is all female and has over 3,400 students on their own and has had limited athletic success over the years.)

All-Sports Competition (Let's just say that UST has dominated for about the past 35 years, winning or sharing the title 27 times).

http://www.miacathletics.com/about/honor_history/all_sports_competition/history/index
Men                              All-Sports Titles                 Last               
St. Thomas                   29                                     2014-15         
Saint John's                  14                                     2006-07         
Gustavus                       5                                      2003-04       
Macalester                     5                                      1967-68       
St. Olaf                          1                                     1978-79               


Women                       All-Sports Titles                Last
St. Thomas                     24                                  2014-15
Gustavus                         5                                2006-07
Saint Benedict                  2                                1998-99
St. Olaf                           2                                1984-85

I think there is a definite impact that a higher enrollment (ergo larger sports budget) has on a well-rounded athletic program. St Thomas is able to field teams that can compete in a wide variety of sports. I'm not convinced that the enrollment has a direct impact on one single program, such as football.

[SagatagSam]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
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As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

[Mr.MIAC]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
------------------------------------------

As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

Man you guys are really doubling down today, calling for UST to move out of the MIAC and then starting a Caruso exit rumor. Maybe you should go for the trifecta by detailing UST's plans for taking out Linfield's QB this Saturday.

[Pat Coleman]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
------------------------------------------

As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

Man you guys are really doubling down today, calling for UST to move out of the MIAC and then starting a Caruso exit rumor. Maybe you should go for the trifecta by detailing UST's plans for taking out Linfield's QB this Saturday.

I suspect Caruso called on his college archrival, Cortland State, to do so two weeks ago. Thinking ahead!

[SagatagSam]

Man you guys are really doubling down today, calling for UST to move out of the MIAC and then starting a Caruso exit rumor. Maybe you should go for the trifecta by detailing UST's plans for taking out Linfield's QB this Saturday.

I heard Caruso was planning to get Linfield's starters out by tainting their pre-game meal so they would all get food poisoning.

[faunch]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
------------------------------------------

As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

I think you might be full of sh*te!

[SagatagSam]

I think you might be full of sh*te!

Nope, that's going to be Linfield's player's underpants after Caru$o food poisons them.

[D O.C.]

Please.
The WILDCATS are so tough they'll be pulling their own motel alarms at 3:00 am.

Theories please on why STU has such a ****** video feed.
Theories on if it will be fixed for a National Semi-Final game.

Logic dictates if a school does not have the savvy and facilities to host a playoff game they should not have one if the rest of the world can't see it in 1015.

So there.