FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[faunch]

Home team but neutral location...does anybody get credit for attendance record?
http://www.tommiemedia.com/news/target-field-to-host-seventh-tommie-johnnie-game-at-neutral-location/

And a Tommie Opinion that the game shouldn't be played at Target Field:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-why-tommie-johnnie-at-target-field-is-a-mistake/

[miac952]

Anyone have an idea on how much money this game will bring in from ticket sales, concession stands, program sales, etc.?

Estimated at about $850,000.00

I think the contract with UST allows for some % of the gate to go to UST, as well as some of the sponsorships. The rest of the gate and all of concessions go to Twins. I could be wrong, but that's what I have heard.

[AO]

Home team but neutral location:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/news/target-field-to-host-seventh-tommie-johnnie-game-at-neutral-location/

And a Tommie Opinion that the game shouldn't be played at Target Field:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-why-tommie-johnnie-at-target-field-is-a-mistake/

Hard to disagree with his opinion, but you just can't turn down that money or exposure.

Part of me wonders, if, instead of building the beautiful people catwalk bleachers, or, in-addition-to, building those bleachers, if UST wouldn't have been better served building a smaller, permanent, grandstand on the visitors side.

[USTBench]

Home team but neutral location:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/news/target-field-to-host-seventh-tommie-johnnie-game-at-neutral-location/

And a Tommie Opinion that the game shouldn't be played at Target Field:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-why-tommie-johnnie-at-target-field-is-a-mistake/

Hard to disagree with his opinion, but you just can't turn down that money or exposure.

Part of me wonders, if, instead of building the beautiful people catwalk bleachers, or, in-addition-to, building those bleachers, if UST wouldn't have been better served building a smaller, permanent, grandstand on the visitors side.

Kind of the problem with being landlocked. Nowhere to build our billion dollar 50,000 seat stadium/indoor practice facility. Could just cut the track team, baseball team, softball team and soccer teams. That would free up some space. 

Just hire former North Dakota governor and interim University of North Dakota president Ed Schafer to slash the dead weight.

Dumped women's hockey, baseball, golf. Saved a boatload and the football team got an awesome practice facility!

[miac952]

Home team but neutral location:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/news/target-field-to-host-seventh-tommie-johnnie-game-at-neutral-location/

And a Tommie Opinion that the game shouldn't be played at Target Field:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-why-tommie-johnnie-at-target-field-is-a-mistake/

Hard to disagree with his opinion, but you just can't turn down that money or exposure.

Part of me wonders, if, instead of building the beautiful people catwalk bleachers, or, in-addition-to, building those bleachers, if UST wouldn't have been better served building a smaller, permanent, grandstand on the visitors side.

Great work AO.  Seeing that it is a Catholic university and all, I think some of the higher-ups might have an issue with razing that historical church and chapel on the backside of campus. Also, Ireland Hall.

It wouldn't have been off the wall for UST to pursue some deal with the U of M when they were looking a re-locating their track for the new gopher football practice facility. But that ran into its own set of Title 9 controversy, when plans were for it to move to the St Paul campus by the fairground. UST's big need now is to update and expand that darn pressbox. Once they start though it will get very expensive as there are ADA issues that would need to be solved for and a number of other infrastructure challenges. I know its on the list though. Maybe you can throw a suite or two on each side, ala SJU, while you do it too.

I really like the visitor side catwalk. I hate track's around football fields for viewing angles. The elevated seats on that side neutralize that. Love what Gustavus did with their stadium. It's first class!

[miac952]

The left field endzone really hugs the wall.
https://twitter.com/TwinsPics/status/910618603938025472

Wasn't this the Wrigley scenario, and they found out after the fact they couldn't sufficiently fit in the goal post so the teams had to go the same way the entire game when Northwestern played there.

God help those left field flower beds, with the drunken students sitting there. 

