FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jamtod]

I don't have too much to add from Saturday's game.  It was very winnable for the good guys, but they shot themselves in the foot a few too many times.  Gotta clean that up.  Erdmann continues to impress me.  Not a perfect game by him, but he's a freshman, and a darn good one!

It doesn't appear that Fenske is a deep threat.  Is that an accurate statement, or was he off?  I can't think of one throw longer than about 10 yards that was on-target.  Any more info on Roberts?

That's probably not unfair. Not a lot of reasons I can think of as to why a 6'5" 220lb kid would get beat out for the job by Gould. There were a few misses, but the play that stands out is when Waldvogel had 2 or 3 steps on the CB and S and Fenske just sailed it.

My two cents...Fenske generally throws a great deep ball but on Saturday, everything deep was overthrown, and not even close.  With Reed's speed and Fenske's arm, you knew they were going to take shots down field and I'm surprised at least a couple of those weren't completed.  UST left at least one, maybe two TD passes on the field. 

Worth noting that Fenske finished at 50% on Saturday, while in this game last year Gould was 8-22. 

By week 4, you kind of are who you are.  UST's run game and line have to come together more if they're going to make a deep run into the season.  SJU front defense was very solid and yes, they packed 8, sometimes 9 in the box and that will always be tough to run against.  But when you need 3-4 yards on 3rd down, UST is going to have to have a higher success rates getting those yards.  Even on first down, it would nice to pick up 5-7 yards on the ground and keep the defense on their heels a bit.

I'm not pulling up the boxscores at the moment, but that 50% completion mark has been pretty close to standard for Fenske this year, and yet his yards per attempt remains high (near top of MIAC if not D3) because of those long connections with Reed that generally come into play.

[SJUrube]

Watching the Tommie-Johnnie replay on stretch right now. Quite entertaining listening to VOJ and company.

In the 4th quarter, UST was called for a personal foul with 7:36 remaining in the game, hitting Erdmann out of bounds and one of the color guys (I think, I don't think it was VOJ) observed that one of the SJU coaches was getting in the ear of the official, noting "consider who it is, the little man in white across the way" at which point the producer wisely fades out the volume so that the coach criticism can't be heard.
Who was he making a reference to and what is the story there?

I haven't watched the webcast but I'm nearly positive I can add some clarity as I saw this play out during the game - I was sitting in the top corner of the end zone bleachers (UST sideline end) opposite the scoreboard and had a good view of Caruso making his way 15-20 yards onto the field multiple times, probably most notably after the late hit on Erdmann. There were a few instances earlier in the game where SJU made hard tackles against UST running backs near their sideline. I'm assuming Glenn was upset that no late hits were called on any of those plays - though he'd be wrong in my opinion.

Someone in a reply post mentioned that Caruso doesn't like the late hits and extra penalties. What I found interesting is he didn't take the player out of the game after the late hit. Penalties happen but in that instance - SJU down 2 scores, non shifty QB on the home team sideline, SJU offense not picking up massive yards - you have to be smart and not put yourself in a situation for a penalty to be called. If I were in his shoes I would have saved my venom for my offending player.

The drive where the late hit was called ended with an SJU TD pass. As the players and officials made their way down the field the Glenn was giving chase to the official on their sideline. It looked like he eventually stopped around the 15 yard line, which is about 15 yards from the sideline coaches area.

[USTBench]

I don't have too much to add from Saturday's game.  It was very winnable for the good guys, but they shot themselves in the foot a few too many times.  Gotta clean that up.  Erdmann continues to impress me.  Not a perfect game by him, but he's a freshman, and a darn good one!

It doesn't appear that Fenske is a deep threat.  Is that an accurate statement, or was he off?  I can't think of one throw longer than about 10 yards that was on-target.  Any more info on Roberts?

That's probably not unfair. Not a lot of reasons I can think of as to why a 6'5" 220lb kid would get beat out for the job by Gould. There were a few misses, but the play that stands out is when Waldvogel had 2 or 3 steps on the CB and S and Fenske just sailed it.

