FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sjusection105]

With five more weeks left in the conference schedule, I'm going to go out on a limb a bit here and post what I think will be the standings in the MIAC at the end of the year.

1. St. Thomas
2. Concordia
3. St John's
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. Gustavus
7. Augsburg
8. Carleton
9. St. Olaf

So, you're saying the Red Pants good luck charm will not work at The Jake.......

[art76]

With five more weeks left in the conference schedule, I'm going to go out on a limb a bit here and post what I think will be the standings in the MIAC at the end of the year.

1. St. Thomas
2. Concordia
3. St John's
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. Gustavus
7. Augsburg
8. Carleton
9. St. Olaf

So, you're saying the Red Pants good luck charm will not work at The Jake.......

105 - yeah, I'm coming down on the Cobber side, right or wrong, because after watching both St. John's and Concordia playing St. Thomas, in my opinion the Cobbers played them "tougher" - "closer" - "better". That said, I know that there may be disagreement in my assessment this early in the season. (I also expect there will be some smiting from the Johnnie faithful -  )

I am also very much aware that two teams that play a third team may not play each other in the same way, as the match-ups on the field may not be there. It's more a hunch right now, but I think if the Cobbers and Johnnies played this next week, the Cobbers would win. It would be a great game, but Concordia just looked better to me.

If you look at the schedule, you'll see that they do not play one another until the last game of the season. Between now and then, neither of them have "tough games" - or games they should lose, but injuries may make that last game of the season not live up to the bill that it is right now.

There's still a lot of football to play this season, but right now, to me, the Cobbers look better than the Johnnies.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 6 STANDINGS


Week 7 Oct. 15

Conference: 3pts
Carleton (+55.5) @ #10 St. John's
Hamline (+24.5) @ Concordia
Gustavus (+7.5) @ Bethel
Augsburg @ St. Olaf (+5.5)

West Region: 1pt
Coe (+7.5) @ #21 Dubuque

National: 1pt
#3 Mary Hardin-Baylor @ #16 East Texas Baptist (+27.5)

[HansenRatings]

FWIW, here's how my model projects out the final conference records:

1.	St. Thomas	7.8-0.2
2.	St. John's	6.6-1.4
3.	Concordia	6.1-1.9
4.	Bethel	4.7-3.3
5.	Gustavus	2.9-5.1
6.	Hamline	2.9-5.1
7.	Augsburg	2.1-5.9
8.	Carleton	1.5-6.5
9.	St. Olaf	1.4-6.6

[OzJohnnie]

105 - yeah, I'm coming down on the Cobber side, right or wrong, because after watching both St. John's and Concordia playing St. Thomas, in my opinion the Cobbers played them "tougher" - "closer" - "better". That said, I know that there may be disagreement in my assessment this early in the season. (I also expect there will be some smiting from the Johnnie faithful -  )

Oh, I doubt that.  Personally, I infrequently smite and certainly wouldn't in this case. You can't ping a guy when he's so obviously lacking in any measurable cognitive function.

[art76]

105 - yeah, I'm coming down on the Cobber side, right or wrong, because after watching both St. John's and Concordia playing St. Thomas, in my opinion the Cobbers played them "tougher" - "closer" - "better". That said, I know that there may be disagreement in my assessment this early in the season. (I also expect there will be some smiting from the Johnnie faithful -  )

Oh, I doubt that.  Personally, I infrequently smite and certainly wouldn't in this case. You can't ping a guy when he's so obviously lacking in any measurable cognitive function.

Touche'

[GoldandBlueBU]

With five more weeks left in the conference schedule, I'm going to go out on a limb a bit here and post what I think will be the standings in the MIAC at the end of the year.

1. St. Thomas
2. Concordia
3. St John's
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. Gustavus
7. Augsburg
8. Carleton
9. St. Olaf

So, you're saying the Red Pants good luck charm will not work at The Jake.......

105 - yeah, I'm coming down on the Cobber side, right or wrong, because after watching both St. John's and Concordia playing St. Thomas, in my opinion the Cobbers played them "tougher" - "closer" - "better". That said, I know that there may be disagreement in my assessment this early in the season. (I also expect there will be some smiting from the Johnnie faithful -  )

I am also very much aware that two teams that play a third team may not play each other in the same way, as the match-ups on the field may not be there. It's more a hunch right now, but I think if the Cobbers and Johnnies played this next week, the Cobbers would win. It would be a great game, but Concordia just looked better to me.

