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Quote from: sjusection105 on December 15, 2015, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Reverend MIAC on December 15, 2015, 03:38:36 PM
Just an observation, but it's so refreshing to have more Tommies on this board nowadays. I hope the F.A.M.I.L.Y continues to grow.
We know Bench will be around next week regardless of results on Friday. How about the rest of you "Tommies come lately"?

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The previous mention of a true blocking FB is an interesting component of this match up as Mount doesn't see any old school traditional offenses in the OAC outside of Baldwin Wallace and they're very average.  Only real power team they've played is UWW.  Almost all of their games are against spread or passing heavy teams, hence the 4-2-5 defensive alignment as their base.  The power running game with a TE or two has given Mount trouble historically.    That's not what they typically see nor is the scheme and personnel geared towards it.  Not saying Mount is incapable of defending power, just that it's outside the norm.
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Quote from: bennie on December 15, 2015, 03:59:13 PM
Yeah, what is with the Friday night (or in my case late afternoon) game. Don't they know we have holiday party obligations?? :P I miss the Saturday (morning for me) Stagg Bowl games...

So do I. Travel is much easier when the game is on Saturday. Noon kicks were the best.

emma17

My understanding is the Tommies' D went lighter/quicker at the LB spot.
That move might prove to be very beneficial. It was painful watching UWW's LB's struggle to breakdown and tackle Scott and Nemeth- both have very quick feet.
Trying to sack Scott is challenging for the same reason- he's like Packman in the way he changes directions.

faunch

Quote from: Toph on December 15, 2015, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: bennie on December 15, 2015, 03:59:13 PM
Yeah, what is with the Friday night (or in my case late afternoon) game. Don't they know we have holiday party obligations?? :P I miss the Saturday (morning for me) Stagg Bowl games...

So do I. Travel is much easier when the game is on Saturday. Noon kicks were the best.

I've commented on this before.  It doesn't make sense that most D3 games are played during the season are Saturday afternoon games and then the championship kickoff is at 6pm on a Friday.


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Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2015, 06:17:32 PM
You guys are asking the NCAA to stand up to TV money - good luck with that! ::)

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I love the Friday games.  I'd be taking Friday off work to travel anyway and this allows us to drive halfway home after the game, stop at some flea bag hotel in WV, and be home by noon on Saturday.
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Quote from: ron doney on December 15, 2015, 01:58:15 AM
UST's two tight end rolled Linfield's down lineman and up backs.  Dowdle made blocking Hoff look routine*.
Whitewater's TE's were not as impressive against Mount.  And that's not a compliment to Mount.  I wish I could post a picture of how one WW tight end gets down in his stance - when you are 6'6" and your stance looks like you are squatting in the woods, doesn't bode well for leverage off the line (guy gets away with just being a big lug).

I think the superior TE play for UST will be a material difference in the game against Mount.  And I like those chances.


I've seen the better part of 4 UWW games this year (Morningside, UWO x2, Mount). So I've seen them against their best competition. You're underselling the play of their TE's. Dowdle is a talent. I've posted as much on these boards before. But UWW didn't have average TE's. They had very good ones. They were the main receiving threat for Whitewater on Saturday and are very physical blockers.

I think UST's TE play will be a crucial part of the game. But you're take on Whitewater TE's says more about you than it does about them.

That said, I think Dowdle is a better matchup against Mount. He's a better athlete and can stretch the field more effectively. UWW's TE combo excel at physicality and blocking (though they made several crucial receptions on Saturday). Mount's speed on the front 7 and Whitewater's lack of a threat to consistently stretch the field were trouble.

I also think people who've only seen UST during the playoffs are drastically underselling their passing game. They've pounded the ball for several weeks because they could and because they got up early and big. In those games, it made perfect sense to pound the ball and control the clock.

Gould has impressed me. They don't have one Blake Elliot/Garcon type threat (no one does this season). But their receiving corps is very capable. Wabash was effective against the run, but people also fail to note that they brought extra help into the box. Their gameplan seemed to be, lets force Gould and the passing attack to beat us. Result? They did.

