FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Started by admin, August 16, 2005, 05:19:08 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

jamtod

Quote from: badger1845 on December 05, 2016, 08:53:38 AM
UST definitely struggled early on D.  I don't know that they faced a team that could push around their front 7 quite like that all year.  They made some good adjustments though and managed to slow it down.  Offensively I couldn't figure out what they were thinking.  First Parks is an amazing back.  I would have him starting as he was much more impressive than Trettel.  He was physical and fast and attacked the hole.  I would have just kept turning and handing the ball to him.  Also, not sure why but I don't know why after pick 3 they wouldn't think about going with Perra at QB.  Clearly Fenske was not having a good day and it felt like a change could have maybe changed things. Having seen both play I didn't think there was much of a difference. 

I believe this question was asked in the post game press conference, about whether going to Perra was considered, but without the microphones, it's almost impossible to hear what Caruso and the players are saying on the YouTube recording. Did anyone catch this response?

miac952

Having been at the game I was asking myself the same question.  Not only were they kicking it to him but they were kicking it to him in the middle of the field.  It was unbelievable.  The UWO special teams seem to struggle most of the day.  I don't know how you let a massive human (Winter) go untouched through the middle with a free run to block a punt. 

My observations from the game otherwise is that UWO needs to stick to their interior run game with Heckler.  For some reason (though it seems he may have been working with an injury) they went away from it in favor of passing and lateral run game, which plays into UST D's strength of speed.  It slowed the clock and allowed UST to get some momentum back.  The D fought hard all day and did a pretty good job of keeping Trettel in check and limiting the passing game, though they were struggling early.  The Titans D was ripping at the ball all day as well and almost got it out a few more times besides the ones that they did get.  I will be curious to see if they have Heckler this next week because he was limping around pretty good at the end. 

UST definitely struggled early on D.  I don't know that they faced a team that could push around their front 7 quite like that all year.  They made some good adjustments though and managed to slow it down.  Offensively I couldn't figure out what they were thinking.  First Parks is an amazing back.  I would have him starting as he was much more impressive than Trettel.  He was physical and fast and attacked the hole.  I would have just kept turning and handing the ball to him.  Also, not sure why but I don't know why after pick 3 they wouldn't think about going with Perra at QB.  Clearly Fenske was not having a good day and it felt like a change could have maybe changed things.  Having seen both play I didn't think there was much of a difference.  Aleada (sp?) had a rough day.  Got burnt on a double move early for a TD and gave up a few other plays to #1 (who had a monster day).  You could tell UST felt confident they could play UWO man as they seemingly sat in it all game to bring more players in for the run.  It hurt them in some big situations though. 

Both teams were very good but definitely a game in which one team played horribly in the first half and the other played horribly in the second.  It was not exactly the game I thought I would see but was still a very good one.  Didn't mind the result being a former WIAC player.  Hopefully UWO can get past JC again and take their crack at whoever comes from the other side.  UST definitely had a good season and both of these teams definitely were contenders to win the Stagg.  Be curious to see how UST looks next year losing some top players from that D.  Winter being the biggest loss (my opinion).
[/quote]

Good thoughts Badger and JTT.

A couple things had me confused by UWO. The punting as you noted. They were kicking low line drives to Waldvogel and playing with fire. The punt block was really strange. A Nose Guard went right up the middle and actually seemed surprised when he got there. Between the punter taking his time and no one blocking Winter it was a weird play.

UST made some adjustments on D that were effective. There clearly was a coached internal clock for UWO's QB that he held strong with in the first half. he was always releasing the ball 2 seconds or so after receiving the snap. It started to break down a bit for him in the 2nd half.

I didnt get UWO using the Wildcat with the H-Back (#4). He was big and lumbering and no threat to pass. They must have used it 10 or so snaps and got very few net yards on it all, if any.

Sad to see Fenske have a letdown Saturday. He had a great season. I thought they would think about Perra for the 2nd half too. He has had plenty of reps this season and has all the tools. Sometimes it just isnt your day. It doesn't diminish the great season he had. It was amazing to see Parks shine against the nations Top D. He ended up with 155 I believe.

Very excited about UST's team next year. This was a younger team on the 2 deep than they have had the last 5 or so years. 3-4 starters on D were sophomores I think. Winter will be a big loss in the middle at DT. Good DT's are hard to find at the D3 level. Addo at OLB and Aladda at CB. They lose Wil Hilbert and Waldvogel on offense. They have Roberts, Parks, and Trettel back at RB and Jaques Perra will be the QB, along with the majority of the OL back.

