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[nkwest]

"Let me be really blunt about this: That is not at the forefront of our recruiting." "That is not what drives the program and what drives recruiting."

You're cherry-picking. He does acknowledge their importance in the very same answer, but he articulates that the facilities aren't what they sell recruits on. You're trying way too hard.

[skunks_sidekick]

Seems like the proper time to spin the tale that is "Saint Glen".

It's 2011, and Mount had just lost to UWW for the third time in a row.  Caruso had been in Salem for a few days, as one of his players was up for the Gagliardi trophy.  He heads to Mount's locker room, and encounters Larry Kehres.  Coach Kehres, after just losing the national championship game, sits with Caruso for around 45 minutes to let him pick his brain, talk football, etc...  LK leaves that meeting thinking that Caruso is a pretty good guy.

Jump forward a year, and it's the Tommies vs. Mount in the Stagg Bowl.  Caruso was acting ummm..."jerky" all week (insert your own word here), and then came the game.  As well documented, Mount has an insurmountable lead, and as per usual classy LK style, starts to take a knee knowing the game is over.  First time they do it, here comes the Tommies through the line wacking the QB.  Caruso calls time-out, gets his men together, and everyone assumes it to tell them to chill out and stay classy.  BUT NOOO...he pretty much tells them to "play to the end of the whistle", and they hit the QB again.  Now LK is totally pissed, and we then run a play.  The Mount players were besides themselves, and wanted to either punch one in the end zone, or punch a certain coach and some of this players. 

After the game LK was hot, and really didn't want to shake Caruso's hand, or hear anything he had to say.  VK will have that memory running through his head this week, so it could get really interesting in the Stagg.  With the Tommies showing they play to the very "end of the whistle", I can see this game getting chippy pretty quickly.  VK might just rip off Caruso's head if that crap happens again.

Like I said...should be fun!

I know we went through this 3 years ago on the OAC board, but who goes into victory formation before they know they can run out the clock?

Yah AO, we did go over this three years ago.  Mount goes into victory formation when the team they're playing PUNTS THE BALL on fourth down with hardly any time left on the clock,  which to any rational person would seem to mean that you as a coach are throwing up the white flag. 

[Johns Knees]

"Let me be really blunt about this: That is not at the forefront of our recruiting." "That is not what drives the program and what drives recruiting."

You're cherry-picking. He does acknowledge their importance in the very same answer, but he articulates that the facilities aren't what they sell recruits on. You're trying way too hard.

Of course I'm cherry-picking. I'm making an argument that Glenn is all ego. I'm going to pick statements that prove that. Glenn's first response to a statement about the facilities (I don't think it was even a question - Dave Lee just said they were great) was that they aren' t the reason he's successful at recruiting. He said all the right things after that, but his first statement was that it doesn't make a difference. He didn't have to object to that statement - he made a clear and purposeful answer ("Let me be blunt:") that the facilities were not the reason for his success. The implication being that he was the reason for the success.

There were a bunch of other things in the interview that I found very "me me me" (like when someone asked about Mount Union's success, he first pointed out the success he'd had. True, he was honoring Mount Union with that response by comparing his two title game appearances that any team in the country would love to have with Mount's 20, but he could have honored Mount Union just by pointing to Mount Union's success, instead of first pointing out how great he was).

And yes, I'm cherry-picking that, too. Because the guy rubs me the wrong way. If he was coaching at Macalester still and saying these things, it'd still rub me the wrong way. It has some to do with him being the coach at St. Thomas, but more to do with his inflated self importance.

Bethel was our biggest rival for a decade. And beat us a lot. I love Steve Johnson. Good guy and a great coach. This isn't sour grapes.

Like I said earlier - I really like this St. Thomas team. They're a team and better than the sum of their parts. And their coach is largely responsible for that. He's a great coach. He just rubs me the wrong way.

[jamtod]

"Let me be really blunt about this: That is not at the forefront of our recruiting." "That is not what drives the program and what drives recruiting."

You're cherry-picking. He does acknowledge their importance in the very same answer, but he articulates that the facilities aren't what they sell recruits on. You're trying way too hard.