My two cents...Fenske generally throws a great deep ball but on Saturday, everything deep was overthrown, and not even close.  With Reed's speed and Fenske's arm, you knew they were going to take shots down field and I'm surprised at least a couple of those weren't completed.  UST left at least one, maybe two TD passes on the field. 

Worth noting that Fenske finished at 50% on Saturday, while in this game last year Gould was 8-22. 

By week 4, you kind of are who you are.  UST's run game and line have to come together more if they're going to make a deep run into the season.  SJU front defense was very solid and yes, they packed 8, sometimes 9 in the box and that will always be tough to run against.  But when you need 3-4 yards on 3rd down, UST is going to have to have a higher success rates getting those yards.  Even on first down, it would nice to pick up 5-7 yards on the ground and keep the defense on their heels a bit.

Maybe I'm being unfair, but I feel like for the most part he had a fair amount of time to throw. Yeah, he was sacked 3 times, but one of those sacks he just sort of absent-mindedly drifted to his right into the arms of Pietruszewski, when there was a nice pocket for him to step into, it was just very awkward to watch. I just don't think, should UST see SJU again, or whoever comes out of the WIAC, that missing those open deep throws is going to get them to Salem. It's one thing to hit Reed or Waldvogel for a quick score when you're cruising to a 50 point win, quite another against a quality opponent when there's some jitters.

There's a reason he's starting, and he's looked solid for the most part this year. I just hope when some magic is required, he can deliver the tough throw in the clutch, and certainly hope he doesn't miss the easy, wide open, no-doubt-about-6. Hard to overthrow Waldvogel or Reed, just put some more air under it. I can forgive a pick 40 yards down field.

[wm4]

Watching the Tommie-Johnnie replay on stretch right now. Quite entertaining listening to VOJ and company.

In the 4th quarter, UST was called for a personal foul with 7:36 remaining in the game, hitting Erdmann out of bounds and one of the color guys (I think, I don't think it was VOJ) observed that one of the SJU coaches was getting in the ear of the official, noting "consider who it is, the little man in white across the way" at which point the producer wisely fades out the volume so that the coach criticism can't be heard.
Who was he making a reference to and what is the story there?

Can you watch the full replay or just the audio broadcast?  Thanks.

[jamtod]

Watching the Tommie-Johnnie replay on stretch right now. Quite entertaining listening to VOJ and company.

In the 4th quarter, UST was called for a personal foul with 7:36 remaining in the game, hitting Erdmann out of bounds and one of the color guys (I think, I don't think it was VOJ) observed that one of the SJU coaches was getting in the ear of the official, noting "consider who it is, the little man in white across the way" at which point the producer wisely fades out the volume so that the coach criticism can't be heard.
Who was he making a reference to and what is the story there?

Can you watch the full replay or just the audio broadcast?  Thanks.

The link is on the previous page. I was able to watch the full replay, but it looks like that is not available anymore and it's just the audio.

[wm4]

I don't have too much to add from Saturday's game.  It was very winnable for the good guys, but they shot themselves in the foot a few too many times.  Gotta clean that up.  Erdmann continues to impress me.  Not a perfect game by him, but he's a freshman, and a darn good one!

It doesn't appear that Fenske is a deep threat.  Is that an accurate statement, or was he off?  I can't think of one throw longer than about 10 yards that was on-target.  Any more info on Roberts?

That's probably not unfair. Not a lot of reasons I can think of as to why a 6'5" 220lb kid would get beat out for the job by Gould. There were a few misses, but the play that stands out is when Waldvogel had 2 or 3 steps on the CB and S and Fenske just sailed it.

My two cents...Fenske generally throws a great deep ball but on Saturday, everything deep was overthrown, and not even close.  With Reed's speed and Fenske's arm, you knew they were going to take shots down field and I'm surprised at least a couple of those weren't completed.  UST left at least one, maybe two TD passes on the field. 

Worth noting that Fenske finished at 50% on Saturday, while in this game last year Gould was 8-22. 