If you look at the schedule, you'll see that they do not play one another until the last game of the season. Between now and then, neither of them have "tough games" - or games they should lose, but injuries may make that last game of the season not live up to the bill that it is right now.

There's still a lot of football to play this season, but right now, to me, the Cobbers look better than the Johnnies.

I've seen a very minor sample size of both teams - watched SJU vs. BU, UST vs. SJU, and Cord. vs. UST, so I'm quite uninformed, but I'd lean SJU at  this point. Regardless I think it's going to be a great game.  I think that the Cobbs defense is the tougher of the two, but that SJU's offense is quite a bit better, and 1/2 of the time that I've watched SJU, they've been playing with QB2. 

Concordia is the only team that BU has struggled to do anything offensively against this year, and they certainly showed up against UST.  I'm tired of their offense as well.  When they have the talent, I don't think they need the gimmick. 

Johnnies have so much going on offense with talented guys to get the ball to, and while their defense isn't quite as good as the cobbers, they're no slouches.

As you pointed out, lots of games left to play, but I'm hoping they're both setting up a "win or go home" game, correct?  (the at large bids get so confusing to me, I'm not going to try to predict what would happen, but a 2 loss MIAC team wouldn't get in behind UST and whoever wins SJU - Cord, right?)

[DuffMan]

I think that the Cobbs defense is the tougher of the two, but that SJU's offense is quite a bit better, and 1/2 of the time that I've watched SJU, they've been playing with QB2.

While Alvord (aka QB2) has been killing it, I think it will be important to get Erdmann back into the swing of things.  He's going to need a game or two to shake the rust off.

[hazzben]

As you pointed out, lots of games left to play, but I'm hoping they're both setting up a "win or go home" game, correct?  (the at large bids get so confusing to me, I'm not going to try to predict what would happen, but a 2 loss MIAC team wouldn't get in behind UST and whoever wins SJU - Cord, right?)

It'd be very unlikely, but not impossible. There's been one (maybe two) instances of a conference getting three teams in. But there would have to be dozens of things that fall perfectly, in the West Region and nationally, for a conference to get 3 teams in. But especially if the 3rd team is sitting at 2 losses.

Assuming they both win out, winner of SJU-Cobbers is in good shape for Pool C. Loser is probably staying home.

[retagent]

With five more weeks left in the conference schedule, I'm going to go out on a limb a bit here and post what I think will be the standings in the MIAC at the end of the year.

1. St. Thomas
2. Concordia
3. St John's
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. Gustavus
7. Augsburg
8. Carleton
9. St. Olaf

So, you're saying the Red Pants good luck charm will not work at The Jake.......

105 - yeah, I'm coming down on the Cobber side, right or wrong, because after watching both St. John's and Concordia playing St. Thomas, in my opinion the Cobbers played them "tougher" - "closer" - "better". That said, I know that there may be disagreement in my assessment this early in the season. (I also expect there will be some smiting from the Johnnie faithful -  )

I am also very much aware that two teams that play a third team may not play each other in the same way, as the match-ups on the field may not be there. It's more a hunch right now, but I think if the Cobbers and Johnnies played this next week, the Cobbers would win. It would be a great game, but Concordia just looked better to me.

If you look at the schedule, you'll see that they do not play one another until the last game of the season. Between now and then, neither of them have "tough games" - or games they should lose, but injuries may make that last game of the season not live up to the bill that it is right now.

There's still a lot of football to play this season, but right now, to me, the Cobbers look better than the Johnnies.

I've seen a very minor sample size of both teams - watched SJU vs. BU, UST vs. SJU, and Cord. vs. UST, so I'm quite uninformed, but I'd lean SJU at  this point. Regardless I think it's going to be a great game.  I think that the Cobbs defense is the tougher of the two, but that SJU's offense is quite a bit better, and 1/2 of the time that I've watched SJU, they've been playing with QB2. 

Concordia is the only team that BU has struggled to do anything offensively against this year, and they certainly showed up against UST.  I'm tired of their offense as well.  When they have the talent, I don't think they need the gimmick. 