Linfield attempted to play UST more straight up in the first half. Result, they got steamrolled.

Mount's 4-2-5 D will be an interesting scheme matchup against UST's power football. Add in the fact that they've really only seen a fraction of UST's passing attack and offense, it's an interesting situation.

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Quote from: hazzben on December 15, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: ron doney on December 15, 2015, 01:58:15 AM
UST's two tight end rolled Linfield's down lineman and up backs.  Dowdle made blocking Hoff look routine*.
Whitewater's TE's were not as impressive against Mount.  And that's not a compliment to Mount.  I wish I could post a picture of how one WW tight end gets down in his stance - when you are 6'6" and your stance looks like you are squatting in the woods, doesn't bode well for leverage off the line (guy gets away with just being a big lug).

I think the superior TE play for UST will be a material difference in the game against Mount.  And I like those chances.


I've seen the better part of 4 UWW games this year (Morningside, UWO x2, Mount). So I've seen them against their best competition. You're underselling the play of their TE's. Dowdle is a talent. I've posted as much on these boards before. But UWW didn't have average TE's. They had very good ones. They were the main receiving threat for Whitewater on Saturday and are very physical blockers.

I think UST's TE play will be a crucial part of the game. But you're take on Whitewater TE's says more about you than it does about them.

That said, I think Dowdle is a better matchup against Mount. He's a better athlete and can stretch the field more effectively. UWW's TE combo excel at physicality and blocking (though they made several crucial receptions on Saturday). Mount's speed on the front 7 and Whitewater's lack of a threat to consistently stretch the field were trouble.

I also think people who've only seen UST during the playoffs are drastically underselling their passing game. They've pounded the ball for several weeks because they could and because they got up early and big. In those games, it made perfect sense to pound the ball and control the clock.

Gould has impressed me. They don't have one Blake Elliot/Garcon type threat (no one does this season). But their receiving corps is very capable. Wabash was effective against the run, but people also fail to note that they brought extra help into the box. Their gameplan seemed to be, lets force Gould and the passing attack to beat us. Result? They did.

Linfield attempted to play UST more straight up in the first half. Result, they got steamrolled.

Mount's 4-2-5 D will be an interesting scheme matchup against UST's power football. Add in the fact that they've really only seen a fraction of UST's passing attack and offense, it's an interesting situation.

Hazzben, I think you're starting to turn to the dark side. The Empire calls...

Edit: Hazzben, I am your father. Feel the power of the dark side of the force...

tommiegun

Quote from: Reverend MIAC on December 15, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: hazzben on December 15, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: ron doney on December 15, 2015, 01:58:15 AM
UST's two tight end rolled Linfield's down lineman and up backs.  Dowdle made blocking Hoff look routine*.
Whitewater's TE's were not as impressive against Mount.  And that's not a compliment to Mount.  I wish I could post a picture of how one WW tight end gets down in his stance - when you are 6'6" and your stance looks like you are squatting in the woods, doesn't bode well for leverage off the line (guy gets away with just being a big lug).

I think the superior TE play for UST will be a material difference in the game against Mount.  And I like those chances.


I've seen the better part of 4 UWW games this year (Morningside, UWO x2, Mount). So I've seen them against their best competition. You're underselling the play of their TE's. Dowdle is a talent. I've posted as much on these boards before. But UWW didn't have average TE's. They had very good ones. They were the main receiving threat for Whitewater on Saturday and are very physical blockers.

I think UST's TE play will be a crucial part of the game. But you're take on Whitewater TE's says more about you than it does about them.

That said, I think Dowdle is a better matchup against Mount. He's a better athlete and can stretch the field more effectively. UWW's TE combo excel at physicality and blocking (though they made several crucial receptions on Saturday). Mount's speed on the front 7 and Whitewater's lack of a threat to consistently stretch the field were trouble.

I also think people who've only seen UST during the playoffs are drastically underselling their passing game. They've pounded the ball for several weeks because they could and because they got up early and big. In those games, it made perfect sense to pound the ball and control the clock.

