FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Mount Union probably isn't your best example -- nobody there plays 60-minute games until December.

[bleedpurple]

The rest of the field is largely an afterthought as far as the big show goes but it does offer a unique experience to d3 which you cannot get from other associations.  And there's value in that too.

IMHO getting spun around and waxed 84-6, 48-6, 52-0, 49-0, 60-0 has no value.
If I was on those losing teams I would be out of sorts until Christmas.

More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a play-in type arrangement is considered in the next few years.  With so many AQ's and such a disparity in approach between the big five or six conferences and the rest of the field, either we need to accept continued beatings or we need to winnow the field before the big boys get involved.

(Also, this Johnnie side is playing particularly hot.   They are executing extremely well, not physically dominating like a few of the massive sides have in the last few years. ML players weren't getting carried out on stretchers, they were just getting beat. Repeatedly.)

Perhaps the difference between a #1 and #2 seed?

When grasping at straws, there are no limits. I'm sure that was it. I'm sure they also take into consideration IQ, Distance from locker room to field, and other irrelevant factors. Keep thinking that there was a lot of investigation into separating UWW from SJU in the rankings. I'm sure you also have an explanation as to why SJU was rated higher in the d3.com Poll, as well as the West Region Fan Poll. Since they don't matter on the field either. Maybe it's the quality of pre-game meals.

I just asked the question. You seem a little irritable for a guy whose team is playing really well right now! 

[02 Warhawk]

The rest of the field is largely an afterthought as far as the big show goes but it does offer a unique experience to d3 which you cannot get from other associations.  And there's value in that too.

IMHO getting spun around and waxed 84-6, 48-6, 52-0, 49-0, 60-0 has no value.
If I was on those losing teams I would be out of sorts until Christmas.

More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a play-in type arrangement is considered in the next few years.  With so many AQ's and such a disparity in approach between the big five or six conferences and the rest of the field, either we need to accept continued beatings or we need to winnow the field before the big boys get involved.

(Also, this Johnnie side is playing particularly hot.   They are executing extremely well, not physically dominating like a few of the massive sides have in the last few years. ML players weren't getting carried out on stretchers, they were just getting beat. Repeatedly.)

Perhaps the difference between a #1 and #2 seed?

When grasping at straws, there are no limits. I'm sure that was it. I'm sure they also take into consideration IQ, Distance from locker room to field, and other irrelevant factors. Keep thinking that there was a lot of investigation into separating UWW from SJU in the rankings. I'm sure you also have an explanation as to why SJU was rated higher in the d3.com Poll, as well as the West Region Fan Poll. Since they don't matter on the field either. Maybe it's the quality of pre-game meals.

I just asked the question. You seem a little irritable for a guy whose team is playing really well right now! 

If you're a warm body, you're qualified to be a West Region Fan Poll participant. I wouldn't use that as an example of what SJU should be ranked.

[OzJohnnie]

The rest of the field is largely an afterthought as far as the big show goes but it does offer a unique experience to d3 which you cannot get from other associations.  And there's value in that too.

IMHO getting spun around and waxed 84-6, 48-6, 52-0, 49-0, 60-0 has no value.
If I was on those losing teams I would be out of sorts until Christmas.

More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a play-in type arrangement is considered in the next few years.  With so many AQ's and such a disparity in approach between the big five or six conferences and the rest of the field, either we need to accept continued beatings or we need to winnow the field before the big boys get involved.

(Also, this Johnnie side is playing particularly hot.   They are executing extremely well, not physically dominating like a few of the massive sides have in the last few years. ML players weren't getting carried out on stretchers, they were just getting beat. Repeatedly.)

Perhaps the difference between a #1 and #2 seed?

When grasping at straws, there are no limits. I'm sure that was it. I'm sure they also take into consideration IQ, Distance from locker room to field, and other irrelevant factors. Keep thinking that there was a lot of investigation into separating UWW from SJU in the rankings. I'm sure you also have an explanation as to why SJU was rated higher in the d3.com Poll, as well as the West Region Fan Poll. Since they don't matter on the field either. Maybe it's the quality of pre-game meals.

I just asked the question. You seem a little irritable for a guy whose team is playing really well right now! 

If you're a warm body, you're qualified to be a West Region Fan Poll participant. I wouldn't use that as an example of what SJU should be ranked.

I have it on good authority that you're one of the people ranking the Johnnies ahead of UWW...

[bleedpurple]

The rest of the field is largely an afterthought as far as the big show goes but it does offer a unique experience to d3 which you cannot get from other associations.  And there's value in that too.

IMHO getting spun around and waxed 84-6, 48-6, 52-0, 49-0, 60-0 has no value.
If I was on those losing teams I would be out of sorts until Christmas.

More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a play-in type arrangement is considered in the next few years.  With so many AQ's and such a disparity in approach between the big five or six conferences and the rest of the field, either we need to accept continued beatings or we need to winnow the field before the big boys get involved.

(Also, this Johnnie side is playing particularly hot.   They are executing extremely well, not physically dominating like a few of the massive sides have in the last few years. ML players weren't getting carried out on stretchers, they were just getting beat. Repeatedly.)

