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RoyalsFan

Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
Erdmann again named the most offensive player in the MIAC this week.

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/12/football-sjus-erdmann-earns-third-miac-weekly-honor-of-2018.aspx

Question for you Oz. Why do you use offence and defence, is it an Aussie thing even though you grew up here? If you spell it offence, why don't you spell offensive as offencive?  Not a big deal, just curious.

OzJohnnie

#89086
Quote from: RoyalsFan on November 12, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
Erdmann again named the most offensive player in the MIAC this week.

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/12/football-sjus-erdmann-earns-third-miac-weekly-honor-of-2018.aspx

Question for you Oz. Why do you use offence and defence, is it an Aussie thing even though you grew up here? If you spell it offence, why don't you spell offensive as offencive?  Not a big deal, just curious.

I’ll claim that since I spend most of my time writing to mostly British spelling, but not all as Australia uses some American spellings, that my own spelling has taken a beating.  I can’t remember which is which anymore and do almost all of my writing in tools with grammar and spelling help to check (or cheque) it is correct. The truth is I have always been a lazy speller so this extra challenge does me no favours.

I used to have an American spell checker installed in my chrome browser so I posted better here but I changed that to British as there are some systems at work which use chrome and I need to make sure I’m literate there.  So unfortunately all my ugly foibles are exposed to the world here.

EDIT:  I’ve been getting a lot of spelling questions lately so it must be pretty noticeable.  Maybe I’ve fallen over a spelling confusion ledge.
  

retagent

No worries Mate! :)

One of my negative qualities is that I am too much of a Grammar Policeman. I haven't been triggered to bring it to your attention, though I did notice. I figured it was just habit for you by now.

hazzben

Kilgore named defensive POTW for the MIAC as well.

Foss

Quote from: D O.C. on November 11, 2018, 11:38:24 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed Redtooth's rantiness.
(and learned a new word!)

That was one interesting post and perspective by a previous AD. I completely respect the fact he was willing to share that.
A packed student section behind an end zone cheering on guys they will actually see in class on Monday is almost as cool as The Streak.

AndOne

Quote from: USTBench on November 12, 2018, 04:28:02 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on November 12, 2018, 04:26:57 PM
The question on everyone's minds is will the Johnnies wear red or white pants on Saturday?

They could wear jeans and cowboy boots and still beat Martin Luther by 50.

NO mas pantalones! 😏

SJUrube

There was a coaching decision in the Bethel vs UST game that could have swung things the way of the Tommies that I haven't seen much about and is something that has gotten a lot of attention in higher levels of football. When UST scored to go down 21-13 with only minutes remaining in the game they went for, and succeeded, in getting the 2 point conversion to make it 21-15.

Had they been able to get the ball back, a TD and XP would have given them the lead/win at 22-21. Had they not gotten the two point they would have had to go for 2 again to tie it at 21.

The thinking in going for 2 early on is your success rate is slightly better than 50% when going for 2. Assuming you'll get a successful conversion at least once, if you're able to get it after the 1st TD you're in great position to win the game with a TD and XP after the 2nd.

RoyalsFan

Quote from: SJUrube on November 12, 2018, 11:57:34 PM
There was a coaching decision in the Bethel vs UST game that could have swung things the way of the Tommies that I haven't seen much about and is something that has gotten a lot of attention in higher levels of football. When UST scored to go down 21-13 with only minutes remaining in the game they went for, and succeeded, in getting the 2 point conversion to make it 21-15.

Had they been able to get the ball back, a TD and XP would have given them the lead/win at 22-21. Had they not gotten the two point they would have had to go for 2 again to tie it at 21.

The thinking in going for 2 early on is your success rate is slightly better than 50% when going for 2. Assuming you'll get a successful conversion at least once, if you're able to get it after the 1st TD you're in great position to win the game with a TD and XP after the 2nd.

It's one of those decisions that if it works, great, if not then it's a bad decision. I think the coach has to decide what their chances of winning in overtime is. If he thinks they have a good chance to win in overtime (a good place kicker and good defense for example), then they should play it safe and go for overtime. If not, then going for 2 early makes sense.

By making that decision early, the coach also probably isn't going to get criticized at the end of the game. Either a PAT will win it or they have to go for 2 just to tie - no decision to really make at that point. But if the coach waits until the end, then he has to make a decision whether to play for the tie or go for the win. If he chooses to go for the win and they don't convert, he will probably be criticized and people will say he should have gone for the tie and overtime. People tend to remember what happens at the end of the game more than what happened earlier. JMHO

OzJohnnie

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Makes sense from a risk/reward point of view.  Two point conversions are higher risk so by going early you get two bites at the cherry to get the secure result.  A quick analysis shows your options.  Assume a 90% chance of making a 1XP and 55% chance of making a 2XP.

