FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[MiacMan]

Football's advantage, is as you noted MiacMan. It is the least time consuming sport of all of the team based sports at a young age.

We have an 8 year old, and they started the process this year in soccer for invites for full evaluations, a $1000 commitment from parents, and a 3 season program that runs November - July. That's ludicrous. Hockey is obviously the same. Basketball and Baseball follow behind a few years, with a slightly lower threshold.

You can sign your kid up for football over 8-10 weeks and move on to the next sport. Maybe throw in a summer camp put on by your local HS. That is great.

-952, Oh, fun age, enjoy it! It appears you have a good grasp on the reality of youth sports. Great times if kept in proper perspective. You are going to see some crazy things coming from good people that you can't believe or even begin to understand. Smile and enjoy the journey/process.

[Robert Zimmerman]

No, but I bet some kids in Sartell (or do you teach at Avalon?) do.

I am the psych teacher at Apollo, my kids go to the cake-eating schools of Sartell.

[sowilson]

To make better football (and basketball) players I would encourage younger kids to be involved in soccer, if just to improve footwork and then transition to other  sports if they want.  It doesn't have to be travel soccer either.  My son and daughter played many sports when they were younger, and I was involved in coaching some of them.  Or local youth athletic association  insisted that all coaches take concussion training - I'm glad I did as I had to treat some young girls who demonstrated concussion symptoms from playing volleyball (get a spike in the face - it will ring your bell).  In looking at my son's concussions and from what I've read I believe we need to spend time building upper back and neck muscles because a lot of concussions result from the whipping effect of the head after the hit, and building a stronger neck can help with the frequency and intensity of concussions that result from this.  We use to train necks with weights a long time ago but that fell out of favor.  Recent work shows that that might have been a mistake.

As for hitting, it's interesting to look at the MSHL athlete health questionair form and look at what sports they consider contact sports, it isn't just football;

Basketball
Cheerleading
Diving
Football
Gymnastics
Ice Hockey
Lacrosse
Alpine Skiing
Soccer
Wrestling

[MiacMan]

Anybody see the movie "Concussion" with Will Smith? I will say this: It is very well done and accomplishes exactly what it was meant to do, which is, a Hollywood, left wing, liberal attack on the NFL, the NCAA and football in general. There are all kinds of measurements, statistics, and accusations all probably relatively accurate (who actually knows) and pointed at the NFL and to a lesser degree NCAA football. Points of interest: 1) Not one mention throughout the entire movie of Steroid use, yet all of the cases mentioned were of former players that were well known and documented steroid freaks (Alzado, Matuzak, Webster, Duerson). Never at any point, was another sport discussed, such as the fact that there are more concussions at the youth and high school levels in soccer than in football. When discussing the "concussion related deaths and behaviors" dilemma, why is it that they never discuss steroids, hgh, or other performance enhancing chemicals? I can't believe Aaron Hernandez was chemically free?

[OzJohnnie]

Football's advantage, is as you noted MiacMan. It is the least time consuming sport of all of the team based sports at a young age.

We have an 8 year old, and they started the process this year in soccer for invites for full evaluations, a $1000 commitment from parents, and a 3 season program that runs November - July. That's ludicrous. Hockey is obviously the same. Basketball and Baseball follow behind a few years, with a slightly lower threshold.

You can sign your kid up for football over 8-10 weeks and move on to the next sport. Maybe throw in a summer camp put on by your local HS. That is great.

Ha!  Try gymnastics on for size.  I'd be retired by now if #2 hadn't been a gymnast.  I can't imagine what they parents pay with kids that are in elite programs trying to make international representative sides.

[sowilson]

Ha!  Try gymnastics on for size.  I'd be retired by now if #2 hadn't been a gymnast.  I can't imagine what they parents pay with kids that are in elite programs trying to make international representative sides.

I have a coworker who's daughter is a ranked international Ice Dancer who just entered the senior ranks.  The support costs are staggering.

[OldAuggie]

Ha!  Try gymnastics on for size.  I'd be retired by now if #2 hadn't been a gymnast.  I can't imagine what they parents pay with kids that are in elite programs trying to make international representative sides.

I have a coworker who's daughter is a ranked international Ice Dancer who just entered the senior ranks.  The support costs are staggering.

Many ways out there to spend money on your kids. I am in the same boat; I paid for our two girl's activity all the way through senior year in HS, which was very expensive. It paid off in my opinion with the oldest now in college and she has a scholarship at the U of M. The other one is finishing up her activity as a senior in HS and as of now, will not continue when she starts college this fall.

I will say this; it was worth it from the standpoint of discipline and work ethic which has been a benefit for the girls, but my retirement account would be in a lot better shape if I had stashed that money in an IRA. I don't think my kids would be the same though, no chance.

I am excited to hear about Duffman's son wrestling his way to the top and especially when he gets excited about wrestling for Augsburg in 10 or 12 years! 

[Mr.MIAC]

Thoughts?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770404-ncaa-approves-2018-kickoff-rule-change-impacts-fair-catches-within-25-yard-line?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

[art76]

Thoughts?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770404-ncaa-approves-2018-kickoff-rule-change-impacts-fair-catches-within-25-yard-line?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

I read the article but didn't look into the rules...

A couple of thoughts:

It seems as if punting is being viewed differently, is it?

If the kick after a safety is punted, does the rule apply?

[Mr.MIAC]

Thoughts?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770404-ncaa-approves-2018-kickoff-rule-change-impacts-fair-catches-within-25-yard-line?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

I read the article but didn't look into the rules...

A couple of thoughts:

It seems as if punting is being viewed differently, is it?

If the kick after a safety is punted, does the rule apply?

I can't find the actual updated language on the NCAA website. There are a few articles that mention the changes on the NCAA site, and they make no mention of punts. 

[OzJohnnie]

Thoughts?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2770404-ncaa-approves-2018-kickoff-rule-change-impacts-fair-catches-within-25-yard-line?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

I say enjoy watching football while you still can.  The NFL is threatening to eliminate the kick-off since the 25 yard line rule has been ineffective.  I predict it will be ineffective at college level as well and they'll be left with no choice, unexpectedly.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/roger-goodell-admits-that-a-key-nfl-play-could-be-eliminated-soon/

[BDB]

I say enjoy watching football while you still can. 

Exact. Won't be long and we'll be posting on D3DebateClub.com. Everything else will be outlawed.

[OldAuggie]

Anybody see the movie "Concussion" with Will Smith? I will say this: It is very well done and accomplishes exactly what it was meant to do, which is, a Hollywood, left wing, liberal attack on the NFL, the NCAA and football in general. There are all kinds of measurements, statistics, and accusations all probably relatively accurate (who actually knows) and pointed at the NFL and to a lesser degree NCAA football. Points of interest: 1) Not one mention throughout the entire movie of Steroid use, yet all of the cases mentioned were of former players that were well known and documented steroid freaks (Alzado, Matuzak, Webster, Duerson). Never at any point, was another sport discussed, such as the fact that there are more concussions at the youth and high school levels in soccer than in football. When discussing the "concussion related deaths and behaviors" dilemma, why is it that they never discuss steroids, hgh, or other performance enhancing chemicals? I can't believe Aaron Hernandez was chemically free?

MiacMan, anger and too many rhetorical questions are early signs of CTE. I can't remember the other symptoms.

[MUC57]

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[57Johnnie]

I say enjoy watching football while you still can. 

Exact. Won't be long and we'll be posting on D3DebateClub.com. Everything else will be outlawed.

US Rules only. House of Commons Rules would be considered too violent