FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[faunch]

Not football related, but wow!!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/division-iii-player-ejected-delivering-vicious-elbow-face-180152960.html

What makes anyone think that this would go unnoticed and that they would get away with it?

The perpetrator is a JUCO transfer.  I don't remember seeing many of those in the MIAC back in my day. Is this a thing now? Has it ever been (in any meaningful way, that is)?

sfury 

I recall an SJU / Carleton basketball game at Warner Palestrra back in the early 90's. It was one of those MIAC slugfests in which literally 60 fouls were called. During the second half my roomie (Larry Bassett) was playing defence (Oz) as a Carleton player launched a 3. The shot was good and the ref called a foul as it appeared that Larry had landed on him. Larry was pissed that a foul had been called on despite the fact he was on top of the Carleton shooter. After watching the video it was obvious when he was so mad. The shooter had grabbed him by the jersey and pulled him to the floor. There were only two refs and the trail official never saw what should have been called an intentional foul on the shooter.

[repete]

FWIW from the South/UMHB board:

https://twitter.com/LogHanRatings/status/1061754356280819712

And Redtooth: One for you!

https://twitter.com/FrankRossi/status/1062079472344674304

[faunch]

Man, Yahoo just posted five seconds of video? They missed the perpetrator jawing at the ref on the previous possession:
https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/11/fitchburg-state-kewan-platt-decks-opponent-ejected-suspended

Last comment I'll make on this...the perpetrator was pissed at the ref because he attempted to initiate contact with the defender on a horse crap three point attempt...which he air balled.If you watch the video of his shot he intentionally kicks his feet out at the defender to draw contact. Kids do this all the time now and refs fall for it. If I ever do officiate basketball again the first time a shooter kicks his feet out and draws contact I'm calling a player control foul.

[kubiack78]

One interesting factoid about St Ben's and St John's is that they, despite apparently lacking the legal requirement and being administered separately, offer practically identical sporting experiences.  St Ben's has 10 varsity sports programs (plus that giant dance team) and St John's offers 11.  Interestingly, the Bennies seem to have more club/special interest sports.  Girls are more interested in fruitful use of their spare time while the boys are happy to sit around drinking beer and playing FIFA 2018?

I wonder what the outcome would be if university education drifted back toward single-sex institutions.  I sent/sending my girls to an all-girls high school because I liked the idea of them focusing on women's development (plus no making out in the hallways - always high on a dad's list of priorities).  It's worked out pretty well so far.

EDIT: Noticed I posted on a similar topic but contradicted, slightly, AO.  I'm right.

Oz,

dealing with boys and dating daughters is actually quite simple.  When they come to your house, make them talk to you.  Not sure about AUS but from my experience young men in the USA have a hard time holding a face to face conversation.  It makes them very uncomfortable to actually have to talk to you instead of text or snapchat a response.  It's quite fun to watch them squirm.  It's even better if you have one that decides he wants to talk to ignore him and leave him sitting in an uncomfortable silence in your living room.

[MiacMan]

Phil Esten will be new AD at UST:
https://www.tommiesports.com/general/2018-19/releases/20181112i7dts6

Did anyone pick this guy when names were being tossed around?  It's good to see a Tommie returning to the fold.

I like the hire, but with his resume my head is spinning. This guy is a legit candidate for a Power 5 AD job. A) What are they paying him? 2) Is something else afoot?

The U, Ohio State, Berkely, the #2 guy at Penn State.

Bench

If we start hearing Med School talk (again) that will be a key that you just might be on to something here. (Alliance Stadium is already built)

UST just announced a new Health Science School including a School of Nursing. D1 coming!

[bluenote]

I haven't seen SJU play this year on video. But I would expect them to be a very powerful team. I remember when they came to the CatDome they had a stellar running back and great lines and defense.... then they came another time and had a stellar line and QB. Then we went to the SJUDome and had a great game there. Those were the good old days. I have a feeling Whitworth is going to pull off an upset. It's in the cards... the Moon is in Sagatarious and the Mars Shift is dimensional. WATCH OUT!

[RoyalsFan]

Just look at Bethel, UST, and SJU. All three starting quarterbacks were at FBS programs or have that level of talent. But they're now playing D3 ball and loving it.

But I'm sure that has more to do with them wanting to play rather than ride the bench, and not anything to do with Title IX.

[OzJohnnie]

One interesting factoid about St Ben's and St John's is that they, despite apparently lacking the legal requirement and being administered separately, offer practically identical sporting experiences.  St Ben's has 10 varsity sports programs (plus that giant dance team) and St John's offers 11.  Interestingly, the Bennies seem to have more club/special interest sports.  Girls are more interested in fruitful use of their spare time while the boys are happy to sit around drinking beer and playing FIFA 2018?