Of course I'm cherry-picking. I'm making an argument that Glenn is all ego. I'm going to pick statements that prove that. Glenn's first response to a statement about the facilities (I don't think it was even a question - Dave Lee just said they were great) was that they aren' t the reason he's successful at recruiting. He said all the right things after that, but his first statement was that it doesn't make a difference. He didn't have to object to that statement - he made a clear and purposeful answer ("Let me be blunt:") that the facilities were not the reason for his success. The implication being that he was the reason for the success.

Or the implication that success breeds success and the program has something to do with guys coming in.  Sure, the facilities have improved in GC's time there, but the recruiting has also and the program has turned around 180 degrees. Is it wrong to suggest that he has had something to do with that? Every coach is trying to sell his skill. I don't understand why this is so awful.

[nkwest]

Of course I'm cherry-picking. I'm making an argument that Glenn is all ego. I'm going to pick statements that prove that.

And ignore statements that would undermine your argument from the start. Cherry-picking and posting quotes out of context makes for a lousy argument.

he made a clear and purposeful answer ("Let me be blunt:") that the facilities were not the reason for his success. The implication being that he was the reason for the success.

Your inference being that GC was the reason for the success. That's the only alternative? Not the culture he and his entire coaching staff have worked to build over the last eight seasons? You might have a point if he didn't credit individual coaches at pretty much every opportunity.

[wm4]

"Let me be really blunt about this: That is not at the forefront of our recruiting." "That is not what drives the program and what drives recruiting."

You're cherry-picking. He does acknowledge their importance in the very same answer, but he articulates that the facilities aren't what they sell recruits on. You're trying way too hard.

Of course I'm cherry-picking. I'm making an argument that Glenn is all ego. I'm going to pick statements that prove that. Glenn's first response to a statement about the facilities (I don't think it was even a question - Dave Lee just said they were great) was that they aren' t the reason he's successful at recruiting. He said all the right things after that, but his first statement was that it doesn't make a difference. He didn't have to object to that statement - he made a clear and purposeful answer ("Let me be blunt:") that the facilities were not the reason for his success. The implication being that he was the reason for the success.

There were a bunch of other things in the interview that I found very "me me me" (like when someone asked about Mount Union's success, he first pointed out the success he'd had. True, he was honoring Mount Union with that response by comparing his two title game appearances that any team in the country would love to have with Mount's 20, but he could have honored Mount Union just by pointing to Mount Union's success, instead of first pointing out how great he was).

And yes, I'm cherry-picking that, too. Because the guy rubs me the wrong way. If he was coaching at Macalester still and saying these things, it'd still rub me the wrong way. It has some to do with him being the coach at St. Thomas, but more to do with his inflated self importance.

Bethel was our biggest rival for a decade. And beat us a lot. I love Steve Johnson. Good guy and a great coach. This isn't sour grapes.

Like I said earlier - I really like this St. Thomas team. They're a team and better than the sum of their parts. And their coach is largely responsible for that. He's a great coach. He just rubs me the wrong way.

You should charge GC rent for all that time he takes up in your mind.  Just a thought.

[AO]

Seems like the proper time to spin the tale that is "Saint Glen".

It's 2011, and Mount had just lost to UWW for the third time in a row.  Caruso had been in Salem for a few days, as one of his players was up for the Gagliardi trophy.  He heads to Mount's locker room, and encounters Larry Kehres.  Coach Kehres, after just losing the national championship game, sits with Caruso for around 45 minutes to let him pick his brain, talk football, etc...  LK leaves that meeting thinking that Caruso is a pretty good guy.

Jump forward a year, and it's the Tommies vs. Mount in the Stagg Bowl.  Caruso was acting ummm..."jerky" all week (insert your own word here), and then came the game.  As well documented, Mount has an insurmountable lead, and as per usual classy LK style, starts to take a knee knowing the game is over.  First time they do it, here comes the Tommies through the line wacking the QB.  Caruso calls time-out, gets his men together, and everyone assumes it to tell them to chill out and stay classy.  BUT NOOO...he pretty much tells them to "play to the end of the whistle", and they hit the QB again.  Now LK is totally pissed, and we then run a play.  The Mount players were besides themselves, and wanted to either punch one in the end zone, or punch a certain coach and some of this players. 

