FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[USTBench]

like Rocky 5...the worst Rocky.

Uh oh,here we go! Now it's going to be a Johnnie/Tommie debate about which "Rocky" is the best. Or worst.   

There can be no debate, the best Rocky movies in order are:

1, 4, 2, Creed, Rocky Balboa, 3, 5

[BDB]

ADRIAN !!!

[OzJohnnie]

I lost interest in it after a few episodes.  Now season three of Narcos is a different story.  Have you seen any of that?

That is in the queue for us...enjoying Ozark currently.

I'm curious whether I'll enjoy Narcos without Pablo? 

The wife and I are about four episodes in.   Don't like.  I won't spoil with reasons.

[RoyalsFan]

Watch for yourself and come to your own conclusion(s)...scroll ahead to about 3:11:00
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/sports/2016/8/30/uw-stout-football-on-boxcast.aspx
A U$T player (#91?) tries to steal the snap and the Tommie$ got flagged for an offsides infraction. Stout declines and so the clock was started.  U$T then burned their final timeout and cannot stop the clock after the next play. On the next play #91 blows up the line and ends up about 5 yards in the Stout backfield. The penalty was a personal however there was no additional explanation.   

Objectively, I'm not sure what the foul was.  Only thing I can think of is that #91 appears to have maybe tackled the center vs. just tried to blow through him.  Hard to tell on the video though.

I guess I don't understand the what foul was either. I could see if he hit the qb after he knelt down, but from what I could tell he wasn't down yet. Not sure why that would be a personal foul. I could see if the game was out of hand, but it was still a 1 score game. What, is the defense just supposed to give up if the offense goes into victory formation? Maybe Stout should learn how to block better in that situation. Looks like they were expecting UST not to rush and weren't prepared.

On the previous play when UST got the offside call, the announcers were complaining that it should have been a personal foul for blowing up the center. I didn't realize the center was protected from being blown up in that situation. I know there is a rule on punting and kicking situations that you can't do that, but not a normal play - or am I wrong?

[USTBench]

Watch for yourself and come to your own conclusion(s)...scroll ahead to about 3:11:00
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/sports/2016/8/30/uw-stout-football-on-boxcast.aspx
A U$T player (#91?) tries to steal the snap and the Tommie$ got flagged for an offsides infraction. Stout declines and so the clock was started.  U$T then burned their final timeout and cannot stop the clock after the next play. On the next play #91 blows up the line and ends up about 5 yards in the Stout backfield. The penalty was a personal however there was no additional explanation.   

Objectively, I'm not sure what the foul was.  Only thing I can think of is that #91 appears to have maybe tackled the center vs. just tried to blow through him.  Hard to tell on the video though.

I guess I don't understand the what foul was either. I could see if he hit the qb after he knelt down, but from what I could tell he wasn't down yet. Not sure why that would be a personal foul. I could see if the game was out of hand, but it was still a 1 score game. What, is the defense just supposed to give up if the offense goes into victory formation? Maybe Stout should learn how to block better in that situation. Looks like they were expecting UST not to rush and weren't prepared.

On the previous play when UST got the offside call, the announcers were complaining that it should have been a personal foul for blowing up the center. I didn't realize the center was protected from being blown up in that situation. I know there is a rule on punting and kicking situations that you can't do that, but not a normal play - or am I wrong?

Could be an interesting strategy. Just have your linemen stay bent over or attempt to shake your hand all day. Could ride those 15 yard penalties into FG range in no time!

[faunch]

Watch for yourself and come to your own conclusion(s)...scroll ahead to about 3:11:00
http://athletics.uwstout.edu/sports/2016/8/30/uw-stout-football-on-boxcast.aspx
A U$T player (#91?) tries to steal the snap and the Tommie$ got flagged for an offsides infraction. Stout declines and so the clock was started.  U$T then burned their final timeout and cannot stop the clock after the next play. On the next play #91 blows up the line and ends up about 5 yards in the Stout backfield. The penalty was a personal however there was no additional explanation.   

Objectively, I'm not sure what the foul was.  Only thing I can think of is that #91 appears to have maybe tackled the center vs. just tried to blow through him.  Hard to tell on the video though.

I guess I don't understand the what foul was either. I could see if he hit the qb after he knelt down, but from what I could tell he wasn't down yet. Not sure why that would be a personal foul. I could see if the game was out of hand, but it was still a 1 score game. What, is the defense just supposed to give up if the offense goes into victory formation? Maybe Stout should learn how to block better in that situation. Looks like they were expecting UST not to rush and weren't prepared.