I wonder what the outcome would be if university education drifted back toward single-sex institutions.  I sent/sending my girls to an all-girls high school because I liked the idea of them focusing on women's development (plus no making out in the hallways - always high on a dad's list of priorities).  It's worked out pretty well so far.

EDIT: Noticed I posted on a similar topic but contradicted, slightly, AO.  I'm right.

Oz,

dealing with boys and dating daughters is actually quite simple.  When they come to your house, make them talk to you.  Not sure about AUS but from my experience young men in the USA have a hard time holding a face to face conversation.  It makes them very uncomfortable to actually have to talk to you instead of text or snapchat a response.  It's quite fun to watch them squirm.  It's even better if you have one that decides he wants to talk to ignore him and leave him sitting in an uncomfortable silence in your living room.

Noted. I look forward to giving this a go when #2 finally meets her first boyfriend.

[Ratbacker]

My two cents on roster size.
Most of what I am hearing on here makes sense, attrition is something that must be considered when building a football roster. I feel 100-110 players is adequate, maybe 120 some years depending on the make up of your class sizes. The 150-200 player rosters it would seem would be just too difficult to manage. If you look at attrition associated with roster of this size it is primarily due to kids figuring out within the first 2 seasons that they will not contribute or contribute to the level of their expectations (that does not mean they are not talented players they just never get an honest look). Freshman class sizes of 80 plus where only 20-25 are still on the roster as seniors seems counter productive. UMHB have 91 Freshman and only 17 seniors on a roster of 155 I will not question the success based on won lost records but the coaches cannot possibly effectively evaluate 200 players and inevitably you will lose some really talented players who get caught up and lost in the numbers game. Allowing any kid who wants a jersey to take up space on a roster imo is not the best path to developing an elite team, maybe it is an effective way to bolster enrollment but outside of that it is difficult to see the value. The other obstacle is a willingness to take the academically challenged but athletically gifted student athlete, some Admissions Dept.'s have the stomach for it and some don't. If you compare the football rosters to that of the general student body of some of these elite D3 institutions you will see where I am coming from and J's fans should get a first hand look in 3 weeks. Roster size aside UMHB will have talent unlike anything the Johnnies players have faced at the collegiate level. Not saying they cant compete but they will have their hands full (assuming they can get there) Should be fun.

[MUC57]

My two cents on roster size.
Most of what I am hearing on here makes sense, attrition is something that must be considered when building a football roster. I feel 100-110 players is adequate, maybe 120 some years depending on the make up of your class sizes. The 150-200 player rosters it would seem would be just too difficult to manage. If you look at attrition associated with roster of this size it is primarily due to kids figuring out within the first 2 seasons that they will not contribute or contribute to the level of their expectations (that does not mean they are not talented players they just never get an honest look). EFreshman class sizes of 80 plus where only 20-25 are still on the roster as seniors seems counter productive. UMHB have 91 Freshman and only 17 seniors on a roster of 155 I will not question the success based on won lost records but the coaches cannot possibly effectively evaluate 200 players and inevitably you will lose some really talented players who get caught up and lost in the numbers game. Allowing any kid who wants a jersey to take up space on a roster imo is not the best path to developing an elite team, maybe it is an effective way to bolster enrollment but outside of that it is difficult to see the value. The other obstacle is a willingness to take the academically challenged but athletically gifted student athlete, some Admissions Dept.'s have the stomach for it and some don't. If you compare the football rosters to that of the general student body of some of these elite D3 institutions you will see where I am coming from and J's fans should get a first hand look in 3 weeks. Roster size aside UMHB will have talent unlike anything the Johnnies players have faced at the collegiate level. Not saying they cant compete but they will have their hands full (assuming they can get there) Should be fun.

This topic has been discussed quite a bit on the boards. Good arguments for large rosters and good arguments for small rosters. All I know is Mount Union always has at least 200 on the roster and has had, numerous times, 250 on the first day of practice. Mount seems to have developed an elite team, allowing, as you said, " any kid who wants a jersey to take up space on the roster".
I hope I don't ignite another discussion on this issue. We've pretty well beaten this one to death. 😃😃

[hazzben]

FWIW from the South/UMHB board:

https://twitter.com/LogHanRatings/status/1061754356280819712

So you're telling me there's a chance!!

[hazzben]

Just look at Bethel, UST, and SJU. All three starting quarterbacks were at FBS programs or have that level of talent. But they're now playing D3 ball and loving it.

