FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[D O.C.]

Is Redtooth well liked, or what guys? Throw him a beer and a fish!

[Pat Coleman]

It has been a long time since I have posted on here, but several people have asked for my opinion on the last play of the SJU game given that I now am a Replay Official in FCS with DVSport.  I realize replay is only available at the Stagg Bowl for D3 as it is the only game with the correct camera angles guaranteed for a game with ESPN doing the production.

Replay is in the semis, too. This will be at least the fifth year?

[bleedpurple]

It has been a long time since I have posted on here, but several people have asked for my opinion on the last play of the SJU game given that I now am a Replay Official in FCS with DVSport.  I realize replay is only available at the Stagg Bowl for D3 as it is the only game with the correct camera angles guaranteed for a game with ESPN doing the production.

In the Big Sky Conference (FCS level) that I do replay in, the production quality varies from school to school based on who their primary production partners are.  At Montana we are fortunate to have ABC/Fox along with Root Sports do all our games.  The league and DVSport mandate that the production group provide the following camera angles in this order; Dirty Program Feed (high all 22 typically taken from the top of the home press area), High End Zone (usually taken from the North), Low End Zone (usually ground level or slightly elevated from the South), and hand helds (field level cameras for action inside the 20s, typically stationed on the home sideline).

At the FCS and FBS level all scoring plays are reviewed to confirm the call made on the field...and are therefore only used to overturn a scoring call if video evidence exists that clearly shows an error was made on the call on the field.

Having seen the video of the SJU play and knowing the call, here is what our booth team would have done... First, we would have discussed with the Referee the call on the field of Touchdown.  We would have asked who made the call; in this case Head Linesman...as the Umpire does not make that call.  From there we would have looked at all views provided in the order listed above.  From the spot on the field where the play occurred, the Program feed would likely not be close enough to help much (similar to what is available on D3 and SJU Stretch feed)...High End Zone (if set up on North) would have potentially provided view that confirmed both ball position relative to goal line and runner's knee position and forward progress....Low End Zone (if South and behind the play) would not have been of much value...Hand Helds (would have been on the West goal line/SJU sideline) and would have been obstructed from the play as the play was run toward the Platteville sideline.  With all that in mind the likely helpful views; Program and High End Zone, would have been the primary views used.  As I mentioned the Program view angle and distance from the play would have likely not provided anything definitive.  The High End Zone would have been almost definitely been the only angle that could have provided evidence to overturn the call....barring something glaring there---The ruling on the field of Touchdown Stands.  GAME OVER

I'm throwing my flag to challenge that call. Just the last two words.  Game over?

[Pat Coleman]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

[Pat Coleman]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

Yes, but knowing the rules is a characteristic generally sought in officiating crews.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

Yes, but knowing the rules is a characteristic generally sought in officiating crews.

Also true.

[OzJohnnie]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

Yes, but knowing the rules is a characteristic generally sought in officiating crews.

So, the UWP and SJU coaches can't walk over the referee and say, "Don't worry about it. Game over, man"?

[tommiegun]

I don't think you can simply "concede." I think it is like stroke play tournament golf; you have to finish the 72nd hole even if for all intents-and-purposes is over. 

[tommiegun]

And just to ensure a -k... SJU definitely should have gotten a delay of game penalty for the entire bench being on the field with a play remaining.  So UWP would have had to go 15 yards less to complete its miraculous scoop and score off the botched victory formation snap.

[Boys of Fall]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

"So you're telling me I have a chance."

[57Johnnie]

WOW
How about Catfish Friday on Tuesday?   

[retagent]

The observation about the referees was made early by the SJU announce crew. Saying something like, if this is the best the CCIW has, they are in trouble. They made, IMHO, a number of mistakes in the first half that favored the Pioneers. Just because a late mistake or two seem to loom larger, there could have been a different scenario in the first half as well.

[faunch]

The observation about the referees was made early by the SJU announce crew. Saying something like, if this is the best the CCIW has, they are in trouble. They made, IMHO, a number of mistakes in the first half that favored the Pioneers. Just because a late mistake or two seem to loom larger, there could have been a different scenario in the first half as well.

They also made an error on the final drive that cost SJU about second or two on the game clock.  If I recall the play clock did not reset and they missed it.  As they were resetting it they allowed an additional second or two to come off the game clock w/ about 24 seconds remaining.

[RoyalsFan]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

Yes, but knowing the rules is a characteristic generally sought in officiating crews.

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