Johnnies have so much going on offense with talented guys to get the ball to, and while their defense isn't quite as good as the cobbers, they're no slouches.

As you pointed out, lots of games left to play, but I'm hoping they're both setting up a "win or go home" game, correct?  (the at large bids get so confusing to me, I'm not going to try to predict what would happen, but a 2 loss MIAC team wouldn't get in behind UST and whoever wins SJU - Cord, right?)

I'd like to get a reading from those more in the know about something else that has me wondering. It seems as though the Johnnies are trying a bit to camoflage how big a weapon Clark is. Against the Auggies, his first reception went for 54 yards and a TD. Next series he caught another for 46 yards. He then had only 1 more reception the rest of the game, and I don't recall him even being a target. He did get some runs on the sweep, but only 3 receptions in the game. Many of his yards were YAC.

Is it that they didn't feel they needed him as a receiver, or do they not want to give too much info. Although, it's hard to hide his speed and talent, even when not using him as the deep threat he is.

[miac952]

With five more weeks left in the conference schedule, I'm going to go out on a limb a bit here and post what I think will be the standings in the MIAC at the end of the year.

1. St. Thomas
2. Concordia
3. St John's
4. Bethel
5. Hamline
6. Gustavus
7. Augsburg
8. Carleton
9. St. Olaf

So, you're saying the Red Pants good luck charm will not work at The Jake.......

105 - yeah, I'm coming down on the Cobber side, right or wrong, because after watching both St. John's and Concordia playing St. Thomas, in my opinion the Cobbers played them "tougher" - "closer" - "better". That said, I know that there may be disagreement in my assessment this early in the season. (I also expect there will be some smiting from the Johnnie faithful -  )

I am also very much aware that two teams that play a third team may not play each other in the same way, as the match-ups on the field may not be there. It's more a hunch right now, but I think if the Cobbers and Johnnies played this next week, the Cobbers would win. It would be a great game, but Concordia just looked better to me.

If you look at the schedule, you'll see that they do not play one another until the last game of the season. Between now and then, neither of them have "tough games" - or games they should lose, but injuries may make that last game of the season not live up to the bill that it is right now.

There's still a lot of football to play this season, but right now, to me, the Cobbers look better than the Johnnies.

I've seen a very minor sample size of both teams - watched SJU vs. BU, UST vs. SJU, and Cord. vs. UST, so I'm quite uninformed, but I'd lean SJU at  this point. Regardless I think it's going to be a great game.  I think that the Cobbs defense is the tougher of the two, but that SJU's offense is quite a bit better, and 1/2 of the time that I've watched SJU, they've been playing with QB2. 

Concordia is the only team that BU has struggled to do anything offensively against this year, and they certainly showed up against UST.  I'm tired of their offense as well.  When they have the talent, I don't think they need the gimmick. 

Johnnies have so much going on offense with talented guys to get the ball to, and while their defense isn't quite as good as the cobbers, they're no slouches.

As you pointed out, lots of games left to play, but I'm hoping they're both setting up a "win or go home" game, correct?  (the at large bids get so confusing to me, I'm not going to try to predict what would happen, but a 2 loss MIAC team wouldn't get in behind UST and whoever wins SJU - Cord, right?)

I'd like to get a reading from those more in the know about something else that has me wondering. It seems as though the Johnnies are trying a bit to camoflage how big a weapon Clark is. Against the Auggies, his first reception went for 54 yards and a TD. Next series he caught another for 46 yards. He then had only 1 more reception the rest of the game, and I don't recall him even being a target. He did get some runs on the sweep, but only 3 receptions in the game. Many of his yards were YAC.

Is it that they didn't feel they needed him as a receiver, or do they not want to give too much info. Although, it's hard to hide his speed and talent, even when not using him as the deep threat he is.

Thats a question I have asked before as well. Being a Tommie fan, I only see a small sampling of it, but I have been curious why they dont get him more involved with a jet sweep or two a game. More how UST leverages Waldvogel. Maybe he is just a burner and straight line runner.

[miac952]

The SJU vs. Cobbers game to end the season should be a good one. Its not often that an end of the year game can have so much at stake. Wondering if there might be some records broken at the Jake that weekend. Weather could play a factor too.

Concordia was a well coached, physical team. Other than a single quarter in 2015 the Cobbers have played the Tommies as tough as anyone over the last five years.