Boys of Fall

Good thoughts Badger and JTT.

A couple things had me confused by UWO. The punting as you noted. They were kicking low line drives to Waldvogel and playing with fire. The punt block was really strange. A Nose Guard went right up the middle and actually seemed surprised when he got there. Between the punter taking his time and no one blocking Winter it was a weird play.

UST made some adjustments on D that were effective. There clearly was a coached internal clock for UWO's QB that he held strong with in the first half. he was always releasing the ball 2 seconds or so after receiving the snap. It started to break down a bit for him in the 2nd half.

I didnt get UWO using the Wildcat with the H-Back (#4). He was big and lumbering and no threat to pass. They must have used it 10 or so snaps and got very few net yards on it all, if any.

Sad to see Fenske have a letdown Saturday. He had a great season. I thought they would think about Perra for the 2nd half too. He has had plenty of reps this season and has all the tools. Sometimes it just isnt your day. It doesn't diminish the great season he had. It was amazing to see Parks shine against the nations Top D. He ended up with 155 I believe.

Very excited about UST's team next year. This was a younger team on the 2 deep than they have had the last 5 or so years. 3-4 starters on D were sophomores I think. Winter will be a big loss in the middle at DT. Good DT's are hard to find at the D3 level. Addo at OLB and Aladda at CB. They lose Wil Hilbert and Waldvogel on offense. They have Roberts, Parks, and Trettel back at RB and Jaques Perra will be the QB, along with the majority of the OL back.
[/quote]
Will Parks be back for UST next year?  2014 he was a Gopher, 2015 he was a Johnnie (granted, for a cup of coffee - or in college terms, one beer), and 2016 he was a Tommie.  We might need to wait until next August to see where he's at.

cubs

Quote from: miac952 on December 05, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
I didnt get UWO using the Wildcat with the H-Back (#4). He was big and lumbering and no threat to pass. They must have used it 10 or so snaps and got very few net yards on it all, if any.
He was 5/7 passing this season for 30 yards going into Saturday....  Last year he was 3/7 with a pair of TD passes.

While the numbers aren't eye-popping or anything, UWO has had some success with that look.  If I'm not mistaken, that was the same look UWO used to score once or twice against St. John's the previous week.
2008-09 and 2012-13 WIAC Fantasy League Champion

2008-09 WIAC Pick'Em Tri-Champion

OldAuggie

#80329
Quote from: cubs on December 05, 2016, 11:15:16 AM
Quote from: miac952 on December 05, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
I didnt get UWO using the Wildcat with the H-Back (#4). He was big and lumbering and no threat to pass. They must have used it 10 or so snaps and got very few net yards on it all, if any.
He was 5/7 passing this season for 30 yards going into Saturday....  Last year he was 3/7 with a pair of TD passes.

While the numbers aren't eye-popping or anything, UWO has had some success with that look.  If I'm not mistaken, that was the same look UWO used to score once or twice against St. John's the previous week.
The advantage of the Wildcat and UWO ran this well, is that you get an extra blocker so it is rare for the RB that takes the snap to attempt a pass. With the Wildcat there is no QB to hand the ball off just 10 blockers and an RB to carry the ball. In any normal formation with a QB in there you have 9 blockers, a QB to hand off and an RB to carry the ball. 
MIAC champions 1928, 1997

jamtod

Quote from: miac952 on December 05, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
Fair question. I have heard only good things on his experience so far. I imagine they will find different ways to include him in the offense next year now too with Waldvogel gone and him having a year under his belt.

Academically, I don't know that another transfer would even be an option.

15-20 gophers were in attendance on Saturday to watch both Parks and Perra play. That was fun to see. They were there from kickoff to the bitter end too.

The original comment was in jest, but with Roberts back, we will need to be creative with playing time for those 3 guys, plus Wagner and Piesert are solid and performed well when given the chance. It's a nice problem to have, and I am curious if one of them will play out of the slot or something.

Mr.MIAC

So this happened at our neighborhood pizzeria yesterday. No one was shot, though a round was fired at a staff member. I was in the area when MPD converged on the place. Props to the cops for their quick response.