After the game LK was hot, and really didn't want to shake Caruso's hand, or hear anything he had to say.  VK will have that memory running through his head this week, so it could get really interesting in the Stagg.  With the Tommies showing they play to the very "end of the whistle", I can see this game getting chippy pretty quickly.  VK might just rip off Caruso's head if that crap happens again.

Like I said...should be fun!

I know we went through this 3 years ago on the OAC board, but who goes into victory formation before they know they can run out the clock?

Yah AO, we did go over this three years ago.  Mount goes into victory formation when the team they're playing PUNTS THE BALL on fourth down with hardly any time left on the clock,  which to any rational person would seem to mean that you as a coach are throwing up the white flag.

In the 3 years since that game and argument I haven't seen a team take the victory formation before they could run out the clock.  Maybe you could point me to a few examples?  Maybe a team losing by 60 didn't use their timeouts?  In those games you usually don't bother with the victory formation and you let the backups continue to run plays.

[jamtod]

Seems like the proper time to spin the tale that is "Saint Glen".

It's 2011, and Mount had just lost to UWW for the third time in a row.  Caruso had been in Salem for a few days, as one of his players was up for the Gagliardi trophy.  He heads to Mount's locker room, and encounters Larry Kehres.  Coach Kehres, after just losing the national championship game, sits with Caruso for around 45 minutes to let him pick his brain, talk football, etc...  LK leaves that meeting thinking that Caruso is a pretty good guy.

Jump forward a year, and it's the Tommies vs. Mount in the Stagg Bowl.  Caruso was acting ummm..."jerky" all week (insert your own word here), and then came the game.  As well documented, Mount has an insurmountable lead, and as per usual classy LK style, starts to take a knee knowing the game is over.  First time they do it, here comes the Tommies through the line wacking the QB.  Caruso calls time-out, gets his men together, and everyone assumes it to tell them to chill out and stay classy.  BUT NOOO...he pretty much tells them to "play to the end of the whistle", and they hit the QB again.  Now LK is totally pissed, and we then run a play.  The Mount players were besides themselves, and wanted to either punch one in the end zone, or punch a certain coach and some of this players. 

After the game LK was hot, and really didn't want to shake Caruso's hand, or hear anything he had to say.  VK will have that memory running through his head this week, so it could get really interesting in the Stagg.  With the Tommies showing they play to the very "end of the whistle", I can see this game getting chippy pretty quickly.  VK might just rip off Caruso's head if that crap happens again.

Like I said...should be fun!

I know we went through this 3 years ago on the OAC board, but who goes into victory formation before they know they can run out the clock?

Yah AO, we did go over this three years ago.  Mount goes into victory formation when the team they're playing PUNTS THE BALL on fourth down with hardly any time left on the clock,  which to any rational person would seem to mean that you as a coach are throwing up the white flag.

In the 3 years since that game and argument I haven't seen a team take the victory formation before they could run out the clock.  Maybe you could point me to a few examples?  Maybe a team losing by 60 didn't use their timeouts?  In those games you usually don't bother with the victory formation and you let the backups continue to run plays.

I went back and reread the arguments from 2012. Perhaps we could just post a link back to that rather than rehashing it here.

[AO]

I went back and reread the arguments from 2012. Perhaps we could just post a link back to that rather than rehashing it here.

You clearly haven't been around this board very long.  We take a special pride in our ability to rehash old arguments. 

[Johns Knees]

"Let me be really blunt about this: That is not at the forefront of our recruiting." "That is not what drives the program and what drives recruiting."

You're cherry-picking. He does acknowledge their importance in the very same answer, but he articulates that the facilities aren't what they sell recruits on. You're trying way too hard.

Of course I'm cherry-picking. I'm making an argument that Glenn is all ego. I'm going to pick statements that prove that. Glenn's first response to a statement about the facilities (I don't think it was even a question - Dave Lee just said they were great) was that they aren' t the reason he's successful at recruiting. He said all the right things after that, but his first statement was that it doesn't make a difference. He didn't have to object to that statement - he made a clear and purposeful answer ("Let me be blunt:") that the facilities were not the reason for his success. The implication being that he was the reason for the success.