By week 4, you kind of are who you are.  UST's run game and line have to come together more if they're going to make a deep run into the season.  SJU front defense was very solid and yes, they packed 8, sometimes 9 in the box and that will always be tough to run against.  But when you need 3-4 yards on 3rd down, UST is going to have to have a higher success rates getting those yards.  Even on first down, it would nice to pick up 5-7 yards on the ground and keep the defense on their heels a bit.

I'm not pulling up the boxscores at the moment, but that 50% completion mark has been pretty close to standard for Fenske this year, and yet his yards per attempt remains high (near top of MIAC if not D3) because of those long connections with Reed that generally come into play.

Yep, was at 57% going into the game Saturday. 

[faunch]

I don't have too much to add from Saturday's game.  It was very winnable for the good guys, but they shot themselves in the foot a few too many times.  Gotta clean that up.  Erdmann continues to impress me.  Not a perfect game by him, but he's a freshman, and a darn good one!

It doesn't appear that Fenske is a deep threat.  Is that an accurate statement, or was he off?  I can't think of one throw longer than about 10 yards that was on-target.  Any more info on Roberts?

Was it part of SJU's strategy to use up as much of the play clock as possible or did they have trouble getting plays called?  It seemed like there were a number of instances where they barely got a play off in time.

They also tried to go no huddle a couple of times in what I believe was an attempt to keep U$T from making defensive substitutions.  It didn't really seem to work.  I'd like to maybe see SJU go to calling / signaling plays in from the sidelines instead of shuttling them in by player.

[OzJohnnie]

I wasn't reading your comment as any sort of criticism of SJU's playcalling. It just reminded me of what I had heard a number of times about Jimmy.

Jimmy catches a lot of flack, but after Ramler's stint as OC, I have come to appreciate JG more.  He's definitely not a people person like his dad, but he generally calls a pretty good game.  People expect to see 10 yards/carry, and when that doesn't happen, they blame Jimmy.  Not every play is going to gain yards, but there is usually a reason for running it.

I've had that same thought. And I think many people have. The Jimmy grumbling is non-existent after his return.

[OzJohnnie]

I don't have too much to add from Saturday's game.  It was very winnable for the good guys, but they shot themselves in the foot a few too many times.  Gotta clean that up.  Erdmann continues to impress me.  Not a perfect game by him, but he's a freshman, and a darn good one!

It doesn't appear that Fenske is a deep threat.  Is that an accurate statement, or was he off?  I can't think of one throw longer than about 10 yards that was on-target.  Any more info on Roberts?

Was it part of SJU's strategy to use up as much of the play clock as possible or did they have trouble getting plays called?  It seemed like there were a number of instances where they barely got a play off in time.

They also tried to go no huddle a couple of times in what I believe was an attempt to keep U$T from making defensive substitutions.  It didn't really seem to work.  I'd like to maybe see SJU go to calling / signaling plays in from the sidelines instead of shuttling them in by player.

I also noticed the clock running down with great regularity. Erdmann was doing a lot of play calling at the line, it seemed.  I think the challenge of a very skilled defense coupled with a freshman QB still filling out his shoes, as good as he already is, made some things that would hope to run smoothly take a little longer.  I think it will work itself our with experience.

[jamtod]

I wasn't reading your comment as any sort of criticism of SJU's playcalling. It just reminded me of what I had heard a number of times about Jimmy.

Jimmy catches a lot of flack, but after Ramler's stint as OC, I have come to appreciate JG more.  He's definitely not a people person like his dad, but he generally calls a pretty good game.  People expect to see 10 yards/carry, and when that doesn't happen, they blame Jimmy.  Not every play is going to gain yards, but there is usually a reason for running it.

I've had that same thought. And I think many people have. The Jimmy grumbling is non-existent after his return.

Interesting. My experience with various Johnnies (including 1 who was a former player) on Saturday suggests it's still around to some degree, obviously with a small sample size caveat. The other time I had heard about it was several years ago, from a guy who played for John in his final years.