But I'm sure that has more to do with them wanting to play rather than ride the bench, and not anything to do with Title IX.

For sure! I was giving those as examples of shifting priorities for players. Guys used to be happy to walk on and just be a part of a D1 program. Now they seem to want a chance at playing. Can't blame them one bit.

The BU Clarion had an article on Roste earlier this year. Essentially he transfered so he could play, after he arrived he realized it was a great culture fit for him too. I'm guessing a lot of these transfers experience that.

[OldAuggie]

Just look at Bethel, UST, and SJU. All three starting quarterbacks were at FBS programs or have that level of talent. But they're now playing D3 ball and loving it.

But I'm sure that has more to do with them wanting to play rather than ride the bench, and not anything to do with Title IX.

For sure! I was giving those as examples of shifting priorities for players. Guys used to be happy to walk on and just be a part of a D1 program. Now they seem to want a chance at playing. Can't blame them one bit.

The BU Clarion had an article on Roste earlier this year. Essentially he transfered so he could play, after he arrived he realized it was a great culture fit for him too. I'm guessing a lot of these transfers experience that.

Ok guys I need to add to this before it gets too carried away. I think Hazzbeen knows this and others do too. Based on observing Gopher practices and watching the Roste's and Perra's of the world, the drop off from Big Ten starter or even #3 Scholarship QB to these walk on guys is huge. I mean it's hard to describe the difference but they don't have what the scholly Qb's have in terms of arm strength and reading a defense and basically all that you need to win in D1, especially the Big Ten. All you need to do is observe the QB's side by side in drills and you would see it. Many of you know this. The walk on QB's run the scout team and basically that is about it, they really have no shot at starting, nor do they deserve too and it is considered a disaster situation when one would need to play. Annexstad this year is not a true walk on type kid, he gave up his scholly so they could bring in another player from IMG. He had offers from other D1 schools and I think PJ is selling the concept of a major walk on program by highlighting Annexstad.

[MIAC23]

Just look at Bethel, UST, and SJU. All three starting quarterbacks were at FBS programs or have that level of talent. But they're now playing D3 ball and loving it.

But I'm sure that has more to do with them wanting to play rather than ride the bench, and not anything to do with Title IX.

For sure! I was giving those as examples of shifting priorities for players. Guys used to be happy to walk on and just be a part of a D1 program. Now they seem to want a chance at playing. Can't blame them one bit.

The BU Clarion had an article on Roste earlier this year. Essentially he transfered so he could play, after he arrived he realized it was a great culture fit for him too. I'm guessing a lot of these transfers experience that.

Ok guys I need to add to this before it gets too carried away. I think Hazzbeen knows this and others do too. Based on observing Gopher practices and watching the Roste's and Perra's of the world, the drop off from Big Ten starter or even #3 Scholarship QB to these walk on guys is huge. I mean it's hard to describe the difference but they don't have what the scholly Qb's have in terms of arm strength and reading a defense and basically all that you need to win in D1, especially the Big Ten. All you need to do is observe the QB's side by side in drills and you would see it. Many of you know this. The walk on QB's run the scout team and basically that is about it, they really have no shot at starting, nor do they deserve too and it is considered a disaster situation when one would need to play. Annexstad this year is not a true walk on type kid, he gave up his scholly so they could bring in another player from IMG. He had offers from other D1 schools and I think PJ is selling the concept of a major walk on program by highlighting Annexstad.

Right on Old Auggie! Great post.

[hazzben]

No question OldAuggie. I'm fully aware Roste wasn't next man up on the depth chart before he left. I also think it's a little humorous to hear people talk about Perra as if he was in a battle for the starting role at the U.

But just to be invited to walk-on (or be a preferred walk on) at a D1 school requires legit skill. There's a reason these guys weren't scholarship players to begin with. There's also a reason they got the chance to be a part of FBS programs and other kids don't. Roste, Perra, and Eerdman were all exceptional HS QB's. Not quite good enough to warrant FBS scholarships (not sure what kind of FCS or DII offers they had), but very talented all the same.

As we've seen over the past few years, when those kinds of players, whether they are QB's or a LB like Seth Mathis make their way to the D3 level, they can be really dominant.

On a similar note, PJ was waxing eloquent about this walkon program he's trying to build (I think it's gonna be a major uphill battle given the U's other challenges.) But he was talking about Walk-ons and preferred walk-ons and gray shirts, all of which I'm familiar with. But then he was talking about 'Maroon Shirts' and I was lost. What on earth is a 'Maroon Shirt'? Is that a common type thing I'm just not familiar with or is PJ rowing the boat in some super new, sneaky creative way??