There were a bunch of other things in the interview that I found very "me me me" (like when someone asked about Mount Union's success, he first pointed out the success he'd had. True, he was honoring Mount Union with that response by comparing his two title game appearances that any team in the country would love to have with Mount's 20, but he could have honored Mount Union just by pointing to Mount Union's success, instead of first pointing out how great he was).

And yes, I'm cherry-picking that, too. Because the guy rubs me the wrong way. If he was coaching at Macalester still and saying these things, it'd still rub me the wrong way. It has some to do with him being the coach at St. Thomas, but more to do with his inflated self importance.

Bethel was our biggest rival for a decade. And beat us a lot. I love Steve Johnson. Good guy and a great coach. This isn't sour grapes.

Like I said earlier - I really like this St. Thomas team. They're a team and better than the sum of their parts. And their coach is largely responsible for that. He's a great coach. He just rubs me the wrong way.

You should charge GC rent for all that time he takes up in your mind.  Just a thought.

I think this is the first time I've brought him up in over a decade on this board. Sorry if it offends you. Or him. Good luck to your team!

[jamtod]

I went back and reread the arguments from 2012. Perhaps we could just post a link back to that rather than rehashing it here.

You clearly haven't been around this board very long.  We take a special pride in our ability to rehash old arguments. 

I'm all for that I guess. I'm just looking forward to new reasons to discuss Caruso's lack of class. :-)

For the record, I think you are dead wrong and your logic is inconsistent on this one.

[Johns Knees]

Of course I'm cherry-picking. I'm making an argument that Glenn is all ego. I'm going to pick statements that prove that.

And ignore statements that would undermine your argument from the start. Cherry-picking and posting quotes out of context makes for a lousy argument.

he made a clear and purposeful answer ("Let me be blunt:") that the facilities were not the reason for his success. The implication being that he was the reason for the success.

Your inference being that GC was the reason for the success. That's the only alternative? Not the culture he and his entire coaching staff have worked to build over the last eight seasons? You might have a point if he didn't credit individual coaches at pretty much every opportunity.

Unfortunately, he didn't mention another coach at all in his response. Seems like I'm not the only one inferring and cherry-picking responses.

You have your opinion of him. I have mine. They're different.

[art76]

Mmmmmm - the crow is tasty this morning.

Boy was I way wrong about the Mount Union-Whitewater match-up. I was pretty certain that the Purple Raiders were over-hyped and hadn't been tested. Nope, they are that good this year.

I was half-right, as St. Thomas was dominant in their game against Linfield.

You'd think I'd be gun-shy by now, but I'm not - after this weekend's results I'm leaning towards a Tommie win. I'm also hoping for a better (read closer) game on Friday night. I just think that even though Mount is "that good" this year, I don't think they'll have quite enough to get by the Tommies.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out, because some of the teams that have lost to these two Stagg Bowl contestants are tied to their results when it comes to the final Top 25 Poll put out after the game. There's already been some discussion on this board about that.

[nkwest]

Unfortunately, he didn't mention another coach at all in his response. Seems like I'm not the only one inferring and cherry-picking responses.

Is there a coach to mention when talking about culture? Program effort. Watch a press conference or read an interview or two. He dishes out all the credit and shoulders all of the blame.

You have your opinion of him. I have mine. They're different.

Haters gonna hate.

[Tom Thumb]

A lot has already been said about UST's depth this season. They are truly deep all around. However, one area that really stands out in my mind is the depth at the LB position. UST has a ton of young talent at that position and they've begun to move some of those guys around this year. Harrell, Addo, and Stevson all return next year. Kraft and Knight have been rotating in for Addo and Stevson all year and have done a great job as sophomores.

As we know, Anthony King Foreman moved from linebacker to the defensive line this year and has been great. I've noticed that they recently moved Johnny Heller from LB to the DL as well. Heller was running with the second team behind Harrell and McClanahan. That move freed up some spots for freshmen LBs Matt Mitchell and Adam Brant. They've been seeing a lot of time behind Harrell and McClanahan this season.

Mark Dowdle, the cousin of Charlie Dowdle, is another LB that has been getting some time. He was All State in Illinois as a CB. I wonder if UST moves him back out that way after Mozus and Jordan graduate this year, as he has the size and coverage skills that UST likes at that position.