FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

Hey Oz, when do those regional rankings come out? 

Any minute now!

[sjujohnnie]

How many home games would St John's play before having to travel if they remain 2nd behind Whitewater in the regional rankings?

[OzJohnnie]

WEST         
1   Wisconsin-Whitewater   8-0   8-0
2   Saint John's (Minnesota)   9-0   9-0
3   Whitworth   8-0   8-0
4   Bethel (Minnesota)   8-1   8-1
5   Linfield   6-1   6-2
6   St. Thomas (Minnesota)   7-1   8-1
7   Monmouth (Illinois)   8-1   8-1
8   Wisconsin-La Crosse   6-2   6-3
9   Dubuque   7-2   7-2
10   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   7-2   7-2

Doh.  Oh, well.  Obviously the committee doesn't entertain the same pro-Johnnie bias I do.

[jamtod]

How many home games would St John's play before having to travel if they remain 2nd behind Whitewater in the regional rankings?

If they are considered a #2 seed and paired with UW-W you would have the scenario UST had last year with 2 home games and then traveling in the quarters and semis. UW-W would also likely travel in the semis to either Mount or UMHB.

[jamtod]

WEST         
1   Wisconsin-Whitewater   8-0   8-0
2   Saint John's (Minnesota)   9-0   9-0
3   Whitworth   8-0   8-0
4   Bethel (Minnesota)   8-1   8-1
5   Linfield   6-1   6-2
6   St. Thomas (Minnesota)   7-1   8-1
7   Monmouth (Illinois)   8-1   8-1
8   Wisconsin-La Crosse   6-2   6-3
9   Dubuque   7-2   7-2
10   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   7-2   7-2

Doh.  Oh, well.  Obviously the committee doesn't entertain the same pro-Johnnie bias I do.

That SOS gap widened and won't change much this week.

[hazzben]

Yeah, UWW looks to be in good shape for a #1 seed right now.

Is there a scenario where UST beats Bethel but doesn't jump Linfield and never gets to the board? It's hard to fathom since they'd pick up a W vs. RRO, but we've been shocked before ...

[AO]

The reason I'm in favor of once ranked always ranked is that there are so few data points in football.

It's not like there are 7 weeks of Regional Rankings. There are 3 of them. So even a team that dies off the last few weeks was at least good enough to be ranked deep into the season. You could even slap a qualifier like your 'ORAR' status is gone if your Win Percentage drops below .700 (vs. D3 competition). So a team that's sitting at 6-0 in the first ranking, but loses it's final 3 doesn't count.

If you make the Top 10 list in week 8 or 9, you're a result that the committee should be talking about.

With the size of D3, there are more than 40 teams that matter. Implementing ORAR would mean what, 50-60 teams are regarded as relevant data? That's still only 20% to 24% of D3 football teams. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

I agree that I'd like the committee to consider the result of a game against a team just outside of the top-ten, but it's just unfair to consider only those teams that were once ranked and fell rather than those teams that were never ranked and rose. 

The real solution is just to rank more teams, maybe all of them.  Then you can create tiers to say Bethel was 0-2 against Tier 1 teams but 2-0 against Tier 2 teams.

How many home games would St John's play before having to travel if they remain 2nd behind Whitewater in the regional rankings?

If they are considered a #2 seed and paired with UW-W you would have the scenario UST had last year with 2 home games and then traveling in the quarters and semis. UW-W would also likely travel in the semis to either Mount or UMHB.

Keep in mind, the committee is under no obligation to give Brockport a #1 seed and could still give St. John's a #1.  Brockport's SoS will remain lower than St. John's and their RRO will also look less impressive.

[hazzben]

Good points. I almost wrote that maybe the solution is to rank 15 teams/region. It seems like you're getting a better sample of the top teams who are sniffing the playoffs or good enough to affect which teams are in the tournament.


And yeah, I think SJU could get it over Brockport. But I think the pesky (but generally good) 'what did you do in the playoffs last year' really hurts SJU in this scenario. I think for SJU to get real consideration for a #1, they need to undress Thomas Moore. They need a Monkey Stomp^TM type outcome.