[Robert Zimmerman]

More stats from the Johnnie-Tommie game . . .

http://www.sctimes.com/story/sports/football/johnnie-football/2016/09/26/sju-blog-six-arrests-ustsju-game-saturday/91132866/

[OzJohnnie]

More stats from the Johnnie-Tommie game . . .

http://www.sctimes.com/story/sports/football/johnnie-football/2016/09/26/sju-blog-six-arrests-ustsju-game-saturday/91132866/

The article has a pro tip from the sheriff's department:

"Overall, it went pretty smoothly," Lentz said.
"There were others who probably could have been cited for minor consumption. But either our officers didn't have time to deal with them, or they kept a pretty low-profile and didn't draw attention to themselves."

[jamtod]

Watching the Tommie-Johnnie replay on stretch right now. Quite entertaining listening to VOJ and company.

In the 4th quarter, UST was called for a personal foul with 7:36 remaining in the game, hitting Erdmann out of bounds and one of the color guys (I think, I don't think it was VOJ) observed that one of the SJU coaches was getting in the ear of the official, noting "consider who it is, the little man in white across the way" at which point the producer wisely fades out the volume so that the coach criticism can't be heard.
Who was he making a reference to and what is the story there?

I haven't watched the webcast but I'm nearly positive I can add some clarity as I saw this play out during the game - I was sitting in the top corner of the end zone bleachers (UST sideline end) opposite the scoreboard and had a good view of Caruso making his way 15-20 yards onto the field multiple times, probably most notably after the late hit on Erdmann. There were a few instances earlier in the game where SJU made hard tackles against UST running backs near their sideline. I'm assuming Glenn was upset that no late hits were called on any of those plays - though he'd be wrong in my opinion.

Saw these replays tonight. The tackle "near the sideline" was actually a hit about 8 ft out of bounds on Parks.

But what really had Caruso fired up on the late hit out of bounds on Erdmann was the SJU coach (in a white shirt, not sure if that helps differentiate, don't know the coach's name) who came up and shoved UST's Dowdle after the play. Pretty ugly.

[MadRedFan]

Watching the Tommie-Johnnie replay on stretch right now. Quite entertaining listening to VOJ and company.

In the 4th quarter, UST was called for a personal foul with 7:36 remaining in the game, hitting Erdmann out of bounds and one of the color guys (I think, I don't think it was VOJ) observed that one of the SJU coaches was getting in the ear of the official, noting "consider who it is, the little man in white across the way" at which point the producer wisely fades out the volume so that the coach criticism can't be heard.
Who was he making a reference to and what is the story there?

I haven't watched the webcast but I'm nearly positive I can add some clarity as I saw this play out during the game - I was sitting in the top corner of the end zone bleachers (UST sideline end) opposite the scoreboard and had a good view of Caruso making his way 15-20 yards onto the field multiple times, probably most notably after the late hit on Erdmann. There were a few instances earlier in the game where SJU made hard tackles against UST running backs near their sideline. I'm assuming Glenn was upset that no late hits were called on any of those plays - though he'd be wrong in my opinion.

Saw these replays tonight. The tackle "near the sideline" was actually a hit about 8 ft out of bounds on Parks.

But what really had Caruso fired up on the late hit out of bounds on Erdmann was the SJU coach (in a white shirt, not sure if that helps differentiate, don't know the coach's name) who came up and shoved UST's Dowdle after the play. Pretty ugly.

From where I sat (50 yard line half way up, right behind the Johnnie bench) it looked to be Fasching who had hold of the Tommie by the jersey after the dirty late hit on Erdmann out of bounds.  Looked to me like he was pushing him out of the potential "scrum" as the Johnnies swarmed around after the play.  Didn't think much of it, altho I wouldn't be surprised if Fasching wasn't giving him the business vocally as well.  Maybe was someone else.

[OzJohnnie]

Who ever offended last is the loser in the modern age of professional offense taking.  I saw a Caruso cross his eyes and thumb his nose.