Gould has impressed me. They don't have one Blake Elliot/Garcon type threat (no one does this season). But their receiving corps is very capable. Wabash was effective against the run, but people also fail to note that they brought extra help into the box. Their gameplan seemed to be, lets force Gould and the passing attack to beat us. Result? They did.

Linfield attempted to play UST more straight up in the first half. Result, they got steamrolled.

Mount's 4-2-5 D will be an interesting scheme matchup against UST's power football. Add in the fact that they've really only seen a fraction of UST's passing attack and offense, it's an interesting situation.

Hazzben, I think you're starting to turn to the dark side. The Empire calls...

Edit: Hazzben, I am your father. Feel the power of the dark side of the force...

Good... gooooood. Embrace the power of the dark side.

sjusection105

Quote from: Reverend MIAC on December 15, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: hazzben on December 15, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: ron doney on December 15, 2015, 01:58:15 AM
UST's two tight end rolled Linfield's down lineman and up backs.  Dowdle made blocking Hoff look routine*.
Whitewater's TE's were not as impressive against Mount.  And that's not a compliment to Mount.  I wish I could post a picture of how one WW tight end gets down in his stance - when you are 6'6" and your stance looks like you are squatting in the woods, doesn't bode well for leverage off the line (guy gets away with just being a big lug).

I think the superior TE play for UST will be a material difference in the game against Mount.  And I like those chances.


I've seen the better part of 4 UWW games this year (Morningside, UWO x2, Mount). So I've seen them against their best competition. You're underselling the play of their TE's. Dowdle is a talent. I've posted as much on these boards before. But UWW didn't have average TE's. They had very good ones. They were the main receiving threat for Whitewater on Saturday and are very physical blockers.

I think UST's TE play will be a crucial part of the game. But you're take on Whitewater TE's says more about you than it does about them.

That said, I think Dowdle is a better matchup against Mount. He's a better athlete and can stretch the field more effectively. UWW's TE combo excel at physicality and blocking (though they made several crucial receptions on Saturday). Mount's speed on the front 7 and Whitewater's lack of a threat to consistently stretch the field were trouble.

I also think people who've only seen UST during the playoffs are drastically underselling their passing game. They've pounded the ball for several weeks because they could and because they got up early and big. In those games, it made perfect sense to pound the ball and control the clock.

Gould has impressed me. They don't have one Blake Elliot/Garcon type threat (no one does this season). But their receiving corps is very capable. Wabash was effective against the run, but people also fail to note that they brought extra help into the box. Their gameplan seemed to be, lets force Gould and the passing attack to beat us. Result? They did.

Linfield attempted to play UST more straight up in the first half. Result, they got steamrolled.

Mount's 4-2-5 D will be an interesting scheme matchup against UST's power football. Add in the fact that they've really only seen a fraction of UST's passing attack and offense, it's an interesting situation.

Hazzben, I think you're starting to turn to the dark side. The Empire calls...

Edit: Hazzben, I am your father. Feel the power of the dark side of the force...
Not even close. Hazzben has a very astute defensive mind and is just stating what he is observing. He's a Bethel guy through and through not a bit of Tommie wannabe in him.
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Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: tommiegun on December 15, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: Reverend MIAC on December 15, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: hazzben on December 15, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: ron doney on December 15, 2015, 01:58:15 AM
UST's two tight end rolled Linfield's down lineman and up backs.  Dowdle made blocking Hoff look routine*.
Whitewater's TE's were not as impressive against Mount.  And that's not a compliment to Mount.  I wish I could post a picture of how one WW tight end gets down in his stance - when you are 6'6" and your stance looks like you are squatting in the woods, doesn't bode well for leverage off the line (guy gets away with just being a big lug).

I think the superior TE play for UST will be a material difference in the game against Mount.  And I like those chances.


I've seen the better part of 4 UWW games this year (Morningside, UWO x2, Mount). So I've seen them against their best competition. You're underselling the play of their TE's. Dowdle is a talent. I've posted as much on these boards before. But UWW didn't have average TE's. They had very good ones. They were the main receiving threat for Whitewater on Saturday and are very physical blockers.

I think UST's TE play will be a crucial part of the game. But you're take on Whitewater TE's says more about you than it does about them.

