FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[miac952]

If SJU wins on Saturday and does not a get a playoff bit then I will call BS.  I know rankings don't really mean that much but SJU is currently ranked 8 nationally and has won first round playoff games two seasons in a row.

I think if SJU wins Saturday, they should be safely in. Possibly the second Pool C team selected (UW-O) based on conference and team reputation.

There is some very good Pool C talk happening here: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=8565.120

This was reflective of last week, but with Wally Wabash's post it is easy to see how SJU could fall to the 4th, 5th, or 6th team in selection. And once it gets down there who know what the committee does. If they beat Concordia, I would find it hard to believe they would be kept out, but there are plenty of scenarios where that can happen with their SOS.

[badgerwarhawk]

Does college have the same rule as the NFL in regards to lining up over center and rushing the center on a punt?  In the NFL a defensive player is not allowed to make contact with the center until the center had hiked the ball and lifted his head.  If the NCAA rule is the same that would seem to give the center an advantage on a trick play like that being described. 

After reading the description of the play my first reaction is why didn't someone knock him on his ass in the couple of seconds that transpired between the snap and the hand off.  If the rule is the same you wouldn't be allowed to do that.

[miac952]

Wondering if it would be legal if the QB was under C, and the snap exchange happened, but then was exchanged back from QB to C?

Strange play that I would love to see.

[art76]

Would love to see video of this...any chance it will be nominated for a play of the week?

Nothing in BU's highlight reel and Augsburg has no video up from the game.

[USTBench]

Would love to see video of this...

x2!

Any thoughts if this was a legal snap?

SECTION 23. Snapping the Ball
ARTICLE 1. a. Legally snapping the ball (a snap) is handing or passing
it backward from its position on the ground with a quick and continuous
motion of the hand or hands, the ball actually leaving the hand or hands in
this motion (Rule 4-1-4).

If the ball was indeed held for a couple of seconds as reported, I'd argue this is an illegal snap as the motion had stopped and the ball had not left the snapper's hands.

Well, it doesn't say "the ball actually leaving the hand or hands during this motion." If the motion has a beginning and an end, then the ball technically left "in" the motion. It does not require that the motion be in perpetuity or in concert with the release of the ball.

I say legal play. That'll be $200.

[sowilson]

Would love to see video of this...

x2!

Any thoughts if this was a legal snap?

SECTION 23. Snapping the Ball
ARTICLE 1. a. Legally snapping the ball (a snap) is handing or passing
it backward from its position on the ground with a quick and continuous
motion of the hand or hands, the ball actually leaving the hand or hands in
this motion (Rule 4-1-4).

If the ball was indeed held for a couple of seconds as reported, I'd argue this is an illegal snap as the motion had stopped and the ball had not left the snapper's hands.

It could be a  legal snap.  There is no wording that the snap has to actually go to someone, only that the ball is released quickly from the snappers hands.  If the ball was held in the snappers hands then I would say the snap is illegal.  If the ball was held between his legs with his thighs then It would be a legal snap.   It is also not a "planned loose ball" (Rule 7, Article 7) so it could be argued that any member of the offense can then pick up the ball from between the snappers thighs and run with it.

[OldAuggie]

I was unable to go to the game because it was deer opener so I did not see the play but I am going to trust the refs. Legal snap. Sounds like the Fumblerooski that Nebraska ran years ago in the National Championship but since it was not a "planned loose ball" it is legal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIRgXCB_sQE

[Tom Thumb]

You can watch the entire Bethel/Augsburg game here on Stretch Internet:

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/augsburg/portal.htm?eventId=307258&streamType=video

[AO]

Week 10 SOS scores:

30 .561 Carleton
37 .552 Bethel
63 .530 Augsburg
73 .525 Gustavus
100. .511 St. Thomas
103. .509 Hamline
115 .504 St. John's
181. .466 Concordia
223. .426 St. Olaf

How this week's games will affect the respective team's SOS:

Augsburg is done for the season, so there SOS will not change. Gustavus and Carleton will move towards each other, by how much is dependent on the outcome. Same for the rest of the pairings, but here is what is a bit interesting this year. With the Tommies playing the Oles, They'll probably get dragged below Hamline putting the top three teams as determined by record with below the MIAC average SOS scores, with only St. Olaf below them. I wonder if other conferences experience this same sort of thing.

It'll be interesting to see the SOS scores next week after the last game of the season.

Augsburg's SOS will still move since non-conference games count towards SOS (otherwise what would be the point of SOS since everyone who plays a full round robin would be .500).  Likely a small decrease for Augsburg unless Concordia (Wis.) pulls off an upset over Hope. 

Also a good time to point out that Concordia-Moorhead by my calculations is going to get a .05 jump in OWP next week from .4308 to .4814  I like their chances of getting in with a win Saturday.

[art76]

You can watch the entire Bethel/Augsburg game here on Stretch Internet:

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/augsburg/portal.htm?eventId=307258&streamType=video

Thanx - I still can't watch it at work. 

[OldAuggie]

You can watch the entire Bethel/Augsburg game here on Stretch Internet:

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/augsburg/portal.htm?eventId=307258&streamType=video

Thanx - I still can't watch it at work. 

I can!  Thanks Tom Thumb.

[sowilson]

I was unable to go to the game because it was deer opener so I did not see the play but I am going to trust the refs. Legal snap. Sounds like the Fumblerooski that Nebraska ran years ago in the National Championship but since it was not a "planned loose ball" it is legal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIRgXCB_sQE

That would be my take.  If the ball was on the ground in the vicinity of the snapper (AKA fumblerooski) then it would be illegal, but if held between the legs and off the ground then legal (as long as it left the snappers hands).

[faunch]

You can watch the entire Bethel/Augsburg game here on Stretch Internet:

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/augsburg/portal.htm?eventId=307258&streamType=video

1:32:00 mark

[GoldandBlueBU]

You can watch the entire Bethel/Augsburg game here on Stretch Internet:

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/augsburg/portal.htm?eventId=307258&streamType=video

1:32:00 mark

Thanks!

Legal or not, it sure looked cool!  Very well designed to take advantage of the interior line's requirement to not hit the center, and tendency to focus immediately on getting to the next level.  Long snapper did a great job of selling a normal snapping motion.

Will likely be the only time they can run that version of a fake punt within the MIAC for the next several years, until everyone forgets about it.

[AO]

You can watch the entire Bethel/Augsburg game here on Stretch Internet:

https://portal.stretchinternet.com/augsburg/portal.htm?eventId=307258&streamType=video

1:32:00 mark

Thanks!

Legal or not, it sure looked cool!  Very well designed to take advantage of the interior line's requirement to not hit the center, and tendency to focus immediately on getting to the next level.  Long snapper did a great job of selling a normal snapping motion.

Will likely be the only time they can run that version of a fake punt within the MIAC for the next several years, until everyone forgets about it.

From my quick read around it looks like you can hit the center after waiting a second.