FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Boys of Fall]

Didn't see anything here about this, so I thought I'd share and see what input there was from the group.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2016/11/st-olaf-coach-relieved-of-duties

Nationwide search? At St. Olaf? For a football coach? That must be a misprint, if it said Choir Director, I'd believe it.

If they pull up a coach from Florida maybe they can resurrect that pipeline that made them fairly successful a number of years back.

[art76]

As we all look forward to this weekend's games, there appears to be 6 games that are pretty close, and two that don't appear that way. Those two are the Whitewater/Wittenberg and the St. Thomas/Coe games. While the Coe team will be a step up from the Northwestern squad the Tommies faced last week, they should have a pretty easy time of things. For a second time in as many weeks in the playoffs, Coach Caruso will be resting his better horses at the end of the game to have them ready for the following week when they will face either Oshkosh or St. John's.

Again for this week, the Johnnies find themselves in a game where all bets are off. This game is supposedly going to be played in mid-forties temps and under mostly sunny skies, just about perfect weather for a contest of this kind. In this game we have two of final week Top 25 teams ranked at #4 and #9 playing. I think there is a very slight edge in the direction of the Titans, as they are playing at home and have been ranked through most of the year higher than the Johnnies have been. But we all saw this past week that the Johnnies don't quit, so while the pundits may have a point spread on this game in favor of Oshkosh, this game has the makings of going down to the wire.

For those of us trying to catch as much of as many of the games that are all running consecutively, it's going to be a rush of D3 football nirvana.

You all have a Happy Thanksgiving!

[tommiegun]

Not so fast on saying the extra point has to be tried everyone.  I have a friend of mine who's crew used to ref in the MIAC and now ref's D2 in the Northern Sun conference and will be working a D2 playoff game this weekend.  I asked him if SJU had to try the extra point since time expired.  He said no.  The game ended on the TD and St. John's wins by one point, end of story.  I then brought up the Augsburg situation and his answer to that was during the regular season if points contribute to how a conference decides tiebreakers for end of season conference positioning and or automatic qualifiers for playoffs, then the extra point needs to be attempted.  Because this was the playoffs, the game is done.

I hope he gets a chance to review the rulebook before the game. You could send this to him:

RULE 8 SECTION 3 ARTICLE 2.A.

Opportunity to Score

ARTICLE 2. A try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two points while the game clock is stopped after a touchdown. It is a special interval in the game which, for purposes of penalty enforcement only, includes both a down and the "ready'' period that precedes it.

a. The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

Boom. I believe the nerdy kids would say, "pwned."

[miac952]

Not so fast on saying the extra point has to be tried everyone.  I have a friend of mine who's crew used to ref in the MIAC and now ref's D2 in the Northern Sun conference and will be working a D2 playoff game this weekend.  I asked him if SJU had to try the extra point since time expired.  He said no.  The game ended on the TD and St. John's wins by one point, end of story.  I then brought up the Augsburg situation and his answer to that was during the regular season if points contribute to how a conference decides tiebreakers for end of season conference positioning and or automatic qualifiers for playoffs, then the extra point needs to be attempted.  Because this was the playoffs, the game is done.

I hope he gets a chance to review the rulebook before the game. You could send this to him:

RULE 8 SECTION 3 ARTICLE 2.A.

Opportunity to Score

ARTICLE 2. A try is an opportunity for either team to score one or two points while the game clock is stopped after a touchdown. It is a special interval in the game which, for purposes of penalty enforcement only, includes both a down and the "ready'' period that precedes it.

a. The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

This might speak to our officiating problems that the friend not only doesn't know the rules, but is so absolute in his disagreement with it. The interpretation of the sideline interference rule was also completely boondoggled. It appears these guys were out of their league on saturday on a number of issue.

I dont see how it affected the outcome however. if UWP doesnt play tight and goes for it on 4th they likely seal the deal. You control your own destiny with a 4th & 1 with the vaunted offense and 2nd half success. Probability of success is likely >70%, in exchange for the risk of giving up 15-20 yards of field position if you don't get it.  Should not have been a hesitation.

BUT, if this crew was the best the CCIW had to offer and was one of the 16ish best crews for D3 that validates concerns, along with the above comments from the official friend. Judgement calls are one thing, not knowing the rules is a little scary.

[RoyalsFan]

This might speak to our officiating problems that the friend not only doesn't know the rules, but is so absolute in his disagreement with it. The interpretation of the sideline interference rule was also completely boondoggled. It appears these guys were out of their league on saturday on a number of issue.

I dont see how it affected the outcome however. if UWP doesnt play tight and goes for it on 4th they likely seal the deal. You control your own destiny with a 4th & 1 with the vaunted offense and 2nd half success. Probability of success is likely >70%, in exchange for the risk of giving up 15-20 yards of field position if you don't get it.  Should not have been a hesitation.