[wm4]

The left field endzone really hugs the wall.
https://twitter.com/TwinsPics/status/910618603938025472

Wasn't this the Wrigley scenario, and they found out after the fact they couldn't sufficiently fit in the goal post so the teams had to go the same way the entire game when Northwestern played there.

God help those left field flower beds, with the drunken students sitting there. 

For Wrigley in '10, even in the planning they knew it was going to be super tight, but somebody certainly signed off on it.  In fact, the goal post for the endzone in right field was actually bolted to the outfield wall vs. having a traditional base.  They put up a bunch of custom padding on the right field wall too.  The problem was when they finally got everything assembled and took a look at it, there was just no way you could safely play a football game and use that right field end zone. 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/16/3511858/nebraska-football-wrigley-field-northwestern-game

Looking at the pics from Target Field yesterday, I'd say they have maybe 18" of room to work with.  Still incredible tight.  Heaven help a deep post TD pass caught in the back of the end zone!

[faunch]

The left field endzone really hugs the wall.
https://twitter.com/TwinsPics/status/910618603938025472

Wasn't this the Wrigley scenario, and they found out after the fact they couldn't sufficiently fit in the goal post so the teams had to go the same way the entire game when Northwestern played there.

God help those left field flower beds, with the drunken students sitting there. 

For Wrigley in '10, even in the planning they knew it was going to be super tight, but somebody certainly signed off on it.  In fact, the goal post for the endzone in right field was actually bolted to the outfield wall vs. having a traditional base.  They put up a bunch of custom padding on the right field wall too.  The problem was when they finally got everything assembled and took a look at it, there was just no way you could safely play a football game and use that right field end zone. 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/16/3511858/nebraska-football-wrigley-field-northwestern-game

Looking at the pics from Target Field yesterday, I'd say they have maybe 18" of room to work with.  Still incredible tight.  Heaven help a deep post TD pass caught in the back of the end zone!

Yea...it might not be caught once the receiver slams into the padded wall.

[USTBench]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/4331235-central-minnesota-lake-neighbor-fight-turns-more-ugly-judge-orders-removal-cabin

At least one Johnnie got a victory this week.

[SagatagSam]

Home team but neutral location:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/news/target-field-to-host-seventh-tommie-johnnie-game-at-neutral-location/

And a Tommie Opinion that the game shouldn't be played at Target Field:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-why-tommie-johnnie-at-target-field-is-a-mistake/

Hard to disagree with his opinion, but you just can't turn down that money or exposure.

Part of me wonders, if, instead of building the beautiful people catwalk bleachers, or, in-addition-to, building those bleachers, if UST wouldn't have been better served building a smaller, permanent, grandstand on the visitors side.

In college I was cool with the cramped confines--that was part of the charm of it all. Now, with a pregnant wife (again) and 18 month old daughter, I will probably not be attending Johnnie-Tommie at UST for some time.  The necessity to be inside ol' O-Shag-Hennessy hours in advance just to get a seat is simply not feasible.  Having the game at Target Field makes for some reliable seating and amenities makes things nice with family.

However, I do not want the neutral site thing to become an annual affair.  There is novelty in it this year, but this is a case where the novelty will wear off in a hurry if it is attempted to be duplicated.

[faunch]

Home team but neutral location:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/news/target-field-to-host-seventh-tommie-johnnie-game-at-neutral-location/

And a Tommie Opinion that the game shouldn't be played at Target Field:
http://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-why-tommie-johnnie-at-target-field-is-a-mistake/

Hard to disagree with his opinion, but you just can't turn down that money or exposure.

Part of me wonders, if, instead of building the beautiful people catwalk bleachers, or, in-addition-to, building those bleachers, if UST wouldn't have been better served building a smaller, permanent, grandstand on the visitors side.

In college I was cool with the cramped confines--that was part of the charm of it all. Now, with a pregnant wife (again) and 18 month old daughter, I will probably not be attending Johnnie-Tommie at UST for some time.  The necessity to be inside ol' O-Shag-Hennessy hours in advance just to get a seat is simply not feasible.  Having the game at Target Field makes for some reliable seating and amenities makes things nice with family.