I tend to lean SJU, based on much of what people have said. Taking out the hook and ladder, the Concordia passing game was 1-7 for 7 yards, 2 sacks, and 1 interception. SJU has some fast outside backers that can flow with the option attack pretty well. And, at the end of the day, you dont need to stop it completely, just contain it, because it is the ONLY thing Concordia can do. If SJU can get a takeaway and two good scoring drive out of their offense I like their chances.

If the Cobbers make the playoffs they could be a tough out. Triple option isnt easy to prep for in one week. Combine that with a very strong defense and you have a recipe for some playoff success.

[badger1845]

As you pointed out, lots of games left to play, but I'm hoping they're both setting up a "win or go home" game, correct?  (the at large bids get so confusing to me, I'm not going to try to predict what would happen, but a 2 loss MIAC team wouldn't get in behind UST and whoever wins SJU - Cord, right?)

It'd be very unlikely, but not impossible. There's been one (maybe two) instances of a conference getting three teams in. But there would have to be dozens of things that fall perfectly, in the West Region and nationally, for a conference to get 3 teams in. But especially if the 3rd team is sitting at 2 losses.

Assuming they both win out, winner of SJU-Cobbers is in good shape for Pool C. Loser is probably staying home.

I don't think the 2 loss would make it especially with the WIAC having the potential of a two loss team sitting in the top 10 and probably not making it.  Speaking of was at the UWO/UWW game.  Wow.  Titans had that one but shot themselves in the foot constantly (two dropped passes in the endzone and fumbled going in at the 4).  Will give credit UWW's D bent but didn't break.  Would love to see those two meet up with UST and whoever else comes out of the MIAC.  That would be a playoff game worth traveling for.  Think SJU needs to get healthy it sounds like if they want to get that second spot though.

[wm4]

As you pointed out, lots of games left to play, but I'm hoping they're both setting up a "win or go home" game, correct?  (the at large bids get so confusing to me, I'm not going to try to predict what would happen, but a 2 loss MIAC team wouldn't get in behind UST and whoever wins SJU - Cord, right?)

It'd be very unlikely, but not impossible. There's been one (maybe two) instances of a conference getting three teams in. But there would have to be dozens of things that fall perfectly, in the West Region and nationally, for a conference to get 3 teams in. But especially if the 3rd team is sitting at 2 losses.

Assuming they both win out, winner of SJU-Cobbers is in good shape for Pool C. Loser is probably staying home.

I don't think the 2 loss would make it especially with the WIAC having the potential of a two loss team sitting in the top 10 and probably not making it.  Speaking of was at the UWO/UWW game.  Wow.  Titans had that one but shot themselves in the foot constantly (two dropped passes in the endzone and fumbled going in at the 4).  Will give credit UWW's D bent but didn't break.  Would love to see those two meet up with UST and whoever else comes out of the MIAC.  That would be a playoff game worth traveling for.  Think SJU needs to get healthy it sounds like if they want to get that second spot though.

If Cobbers beat SJU, Cobbers would finish 8-2 but 8-1 in D3 opponents and they'd have a win over a regionally ranked opponent.  That would almost certainly eliminate SJU, who'd have 2 losses and no wins over a regionally ranked opponent.  I'm not going to predict the outcome of that game, but that's how I think it would impact playoffs.

The WIAC 3 are likely to finish 10-0, 9-1 and 8-2.  The 10-0 and 9-1 are getting in the playoffs and the WIAC 8-2 would be competing with the the second place MIAC team to get in.  I think the WIAC team would be first selected by the committee, and the 2nd place MIAC would be fighting for it's playoff life as a Pool C team, perhaps as the final C chosen.

If SJU beats Cobbers, I think 2 MIAC teams get in and at least 2 WIAC teams get in.  If Cobbers beat SJU, I think 3 WIAC teams get in and only 1 MIAC team gets in. 

[sjusection105]

Thats a question I have asked before as well. Being a Tommie fan, I only see a small sampling of it, but I have been curious why they dont get him more involved with a jet sweep or two a game. More how UST leverages Waldvogel. Maybe he is just a burner and straight line runner.

He has both. Not many DBs in the MIAC can catch him in a all out sprint down the sideline,but he can also make defenders miss with change of pace & putting the move on.