BUT, if this crew was the best the CCIW had to offer and was one of the 16ish best crews for D3 that validates concerns, along with the above comments from the official friend. Judgement calls are one thing, not knowing the rules is a little scary.

I assume you are referring to the sideline infraction penalty. While I agree they should have gone for it on 4th and 1, the 15 yards had a huge impact on what happened next. Assuming everything else played out the same (UWP gained 9 yards on that possession), then UWP would have had 4th and 1 around the 21 yard line and with the wind at their back I'm pretty sure they would have at least attempted a field goal rather than punt the ball. If they had made the field goal, then SJU would have needed a 2 point conversion at the end of the game to tie the game. So I'm not sure how you can say that the 15 yards would not have affected the outcome.

[emma17]

This might speak to our officiating problems that the friend not only doesn't know the rules, but is so absolute in his disagreement with it. The interpretation of the sideline interference rule was also completely boondoggled. It appears these guys were out of their league on saturday on a number of issue.

I dont see how it affected the outcome however. if UWP doesnt play tight and goes for it on 4th they likely seal the deal. You control your own destiny with a 4th & 1 with the vaunted offense and 2nd half success. Probability of success is likely >70%, in exchange for the risk of giving up 15-20 yards of field position if you don't get it.  Should not have been a hesitation.

BUT, if this crew was the best the CCIW had to offer and was one of the 16ish best crews for D3 that validates concerns, along with the above comments from the official friend. Judgement calls are one thing, not knowing the rules is a little scary.

I assume you are referring to the sideline infraction penalty. While I agree they should have gone for it on 4th and 1, the 15 yards had a huge impact on what happened next. Assuming everything else played out the same (UWP gained 9 yards on that possession), then UWP would have had 4th and 1 around the 21 yard line and with the wind at their back I'm pretty sure they would have at least attempted a field goal rather than punt the ball. If they had made the field goal, then SJU would have needed a 2 point conversion at the end of the game to tie the game. So I'm not sure how you can say that the 15 yards would not have affected the outcome.

Or UWP would have been more willing to go for it on fourth down, leaving the Johnnies w a long field and less time.

Anyway, UWO is a stronger defensive team and I feel stronger in the trenches than UWP. They don't have the passing firepower of UWP (although the Johnnies defended it well).

[DuffMan]

Someone call me when we're done with this. 

Go Johnnies!

[sowilson]

Someone call me when we're done with this. 

Go Johnnies!

Well, we can always go back and talk about illegal snaps and how the refs get that wrong.  Maybe we need to hold a rules conference for MIAC officials at O'Gara's.

[miac952]

Massey projections for our two MIAC playoff reps:

St Thomas 38 Coe 21

UST win probability; 88%


Oshkosh 31 SJU 14

SJU win probability: 12%


The computers LOVE UWO. They are ranked 2nd only MHB, and higher than UWW, who beat them. It looks like its because they have had a very strong performance the back half of the season against common opponents. Their defense is rated #1 in the country.

Coe looks to have a dynamic RB. We'll see if UST can clamp down.

[art76]

Sad day for Maryville College football - http://www.wbir.com/news/crime/18yo-football-player-accused-of-murdering-central-hs-student/355203178

[57Johnnie]

Someone call me when we're done with this. 

Go Johnnies!

Nobody wanted the Beat The Dead Horse so I suggest, since it happened in Minnesota, we call in Virgil Flowers to investigate   

[DuffMan]

Someone call me when we're done with this. 

Go Johnnies!

Well, we can always go back and talk about illegal snaps and how the refs get that wrong.  Maybe we need to hold a rules conference for MIAC officials at O'Gara's.

+K

[wm4]

9 a.m. Wednesday in Circuit Court of Cook County at the Daley Center, Judge Kathleen Kennedy will consider the lawsuit filed Monday by Fenwick seeking "declaratory, injunctive and other relief against the IHSA.''



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-haugh-fenwick-plainfield-north-spt-1123-20161122-column.html

Judge denied Fenwick's request, Plainfield North plays in the 7A state title game against East St Louis.

[Boys of Fall]

9 a.m. Wednesday in Circuit Court of Cook County at the Daley Center, Judge Kathleen Kennedy will consider the lawsuit filed Monday by Fenwick seeking "declaratory, injunctive and other relief against the IHSA.''



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-haugh-fenwick-plainfield-north-spt-1123-20161122-column.html

Judge denied Fenwick's request, Plainfield North plays in the 7A state title game against East St Louis.

Let's hope for an appeal.  There might not be a better way to spend judicial time/tax dollars than deciding who won a football game.

[bennie]

Happy Thanksgiving (a day early)! Safe travels to all!!

Wish me luck, I have to go to the grocery store tonight after work! Poor planning!