FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sfury]

The observation about the referees was made early by the SJU announce crew. Saying something like, if this is the best the CCIW has, they are in trouble. They made, IMHO, a number of mistakes in the first half that favored the Pioneers. Just because a late mistake or two seem to loom larger, there could have been a different scenario in the first half as well.

VOJ didn't think a ref was doing a good job?

[Pat Coleman]

The observation about the referees was made early by the SJU announce crew. Saying something like, if this is the best the CCIW has, they are in trouble. They made, IMHO, a number of mistakes in the first half that favored the Pioneers. Just because a late mistake or two seem to loom larger, there could have been a different scenario in the first half as well.

They also made an error on the final drive that cost SJU about second or two on the game clock.  If I recall the play clock did not reset and they missed it.  As they were resetting it they allowed an additional second or two to come off the game clock w/ about 24 seconds remaining.

On the other hand, though, earlier the clock operator in the press box stopped the clock for three seconds for no apparent reason. Whistles had blown when the ball came out after a play was over but it was not to stop the clock.

[RoyalsFan]

So, the UWP and SJU coaches can't walk over the referee and say, "Don't worry about it. Game over, man"?

A game can be shortened by the mercy rule, but don't believe a coach can just concede and not run the final play.

Mercy rule:  "Any time during the game, the playing time of any remaining period or periods and the intermission between halves may be shortened by mutual agreement of the opposing head coaches and the referee."

Stating the obvious - the mercy rule would not have applied in this game.

BTW - love the Game Over reference - one of my favorite movies.

[faunch]

The observation about the referees was made early by the SJU announce crew. Saying something like, if this is the best the CCIW has, they are in trouble. They made, IMHO, a number of mistakes in the first half that favored the Pioneers. Just because a late mistake or two seem to loom larger, there could have been a different scenario in the first half as well.

They also made an error on the final drive that cost SJU about second or two on the game clock.  If I recall the play clock did not reset and they missed it.  As they were resetting it they allowed an additional second or two to come off the game clock w/ about 24 seconds remaining.

On the other hand, though, earlier the clock operator in the press box stopped the clock for three seconds for no apparent reason. Whistles had blown when the ball came out after a play was over but it was not to stop the clock.

That's job good work by the home clock operator! 

[badgerwarhawk]

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

Yes, but knowing the rules is a characteristic generally sought in officiating crews.

Right -- game should not have ended without the extra point try.

True, but a formality.  Gary Fasching is not dumb enough to actually try the EP, and the odds of UWP scoring against the victory formation must be AT LEAST a billion to one.

Yes, but knowing the rules is a characteristic generally sought in officiating crews.

So, the UWP and SJU coaches can't walk over the referee and say, "Don't worry about it. Game over, man"?

Recently we played Colorado College.  In basketball the clock stops after each successful basket in the last one minute of the game.  In this case CC scored with one second remaining and the WARHAWKS leading by a dozen.  Rather than inbound the ball both coaches and teams started shaking hands, the officials left the gym and the last second was never played. 

[RoyalsFan]

Recently we played Colorado College.  In basketball the clock stops after each successful basket in the last one minute of the game.  In this case CC scored with one second remaining and the WARHAWKS leading by a dozen.  Rather than inbound the ball both coaches and teams started shaking hands, the officials left the gym and the last second was never played.

I'm sure it happens, especially when the last second or two has no bearing on the final outcome (as you pointed out, your team was leading by a dozen). But when the final second(s)/play(s) can make a difference (no matter what the odds are) they should finish the game.   

[DuffMan]

I think everyone can agree that those refs (SJU/UW-P) let quite a bit to be desired.

[hazzben]

I think everyone can agree that those refs (SJU/UW-P) let quite a bit to be desired.

NO ... WE CAN NEVER AGREE. THIS IS THE INTERNET DUFF!!!!! 

[emma17]

IMO St. John's outplayed UWP and as such, the outcome of the game is what it should be.
That said, I do think there is a big difference between the penalties some people feel the refs missed (like offensive holding or pass interference) and the application of rules.
In this game, it appears the referees actually erred in the application of rules.  The extra point has been talked about quite a bit.  I'm still confused by the Sideline Interference call resulting in a 15 yard penalty.  The ball was intercepted at the St. John's 30, and moved back to the 45.  I'm not an expert on the rule, and perhaps there was more to the call than what we've been told.  It's such a blatant error that I have to believe there is a logical explanation. 

[retagent]

I understand your point, but it's sort of like telling a person that there is a difference between being stabbed to death, and shot to death. The result is still the death of that person.

[art76]

Didn't see anything here about this, so I thought I'd share and see what input there was from the group.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/11/st-olaf-coach-relieved-of-duties

[57Johnnie]

I understand your point, but it's sort of like telling a person that there is a difference between being stabbed to death, and shot to death. The result is still the death of that person.

I propose the we start a vote on who gets the:

BEAT A DEAD HORSE AWARD.   

[badger1845]

IMO St. John's outplayed UWP and as such, the outcome of the game is what it should be.
That said, I do think there is a big difference between the penalties some people feel the refs missed (like offensive holding or pass interference) and the application of rules.
In this game, it appears the referees actually erred in the application of rules.  The extra point has been talked about quite a bit.  I'm still confused by the Sideline Interference call resulting in a 15 yard penalty.  The ball was intercepted at the St. John's 30, and moved back to the 45.  I'm not an expert on the rule, and perhaps there was more to the call than what we've been told.  It's such a blatant error that I have to believe there is a logical explanation.

Definitely agree that penalties will always be argued over.  However, in the playoffs the application of the rules should not be something comes into issue.  And that I think is where the biggest problem is.  The PAT should have happened, regardless if SJU was going to take a knee.  As far as the sideline penalty, I'm with you in that I'm curious to see if there were warnings and how many there were and all of that as we don't really know.  Be very curious to see how they explained it to Emendorfer.  But if it was the first and they assessed the 15 it becomes a big deal as the extra 10 if you add that to the field position for UWP's 4 and 1 probably puts them in FG range, which does have an effect on what UWP does.  As I said before though, the game is over and you can argue but nothing changes.  I would just think that the officiating crews would be much better with it being the playoffs. 

[SagatagSam]

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[57Johnnie]

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