On the previous play when UST got the offside call, the announcers were complaining that it should have been a personal foul for blowing up the center. I didn't realize the center was protected from being blown up in that situation. I know there is a rule on punting and kicking situations that you can't do that, but not a normal play - or am I wrong?

Is it legal to interfere or to try to steal the snap of the ball? Just asking for a friend?
It would be nice to know what actually transpired in those two plays and why the official called a personal foul.  #91 was involved in both and did end up about 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Was he warned about something he did or said on the first play?

Any chance BDB has any connections w/in the Stout coaching staff and could get an interpretation?

[sowilson]

Is it legal to interfere or to try to steal the snap of the ball? Just asking for a friend?

no, it's not legal. For the NCAA rules see http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR17updated.pdf . The snapper must complete the snap.  Here's a an example in the  NCAA rules interpretation

Defensive Team Requirements—ARTICLE 5
Approved Ruling 7-1-5

II. Snapper A1 legally begins the snap, but B2 bats the ball before A1
completes the snap, and B3 recovers the ball. RULING: Team B foul
and the ball remains dead. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding
spot. Team B may not touch the ball until it has been snapped. Team
A retains possession.

[AO]

Is it legal to interfere or to try to steal the snap of the ball? Just asking for a friend?

no, it's not legal. For the NCAA rules see http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR17updated.pdf . The snapper must complete the snap.  Here's a an example in the  NCAA rules interpretation

Defensive Team Requirements—ARTICLE 5
Approved Ruling 7-1-5

II. Snapper A1 legally begins the snap, but B2 bats the ball before A1
completes the snap, and B3 recovers the ball. RULING: Team B foul
and the ball remains dead. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding
spot. Team B may not touch the ball until it has been snapped. Team
A retains possession.

It might be legal in high school.  https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/10/30/13470380/video-high-school-football-artesia-goddard-surreal-17-minute-ending

[USTBench]

Is it legal to interfere or to try to steal the snap of the ball? Just asking for a friend?

no, it's not legal. For the NCAA rules see http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR17updated.pdf . The snapper must complete the snap.  Here's a an example in the  NCAA rules interpretation

Defensive Team Requirements—ARTICLE 5
Approved Ruling 7-1-5

II. Snapper A1 legally begins the snap, but B2 bats the ball before A1
completes the snap, and B3 recovers the ball. RULING: Team B foul
and the ball remains dead. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding
spot. Team B may not touch the ball until it has been snapped. Team
A retains possession.

Is it legal to rush a blocker and tackle the guy with the ball while he is still on his feet, provided contact is not made with the head and there is no targeting or launching?

[Boys of Fall]

Pretty sure those two penalties were called to provide fodder for this board.  With both SJU and UST going down to Northfield what else would there be to debate.

[OzJohnnie]

UST gave up 9 penalties for 96 yards.  Six of Stout's 18 first downs were gifts from UST penalties.

Yeah, the Tommies were playing an exceptionally clean game. Those calls on the last two plays came from friggin' nowhere.  So unexpected.

[sowilson]

It might be legal in high school.  https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/10/30/13470380/video-high-school-football-artesia-goddard-surreal-17-minute-ending

It's not legal in HS either, the ref referenced in the article is wrong. A snap has a beginning and an end, just movement of the ball doesn't mean that the snap is over. I don't have the NFHS rule book here with me or I would cite the section.

[sowilson]

Is it legal to rush a blocker and tackle the guy with the ball while he is still on his feet, provided contact is not made with the head and there is no targeting or launching?

I gave you the link to the NCAA football rule book, why don't you look it up yourself.

[jamtod]

Did Jochum (#91) touch the ball on the first penalty call at the end? I didn't see that he did. Is it a penalty if he didn't actually touch it before the snap was complete?

[OzJohnnie]

I suspect the refs thought that blowing the victory formation was malicious (and unsportsmanlike) rather than a genuine attempt to play.  Almost the entire Tommie team stayed in place on that snap but 91 shot into the backfield smashing players left and right.

EDIT:  I went and watched the play again to double check and 91 is the only player that shot the formation.  44 made a half-hearted attempt but it went nowhere.  Every other Tommie stood to let time expire.  Unsportsmanlike.

About the 3:12:00 mark of the game replay.  I couldn't figure out the direct link but if you scroll down the list on this page and click the replay then it works.

http://athletics.uwstout.edu/sports/2016/8/30/uw-stout-football-on-boxcast.aspx