[SaintsFAN]

Good points. I almost wrote that maybe the solution is to rank 15 teams/region. It seems like you're getting a better sample of the top teams who are sniffing the playoffs or good enough to affect which teams are in the tournament.


And yeah, I think SJU could get it over Brockport. But I think the pesky (but generally good) 'what did you do in the playoffs last year' really hurts SJU in this scenario. I think for SJU to get real consideration for a #1, they need to undress Thomas Moore. They need a Monkey Stomp^TM type outcome.

Even then, it would be the wrong team. 

Sorry, sir.  Its about the only thing I can say this week...

[Pat Coleman]

How many drinks do I need to buy you on Friday night to compensate you for that? 

[jamtod]

Good points. I almost wrote that maybe the solution is to rank 15 teams/region. It seems like you're getting a better sample of the top teams who are sniffing the playoffs or good enough to affect which teams are in the tournament.


And yeah, I think SJU could get it over Brockport. But I think the pesky (but generally good) 'what did you do in the playoffs last year' really hurts SJU in this scenario. I think for SJU to get real consideration for a #1, they need to undress Thomas Moore. They need a Monkey Stomp^TM type outcome.

Even then, it would be the wrong team. 

Sorry, sir.  Its about the only thing I can say this week...

If you can beat the Johnnies, we can refer to this game as the St Thomas vs St John's game this year and keep Tommie-Johnnie in its proper order.

[SaintsFAN]

How many drinks do I need to buy you on Friday night to compensate you for that? 

You know how I roll, so I have to ask does a "drink" mean a "shot"?? 

[hazzben]

Good points. I almost wrote that maybe the solution is to rank 15 teams/region. It seems like you're getting a better sample of the top teams who are sniffing the playoffs or good enough to affect which teams are in the tournament.


And yeah, I think SJU could get it over Brockport. But I think the pesky (but generally good) 'what did you do in the playoffs last year' really hurts SJU in this scenario. I think for SJU to get real consideration for a #1, they need to undress Thomas Moore. They need a Monkey Stomp^TM type outcome.

Ha! I literally thought as a typed, is it two or one? I'll just stick with TM from here on out. 
Even then, it would be the wrong team. 

Sorry, sir.  Its about the only thing I can say this week...

[SaintsFAN]

Good points. I almost wrote that maybe the solution is to rank 15 teams/region. It seems like you're getting a better sample of the top teams who are sniffing the playoffs or good enough to affect which teams are in the tournament.


And yeah, I think SJU could get it over Brockport. But I think the pesky (but generally good) 'what did you do in the playoffs last year' really hurts SJU in this scenario. I think for SJU to get real consideration for a #1, they need to undress Thomas Moore. They need a Monkey Stomp^TM type outcome.

Even then, it would be the wrong team. 

Sorry, sir.  Its about the only thing I can say this week...

If you can beat the Johnnies, we can refer to this game as the St Thomas vs St John's game this year and keep Tommie-Johnnie in its proper order.

I hope to revisit this subject in a few days.  But, the Saints have never, in their history, beaten a team that wears red and plays home games north of Minneapolis..

I am coming from Boston to watch what I hope is NOT my alma mater's final D3 game... and being played at Saint John's is a huge bonus.  Its a bucket list D3 stadium for this former player. 

[SaintsFAN]

Good points. I almost wrote that maybe the solution is to rank 15 teams/region. It seems like you're getting a better sample of the top teams who are sniffing the playoffs or good enough to affect which teams are in the tournament.


And yeah, I think SJU could get it over Brockport. But I think the pesky (but generally good) 'what did you do in the playoffs last year' really hurts SJU in this scenario. I think for SJU to get real consideration for a #1, they need to undress Thomas Moore. They need a Monkey Stomp^TM type outcome.

Ha! I literally thought as a typed, is it two or one? I'll just stick with TM from here on out. 
Even then, it would be the wrong team. 

Sorry, sir.  Its about the only thing I can say this week...

Literally, the school went from TMC to TMU in September.. TM is very safe.