If forced to choose between the two, I'd take out-of-town deer hunters over heavily armed conspiracy theorists every time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/?utm_term=.f797fe2cdbd4

wm4

<<Sad to see Fenske have a letdown Saturday. He had a great season. I thought they would think about Perra for the 2nd half too. He has had plenty of reps this season and has all the tools.>>

Fenske had a rough first half, no matter how you look at it.  I don't think going to Perra was much of a possibility though.  Right out of the gate in the third quarter, Fenske was 2-3 for 45 yards and a TD.  Gotta believe the coaches got him settled down at half and he appeared to be getting in some sort of rhythm.  They also went to the ground more and the game was tied 24-24.  His next interception (very late in the third), while still costly, was more just a great football play by UWO vs. a gift that the others were.   That play was going to be to the fullback Molina, who'd been fantastic catching passes out of the backfield all year and was wide open.  From where I was sitting, UST likely would have scored on that play had it not been picked off. 

The punt block by Winter was very strange, especially since UST's call on that was NOT to rush the punter hard, but to rather set up the return.  Winter was that untouched/unblocked.

wm4

Quote from: Boys of Fall on December 05, 2016, 11:08:08 AM
Good thoughts Badger and JTT.

A couple things had me confused by UWO. The punting as you noted. They were kicking low line drives to Waldvogel and playing with fire. The punt block was really strange. A Nose Guard went right up the middle and actually seemed surprised when he got there. Between the punter taking his time and no one blocking Winter it was a weird play.

UST made some adjustments on D that were effective. There clearly was a coached internal clock for UWO's QB that he held strong with in the first half. he was always releasing the ball 2 seconds or so after receiving the snap. It started to break down a bit for him in the 2nd half.

I didnt get UWO using the Wildcat with the H-Back (#4). He was big and lumbering and no threat to pass. They must have used it 10 or so snaps and got very few net yards on it all, if any.

Sad to see Fenske have a letdown Saturday. He had a great season. I thought they would think about Perra for the 2nd half too. He has had plenty of reps this season and has all the tools. Sometimes it just isnt your day. It doesn't diminish the great season he had. It was amazing to see Parks shine against the nations Top D. He ended up with 155 I believe.

Very excited about UST's team next year. This was a younger team on the 2 deep than they have had the last 5 or so years. 3-4 starters on D were sophomores I think. Winter will be a big loss in the middle at DT. Good DT's are hard to find at the D3 level. Addo at OLB and Aladda at CB. They lose Wil Hilbert and Waldvogel on offense. They have Roberts, Parks, and Trettel back at RB and Jaques Perra will be the QB, along with the majority of the OL back.
Will Parks be back for UST next year?  2014 he was a Gopher, 2015 he was a Johnnie (granted, for a cup of coffee - or in college terms, one beer), and 2016 he was a Tommie.  We might need to wait until next August to see where he's at.
[/quote]

Parks is a "freshman" on the UST roster.  Baring some other set of circumstances, he'll be back next year as a soph.  He redshirted in '14, was not involved in football at all for '15. 

wm4

Quote from: jamtoTommie on December 05, 2016, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: miac952 on December 05, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
Fair question. I have heard only good things on his experience so far. I imagine they will find different ways to include him in the offense next year now too with Waldvogel gone and him having a year under his belt.

Academically, I don't know that another transfer would even be an option.

15-20 gophers were in attendance on Saturday to watch both Parks and Perra play. That was fun to see. They were there from kickoff to the bitter end too.

The original comment was in jest, but with Roberts back, we will need to be creative with playing time for those 3 guys, plus Wagner and Piesert are solid and performed well when given the chance. It's a nice problem to have, and I am curious if one of them will play out of the slot or something.

A little depth chart engineering on the Monday after a season ending loss...sure why not.  What about Parks to slot/WR in certain sets?  Pellini on the other side would make a nice combo at WR of speed an athleticism.  UST loses the left side of its O line, and Hilbert is going to be super tough to replace.  They're strong at TE too, so I could see a power game developing early in the season to get the line gelling. 


jamtod

Quote from: wm4 on December 05, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: jamtoTommie on December 05, 2016, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: miac952 on December 05, 2016, 12:00:58 PM
Fair question. I have heard only good things on his experience so far. I imagine they will find different ways to include him in the offense next year now too with Waldvogel gone and him having a year under his belt.

Academically, I don't know that another transfer would even be an option.

15-20 gophers were in attendance on Saturday to watch both Parks and Perra play. That was fun to see. They were there from kickoff to the bitter end too.