However, I do not want the neutral site thing to become an annual affair.  There is novelty in it this year, but this is a case where the novelty will wear off in a hurry if it is attempted to be duplicated.

I'm giving it one last shot....after attending two years ago w/ my then 11 year old daughter I pretty much swore off attending the contest ever again. Too many over served 20 somethings...two U$T gals sleeping / passed out in the bushes and two U$T lads literally passed out at our feet on the hill. My guess is that the Minneapolis PD will not be very tolerant of intoxicated students passed out on the walkways and in the aisles. Could be a busy day for law enforcement.  What # will be higher....# of U$T personal foul penalty yards or # U$T students "escorted" from Target Field?

[Pat Coleman]

There's some thoughts over at UST that the rivalry is currently too big for O'Shaughnessy. Obviously Target Field isn't a long-term solution to that, but there's some thought that perhaps when the new MLS stadium in St. Paul is ready, that UST might elect to play its home games vs. St. John's there.

It's as much the stadium as it is the neighborhood -- you guys all know that it's hard to handle an influx of 10,000 people in that area, in terms of parking.

[AO]

The left field endzone really hugs the wall.
https://twitter.com/TwinsPics/status/910618603938025472

Wasn't this the Wrigley scenario, and they found out after the fact they couldn't sufficiently fit in the goal post so the teams had to go the same way the entire game when Northwestern played there.

God help those left field flower beds, with the drunken students sitting there. 

For Wrigley in '10, even in the planning they knew it was going to be super tight, but somebody certainly signed off on it.  In fact, the goal post for the endzone in right field was actually bolted to the outfield wall vs. having a traditional base.  They put up a bunch of custom padding on the right field wall too.  The problem was when they finally got everything assembled and took a look at it, there was just no way you could safely play a football game and use that right field end zone. 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/10/16/3511858/nebraska-football-wrigley-field-northwestern-game

Looking at the pics from Target Field yesterday, I'd say they have maybe 18" of room to work with.  Still incredible tight.  Heaven help a deep post TD pass caught in the back of the end zone!

Yea...it might not be caught once the receiver slams into the padded wall.

I beg to differ

[jknezek]

There's some thoughts over at UST that the rivalry is currently too big for O'Shaughnessy. Obviously Target Field isn't a long-term solution to that, but there's some thought that perhaps when the new MLS stadium in St. Paul is ready, that UST might elect to play its home games vs. St. John's there.

It's as much the stadium as it is the neighborhood -- you guys all know that it's hard to handle an influx of 10,000 people in that area, in terms of parking.

That would be interesting. I wonder how the Loons would feel getting their field all torn up for a d3 football game if they are in contention for the MLS playoffs? I'd imagine the Twins brain trust really didn't think they'd be in contention this year when they sought out this game.

I know the FCS title game was held at FC Dallas' stadium the last 5 years and through 2020, but there have been turf problems and the championship occurs well after the MLS season ends, not in crunch time.

I guess money is money though, since the Chargers are playing in the Galaxy's home stadium for two years or so. I'd imagine they have groundskeepers working extra hard just to keep that place playable for the laughably bad Galaxy right now. I also know many of the Yankees players complained bitterly the first year Yankee Stadium was used for NYC FC, though they seem to have a handle on that now even if it is a horrible place to watch a soccer game.

[faunch]

There's some thoughts over at UST that the rivalry is currently too big for O'Shaughnessy. Obviously Target Field isn't a long-term solution to that, but there's some thought that perhaps when the new MLS stadium in St. Paul is ready, that UST might elect to play its home games vs. St. John's there.

It's as much the stadium as it is the neighborhood -- you guys all know that it's hard to handle an influx of 10,000 people in that area, in terms of parking.

Yes but the new MLS stadium only has parking for about 20% of the stadium...worst location ever. Traffic on 94-Snelling-University is going to be a major cluster-feck! At 20,000 it has parking for maybe 4k?