That said, I think Dowdle is a better matchup against Mount. He's a better athlete and can stretch the field more effectively. UWW's TE combo excel at physicality and blocking (though they made several crucial receptions on Saturday). Mount's speed on the front 7 and Whitewater's lack of a threat to consistently stretch the field were trouble.

I also think people who've only seen UST during the playoffs are drastically underselling their passing game. They've pounded the ball for several weeks because they could and because they got up early and big. In those games, it made perfect sense to pound the ball and control the clock.

Gould has impressed me. They don't have one Blake Elliot/Garcon type threat (no one does this season). But their receiving corps is very capable. Wabash was effective against the run, but people also fail to note that they brought extra help into the box. Their gameplan seemed to be, lets force Gould and the passing attack to beat us. Result? They did.

Linfield attempted to play UST more straight up in the first half. Result, they got steamrolled.

Mount's 4-2-5 D will be an interesting scheme matchup against UST's power football. Add in the fact that they've really only seen a fraction of UST's passing attack and offense, it's an interesting situation.

Hazzben, I think you're starting to turn to the dark side. The Empire calls...

Edit: Hazzben, I am your father. Feel the power of the dark side of the force...

Good... gooooood. Embrace the power of the dark side.

UM, maybe you guys recall what happened when Luke confronted his father?! :o  You really want the Emperor destroyed? ;D

Mr.MIAC

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Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 15, 2015, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: tommiegun on December 15, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: Reverend MIAC on December 15, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: hazzben on December 15, 2015, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: ron doney on December 15, 2015, 01:58:15 AM
UST's two tight end rolled Linfield's down lineman and up backs.  Dowdle made blocking Hoff look routine*.
Whitewater's TE's were not as impressive against Mount.  And that's not a compliment to Mount.  I wish I could post a picture of how one WW tight end gets down in his stance - when you are 6'6" and your stance looks like you are squatting in the woods, doesn't bode well for leverage off the line (guy gets away with just being a big lug).

I think the superior TE play for UST will be a material difference in the game against Mount.  And I like those chances.


I've seen the better part of 4 UWW games this year (Morningside, UWO x2, Mount). So I've seen them against their best competition. You're underselling the play of their TE's. Dowdle is a talent. I've posted as much on these boards before. But UWW didn't have average TE's. They had very good ones. They were the main receiving threat for Whitewater on Saturday and are very physical blockers.

I think UST's TE play will be a crucial part of the game. But you're take on Whitewater TE's says more about you than it does about them.

That said, I think Dowdle is a better matchup against Mount. He's a better athlete and can stretch the field more effectively. UWW's TE combo excel at physicality and blocking (though they made several crucial receptions on Saturday). Mount's speed on the front 7 and Whitewater's lack of a threat to consistently stretch the field were trouble.

I also think people who've only seen UST during the playoffs are drastically underselling their passing game. They've pounded the ball for several weeks because they could and because they got up early and big. In those games, it made perfect sense to pound the ball and control the clock.

Gould has impressed me. They don't have one Blake Elliot/Garcon type threat (no one does this season). But their receiving corps is very capable. Wabash was effective against the run, but people also fail to note that they brought extra help into the box. Their gameplan seemed to be, lets force Gould and the passing attack to beat us. Result? They did.

Linfield attempted to play UST more straight up in the first half. Result, they got steamrolled.

Mount's 4-2-5 D will be an interesting scheme matchup against UST's power football. Add in the fact that they've really only seen a fraction of UST's passing attack and offense, it's an interesting situation.

Hazzben, I think you're starting to turn to the dark side. The Empire calls...

Edit: Hazzben, I am your father. Feel the power of the dark side of the force...

Good... gooooood. Embrace the power of the dark side.

UM, maybe you guys recall what happened when Luke confronted his father?! :o  You really want the Emperor destroyed? ;D

I guess we'll see how the Emperor turned out in a few days. Also, nobody ever claimed Hazzben is a UST wannabe. He's someone who recognizes winners, whether they be at Bethel or UST. Used to be at SJ2 too, but now they're more akin to the prequels.

hazzben