FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jamtod]

IMO with the exception of helping him up from the ground, warding him off to avoid being trampled or shaking hands following the game there is no circumstance in which a coach should put his hands on an opposing player.  Coaches need to maintain control of themselves.  The heat of competition is no excuse.

Would love to see the video however it's apparently playing on an imaginary video board inside of Clemens Stadium.

It was available on Stretch internet until a few days ago.
It was highlighted last night in the film session in relation to a question asked by a UST fan (possibly parent). If I had the means, I'd love to throw it up on Youtube.

If it's as egregious as you'e making it out to be it only would take U$T a few minutes on Hudl to share the video with the MIAC and even publish on youtube. 

I'm not sure what the incentive would be for that, from UST's perspective.

I don't know if the coach who shoved Dowdle was Fasching or an assistant, but I would hope that it has already been handled appropriately at SJU.

I'm also not sure that this goes beyond an unwritten rule, but it's troubling. I don't see any real value in going out of my way to find the video or post it, aside from showing strangers on the internet they are wrong (always a worthy endeavor). If you are so curious, perhaps you could inquire to the UST athletic department, MIAC office, or SJU athletic department.

PS: I fixed your quote above so folks can see what you actually said. Careful with those nasty quote tags.

[DuffMan]

Not sure why we're still dwelling on this.  It's not like the coach clocked the player.  And it wasn't Fasching. 

U$T won.  SJU lost.  No one was harmed.

[OzJohnnie]

Quite entertaining this Tommie argument:

* UST earns a well-deserved reputation for being cheap-shot artists and targeting key opposition players

* St Glenn defends the reputation by saying just running out the play

* After a couple years of feedback from his peers that it's a garbage way to coach we hear from inside the Tommie sanctum that St Glenn now is "chewing ass" and in no uncertain terms telling players to not do this.    It must be made clear that it's not his fault if those ratty players disobey his coaching and still cheap-shot.

* The first big game this year and UST do what?  Why they cheap-shot the star opposition QB out of bounds, late and low.

And what reaction do we get?

* The umps suck, it wasn't a bad cheap-shot

* The umps suck, they missed a different play

* Fasching is classless and must grovel because the Tommies continue earning their cheap-shot reputation

A little less indignation and a little more humility would be a refreshing change. But that will never happen.

I guess the reputation that Tommies Suck! Is also well earned.

[nkwest]

Not sure why we're still dwelling on this.

Try to convince me that if it was GC or a UST assistant who shoved an SJU player that the Johnnie Faithful would ever stop dwelling on it.

[OzJohnnie]

Ha!  I love how Tommies respond by pinging karma.  I have learned my lesson now!  *shivers*

[OzJohnnie]

Not sure why we're still dwelling on this.

Try to convince me that if it was GC or a UST assistant who shoved an SJU player that the Johnnie Faithful would ever stop dwelling on it.

Ha!  I love response number four:

* Our actual bad behaviour is justified by what we imagine your bad behaviour would be if the situation were reversed.

Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.

[nkwest]

Ha!  I love how Tommies respond by pinging karma.  I have learned my lesson now!  *shivers*

Speaking of psychological projection. 

[nkwest]

* Our actual bad behaviour is justified by what we imagine your bad behaviour would be if the situation were reversed.

Holding SJU accountable for their coach shoving a UST player is now bad behavior? I guess things really are flip-flopped down under.

[OzJohnnie]

Ha!  I love how Tommies respond by pinging karma.  I have learned my lesson now!  *shivers*

Speaking of psychological projection. 

Yes, let's play this game. Duelling reports on posts that each of have pinged in the last two years.  As well as the pluses. Let's add that, too.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 4 STANDINGS


Week 5 Oct. 1

Conference: 3pts
Concordia @ Gustavus (+6.5)
Hamline @ Carleton (+21.5)-game is being played at Northfield HS
#10 St. John's @ Bethel (+20.5)
Augsburg (+50.5) @ #4 St. Thomas

West Region: 1pt
#2 UW-Whitewater @ #8 UW-Platteville (+10.5)

National: 1pt
#16 Thomas More @ Westminster (Pa.) (+8.5)

[OzJohnnie]

* Our actual bad behaviour is justified by what we imagine your bad behaviour would be if the situation were reversed.

Holding SJU accountable for their coach shoving a UST player is now bad behavior? I guess things really are flip-flopped down under.

If you demonstrated even the slightest inclination to hold your own side accountable for their widely recognised shortcomings then maybe the appeal to standards you're trying to make would garner some sort of attention. But it doesn't. It doesn't because it's easy to recognise that Tommies are making this appeal for advantage, not principle.

[nkwest]

If you demonstrated even the slightest inclination to hold your own side accountable for their widely recognised shortcomings then maybe the appeal to standards you're trying to make would garner some sort of attention. But it doesn't. It doesn't because it's easy to recognise that Tommies are making this appeal for advantage, not principle.

Please tell me when I personally have never demonstrated the slightest inclination to hold my own side accountable for their widely (arguable) recognized shortcomings. Because I can tell you right now that you're failing to do so for your own side. That makes you a hypocrite, by the way.

[bennie]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 4 STANDINGS


Week 5 Oct. 1

Conference: 3pts
Concordia @ Gustavus (+6.5)
Hamline @ Carleton (+21.5)-game is being played at Northfield HS
#10 St. John's @ Bethel (+20.5)
Augsburg (+50.5) @ #4 St. Thomas

West Region: 1pt
#2 UW-Whitewater @ #8 UW-Platteville (+10.5)

National: 1pt
#16 Thomas More @ Westminster (Pa.) (+8.5)

+K for just calmly throwing this up in the midst of the pissing match! There is a high school football joke in there somewhere with the Carleton game!

[OzJohnnie]

If you demonstrated even the slightest inclination to hold your own side accountable for their widely recognised shortcomings then maybe the appeal to standards you're trying to make would garner some sort of attention. But it doesn't. It doesn't because it's easy to recognise that Tommies are making this appeal for advantage, not principle.

Please tell me when I personally have never demonstrated the slightest inclination to hold my own side accountable for their widely (arguable) recognized shortcomings. Because I can tell you right now that you're failing to do so for your own side. That makes you a hypocrite, by the way.

Oooooh, the 'h' word. Bringing out the big guns!

How about I do better and show you not even holding yourself accountable. Fish. Barrel. *yawn*

Not sure why we're still dwelling on this.

Try to convince me that if it was GC or a UST assistant who shoved an SJU player that the Johnnie Faithful would ever stop dwelling on it.

[jamtod]

Not sure why we're still dwelling on this.

Try to convince me that if it was GC or a UST assistant who shoved an SJU player that the Johnnie Faithful would ever stop dwelling on it.

A little less indignation and a little more humility from the Johnnie faithful would be a refreshing change. But that will never happen.