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[OzJohnnie]

I wonder if the court addressed those questions.

[RoyalsFan]

A follow-up on Making a Murder. Apparently he confessed and that part was left out of the show.

Just to be fair, they did show part of his confession on Making a Murderer. Since it was a 4 hour confession, they didn't show the whole thing, just parts of it and obviously had to leave some parts out. But my main point is that they didn't leave his confession out of the show like you are suggesting. He did make a confession but then later recanted it.

[retagent]

He was represented in court by an advocate. The court did not throw out the confession. I suppose you believe O. J. is innocent too.

[Mr. Ypsi]

A follow-up on Making a Murder. Apparently he confessed and that part was left out of the show.

Just to be fair, they did show part of his confession on Making a Murderer. Since it was a 4 hour confession, they didn't show the whole thing, just parts of it and obviously had to leave some parts out. But my main point is that they didn't leave his confession out of the show like you are suggesting. He did make a confession but then later recanted it.

Despite the fact that 16-year-olds think they know everything, any cop worth his badge (but with low ethics) could get even a 'normal' 16-year-old to falsely confess to assassinating Lincoln in the absence of parents or lawyers, much less getting a confession from a 'retard' (as I have FINALLY gotten my 24-year-old to stop saying ).  The confession is absolutely, totally worthless as evidence.

C'mon Oz, you're better than presenting this 'confession'.

(And I have no opinion whatsoever on the case, which I only heard about from this board.)

[RoyalsFan]

He was represented in court by an advocate. The court did not throw out the confession. I suppose you believe O. J. is innocent too.

Who are you directing this at?

[OzJohnnie]

Although fun to have something to talk about, can we all agree that this is off-season page-filler and not personal?  Otherwise I won't continue.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer but we have to be careful with things like this. It can cause uneccesary consternation.

[faunch]

He was represented in court by an advocate. The court did not throw out the confession. I suppose you believe O. J. is innocent too.

Not sure who this is directed at either...one thing to think about though.  At the Simpson / Goldman murder scene their was blood everywhere.  In Halbach case she was allegedly stabbed  multiple times in the bedroom yet non of the victims blood was found anywhere.  I don't get it.

[retagent]

Maybe I'm being too obtuse here regarding the Avery case. All I ask is that if you are truly interested, do some real research, and get the entire story. Also remember the victim here, and that is not Avery. It is Theresa Halbach. Avery targeted her, calling here 3 times on what he thought was an untraceable phone. Then called her number, after he had killed her, on his cell phone, which he knew would be traceable. We call this an act indicating guilt.

To Ypsi. A cop can take out his gun and kill anyone he wants as well. There are consequences to acts such as this. The sooner we get over the notion that cops are sleazy amoral people, who do anything necessary to "get the job done," the sooner you will be open to the truth. I've worked with many law enforcement agencies and officers/agents, and although there were some that were a$$h0les, there were none that I ran into, who would do the things you see routinely on television and in movies, to bring about a result they desired. I'm not saying that there are none in existence, just that it's extremely rare. The same can be said of the prosecutors I came in contact with. Just keep repeating, "It's only a movie, it's only a movie."

[Mr. Ypsi]

retagent, you've got me pegged wrong.  I taught my whole career in the department of sociology, anthropology, and criminology, so I taught plenty of cops and future cops - nearly all were good people.  I am by no means anti-cop.  And the cops in this case may not even have intended to get a 'false' confession.  But the kid would certainly assume that they wanted him to confess, and confessing is a way to end the ordeal (in the mind of a kid, especially a low-IQ kid).  I'm merely noting that the confession, per se, is totally without merit as evidence.

[retagent]

Thanks for the added info. There was plenty of other evidence that pointed to his guilt. And, as I'm sure you know, the prosecutors are bound to turn over exculpatory evidence to the defense. Something the defense is not obligated to do. The jury heard all the evidence, and probably weighed the "confession" as you did.

I have to take back a bit of what I posted earlier. I can remember one instance where it appeared the police fed information to someone who confessed to a crime he had not committed. I believe it was done so as an inducement to a more lenient sentence for another crime he had committed, and in order for those officers to "clear" an old case. Certainly not ethical, and it presented problems later when the actual culprit was caught.

[hazzben]

Although fun to have something to talk about, can we all agree that this is off-season page-filler and not personal?  Otherwise I won't continue.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer but we have to be careful with things like this. It can cause uneccesary consternation.

Nope, you're an evil Neanderthal Oz 

[SagatagSam]

Ran into SagatagSam at the Gophers v Indiana game. I can only say South Dakota has changed him. The proof? Not only was he not wearing maroon or gold, he was sporting Indiana colors. The same Indiana coached by Tom Crean.

It's a function of maintaining a happy marriage.

However, I was standing up and singing the Minnesota Rouser (yes, I know all the words) at every opportunity. That steamed my Hoosier wife a little bit.

My little brother-in-law told (a senior at IU this year) said a friend of his works at Tom Crean's tailor and pointed out that Crean asks for pants that are a couple sizes larger than recommended when he buys his suits.  Crean is a toolbag.

[MIAC23]

Ran into SagatagSam at the Gophers v Indiana game. I can only say South Dakota has changed him. The proof? Not only was he not wearing maroon or gold, he was sporting Indiana colors. The same Indiana coached by Tom Crean.

It's a function of maintaining a happy marriage.

However, I was standing up and singing the Minnesota Rouser (yes, I know all the words) at every opportunity. That steamed my Hoosier wife a little bit.

My little brother-in-law told (a senior at IU this year) said a friend of his works at Tom Crean's tailor and pointed out that Crean asks for pants that are a couple sizes larger than recommended when he buys his suits.  Crean is a toolbag.

I bet he and his brother-in-law Jim have some very interesting conversations at the holiday table.

[badgerwarhawk]

Avery has filed a self prepared appeal though I'm not sure on what grounds. 

[OzJohnnie]

Royals drink light beer.