If you go 1/1 as a strategy then you'll have a 0% chance of winning, a 93% chance of tying the game (kick 1/1 or 0/2), and a 7% chance of losing (0/0).
If you go 2/1 as a strategy then you'll have approximately a 50% chance of winning (making 2/1), a 30% chance of tying (making 2/0 or 0/2), and a 20% chance of losing (0/0).

You're still 4:1 odds of doing at least as well as if you played conservatively and half the time you'll win the game.  It's a no brainer.  Any coach that doesn't go for two in that situation needs to visit the math department for some strategerizing.

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By they way, if you go 1/2 as a strategy then you'll have a 50% chance to win (1/2), a 44% chance to lose (1/0 or 0/0), and only a 6% chance to tie (0/2).  By taking the 2XP last you've turned almost all your chance of tying into a chance of losing without making your chance of success any higher.  Any coach that does this should have his head examined.
  

SaintsFAN

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HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
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sjusection105

Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2018, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
Erdmann again named the most offensive player in the MIAC this week.

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/12/football-sjus-erdmann-earns-third-miac-weekly-honor-of-2018.aspx

I was VERY offended by him
Looking at the photo in the game story, his knee pads were out of place on this play,he should have had to leave the game until the equipment malfunction was corrected. ;)
As of now they're on DOUBLE SECRET Probation!

DuffMan

Quote from: MiacMan on November 12, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
Was it Karnas' crew? They are awful, always have been. There's always controversy with his crew. Were they stopping it because the knee pads in the pants were not covering the knees?

From what I could tell, most of the stoppages were due either to knee pad issues or knee brace issues.  Seriously, it happened at least 8 times.  I also heard that the officials warned the coaching staffs prior to the game that they were not going to put up with any chatter on the field, and there were several stoppages on that account, too.

Not my favorite crew. 

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MiacMan

Quote from: sjusection105 on November 13, 2018, 08:24:30 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 13, 2018, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 12, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
Erdmann again named the most offensive player in the MIAC this week.

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/12/football-sjus-erdmann-earns-third-miac-weekly-honor-of-2018.aspx

I was VERY offended by him
Looking at the photo in the game story, his knee pads were out of place on this play,he should have had to leave the game until the equipment malfunction was corrected. ;)

Yeah, I'm surprised Karnas didn't call back a TD or two because of those knee pads. Those homer officials always seem to let you guys get away murder!  ;D

jamtod

Quote from: DuffMan on November 13, 2018, 08:30:01 AM
Quote from: MiacMan on November 12, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
Was it Karnas' crew? They are awful, always have been. There's always controversy with his crew. Were they stopping it because the knee pads in the pants were not covering the knees?

From what I could tell, most of the stoppages were due either to knee pad issues or knee brace issues.  Seriously, it happened at least 8 times.  I also heard that the officials warned the coaching staffs prior to the game that they were not going to put up with any chatter on the field, and there were several stoppages on that account, too.

Not my favorite crew.

As I braced for the cold on Saturday, the thought crossed my mind that we wouldn't have to worry about the equipment violation situation, since I suspected all knees would be properly covered. I guess the Johnnies must be tougher than I am.

SaintsFAN

Quote from: DuffMan on November 13, 2018, 08:30:01 AM
Quote from: MiacMan on November 12, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
Was it Karnas' crew? They are awful, always have been. There's always controversy with his crew. Were they stopping it because the knee pads in the pants were not covering the knees?

From what I could tell, most of the stoppages were due either to knee pad issues or knee brace issues.  Seriously, it happened at least 8 times.  I also heard that the officials warned the coaching staffs prior to the game that they were not going to put up with any chatter on the field, and there were several stoppages on that account, too.

Not my favorite crew.

I was on the sideline.  There was lots of talking between the TMU WR's and a SJU DB.
AMC Champs: 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995
HCAC Champs: 2000, 2001
PAC Champs:  2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
Bridge Bowl Champs:  1990-1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-2002-2003-2006-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013 (SERIES OVER)
Undefeated: 1991, 1995, 2001, 2009, 2010, 2015
Instances where MSJ quit the Bridge Bowl:  2