The original comment was in jest, but with Roberts back, we will need to be creative with playing time for those 3 guys, plus Wagner and Piesert are solid and performed well when given the chance. It's a nice problem to have, and I am curious if one of them will play out of the slot or something.

A little depth chart engineering on the Monday after a season ending loss...sure why not.  What about Parks to slot/WR in certain sets?  Pellini on the other side would make a nice combo at WR of speed an athleticism.  UST loses the left side of its O line, and Hilbert is going to be super tough to replace.  They're strong at TE too, so I could see a power game developing early in the season to get the line gelling.
Pallini slots in nicely as the next Waldvogel I think. I'm not sure where that leaves Parks or if we'd work all 3 into the gameplan. I think Trettel/Parks with different styles made a nice combo. Roberts has a bit of each (I think he's got some shift for being considered a "big" bruising back).
We also have Luke Iverson and Tanner Vik back as top WR options.
And basically all of our TEs are back. I'm not sure what our OL backups look like for replacing Hilbert. You could tell when Perra and Green got in, the OL protection struggled a bit.

Tom Thumb

I believe Hilbert's backup on the depth chart is sophomore Hayden Brockwell. He transferred in from FAU and redshirted there. Behind Scharlau at right guard should be Michael Green. He is a 323 pound sophomore. Beck, Lamke, and Dauwalter return on the OL next year.

The other second string guys on the OL were Freshmen Malcolm Lawson, Luke Nystrom, and Joey Koppelman.

Boys of Fall

Quote from: wm4 on December 05, 2016, 02:32:20 PM
Quote from: Boys of Fall on December 05, 2016, 11:08:08 AM
Good thoughts Badger and JTT.

A couple things had me confused by UWO. The punting as you noted. They were kicking low line drives to Waldvogel and playing with fire. The punt block was really strange. A Nose Guard went right up the middle and actually seemed surprised when he got there. Between the punter taking his time and no one blocking Winter it was a weird play.

UST made some adjustments on D that were effective. There clearly was a coached internal clock for UWO's QB that he held strong with in the first half. he was always releasing the ball 2 seconds or so after receiving the snap. It started to break down a bit for him in the 2nd half.

I didnt get UWO using the Wildcat with the H-Back (#4). He was big and lumbering and no threat to pass. They must have used it 10 or so snaps and got very few net yards on it all, if any.

Sad to see Fenske have a letdown Saturday. He had a great season. I thought they would think about Perra for the 2nd half too. He has had plenty of reps this season and has all the tools. Sometimes it just isnt your day. It doesn't diminish the great season he had. It was amazing to see Parks shine against the nations Top D. He ended up with 155 I believe.

Very excited about UST's team next year. This was a younger team on the 2 deep than they have had the last 5 or so years. 3-4 starters on D were sophomores I think. Winter will be a big loss in the middle at DT. Good DT's are hard to find at the D3 level. Addo at OLB and Aladda at CB. They lose Wil Hilbert and Waldvogel on offense. They have Roberts, Parks, and Trettel back at RB and Jaques Perra will be the QB, along with the majority of the OL back.
Will Parks be back for UST next year?  2014 he was a Gopher, 2015 he was a Johnnie (granted, for a cup of coffee - or in college terms, one beer), and 2016 he was a Tommie.  We might need to wait until next August to see where he's at.

Parks is a "freshman" on the UST roster.  Baring some other set of circumstances, he'll be back next year as a soph.  He redshirted in '14, was not involved in football at all for '15.
[/quote]
The question on Parks wasn't on his eligibility, it was more on his stability.  He did spend August of '15 up practicing with the Johnnies until he had housing issues back at the UofM which forced him to have to drop out of SJU.  Three different teams in three consecutive years.  Hopefully he has found a home and can make the most of the education opportunity.

faunch

$99 for home plate seats and $70 for centerfield?  Are they on crack???
The $21 seats will be to low to even see the play on the field.

http://m.mlb.com/twins/tickets/info/tommie-johnnie-football


"I'm a uniter...not a divider."

jamtod

Quote from: faunch on December 05, 2016, 05:52:05 PM
$99 for home plate seats and $70 for centerfield?  Are they on crack???
The $21 seats will be to low to even see the play on the field.

http://m.mlb.com/twins/tickets/info/tommie-johnnie-football
I'm trying to figure out what those even mean, because that almost has to be a mistake unless there is some other perk to those seats.

Having to buy tickets in advance is kind of annoying.