Perhaps the difference between a #1 and #2 seed?

When grasping at straws, there are no limits. I'm sure that was it. I'm sure they also take into consideration IQ, Distance from locker room to field, and other irrelevant factors. Keep thinking that there was a lot of investigation into separating UWW from SJU in the rankings. I'm sure you also have an explanation as to why SJU was rated higher in the d3.com Poll, as well as the West Region Fan Poll. Since they don't matter on the field either. Maybe it's the quality of pre-game meals.

I just asked the question. You seem a little irritable for a guy whose team is playing really well right now! 

If you're a warm body, you're qualified to be a West Region Fan Poll participant. I wouldn't use that as an example of what SJU should be ranked.

I have it on good authority that you're one of the people ranking the Johnnies ahead of UWW...

Your proving his case! 

[02 Warhawk]

The rest of the field is largely an afterthought as far as the big show goes but it does offer a unique experience to d3 which you cannot get from other associations.  And there's value in that too.

IMHO getting spun around and waxed 84-6, 48-6, 52-0, 49-0, 60-0 has no value.
If I was on those losing teams I would be out of sorts until Christmas.

More seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a play-in type arrangement is considered in the next few years.  With so many AQ's and such a disparity in approach between the big five or six conferences and the rest of the field, either we need to accept continued beatings or we need to winnow the field before the big boys get involved.

(Also, this Johnnie side is playing particularly hot.   They are executing extremely well, not physically dominating like a few of the massive sides have in the last few years. ML players weren't getting carried out on stretchers, they were just getting beat. Repeatedly.)

Perhaps the difference between a #1 and #2 seed?

When grasping at straws, there are no limits. I'm sure that was it. I'm sure they also take into consideration IQ, Distance from locker room to field, and other irrelevant factors. Keep thinking that there was a lot of investigation into separating UWW from SJU in the rankings. I'm sure you also have an explanation as to why SJU was rated higher in the d3.com Poll, as well as the West Region Fan Poll. Since they don't matter on the field either. Maybe it's the quality of pre-game meals.

I just asked the question. You seem a little irritable for a guy whose team is playing really well right now! 

If you're a warm body, you're qualified to be a West Region Fan Poll participant. I wouldn't use that as an example of what SJU should be ranked.

I have it on good authority that you're one of the people ranking the Johnnies ahead of UWW...

Indeed I am

(What bleed said)

[OzJohnnie]

So we both win?  That's a result I like.

In other football news, this just hit my Australian news feed:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/10509796

ESPN, citing an anonymous league source, reported the team — that has only won three out of their last 37 games under previous coach Hue Jackson — would like to interview Ms Rice, an ardent Browns fan since childhood, for its coaching job.

Har!  Well, they couldn't get any worse so why not?  It does say something about the sorry state of the Browns that people would actually believe they are considering someone who has never played a game ever at any level, never coached at any level.

As an experiment in disasters it would be interesting. Is it possible for a coaching decision to bankrupt a franchise?  Perhaps it is. It would be interesting to find out.

[sjujohnnie]

Who was Whitewater BEFORE Leipold? What is Bullis' connection to the school prior to Leipold? Time will tell if Whitewater can sustain a winning tradition beyond a decade or two. Out of 13,000 students, only a moron couldn't put a team together!

[sjujohnnie]

As far as I'm concerned, it's only a matter of time before Whitewater is back to who they were historically prior to Leipold showing them the ropes comparable to the boat Iowa St will be in when Campbell sets sail!

[bluenote]

My prediction is :

SJU 35

Whitworth 39

... in overtime!

[OzJohnnie]

My prediction is :

SJU 35

Whitworth 39

... in overtime!

[art76]

Morning all, just leaving a "bracket toughness" update after the first round.

UMHB bracket is still the "toughest" bracket left, as we have week 11 ranked teams of 2, 3, 10 and 20 for a total of 35.
Brockport bracket is left with 4, 6, 14 and 26 for a total of 50.
UWW comes in third with 5, 9, 11 and 35 for a total of 60.
Mount Union bracket is easiest this round with 1, 23, 24 and 35 for a total of 83.

The North Central/Bethel game is the closest by the numbers at just 2 points separating them.
St. John's/Whitworth is the next closest at 7 points.
Frostburg and John Hopkins come in third at 8 points of separation.
The remaining games are all double digit units of separation, though the Randolph-Macon/Muhlenberg game could also have some intrigue.

[repete]

As far as I'm concerned, it's only a matter of time before Whitewater is back to who they were historically prior to Leipold showing them the ropes comparable to the boat Iowa St will be in when Campbell sets sail!

Maybe I'm missing the blue sarcasm font here ... but UWW was building a pretty solid program under Bob Berezowitz.

The perception before Berezowitz of WIAC teams was that they were often huge, but slow. Berezowitz  upped the talent level and made them national contenders. The enrollment numbers, for the most part, has been discussed and is not the issue many want to make of it.

Hate to stick up for anything purple, but no matter what folks might think of their tradition, it's something probably 99 percent of d3 teams would gladly take.

[DuffMan]

Maybe I'm missing the blue sarcasm font here ... but UWW was building a pretty solid program under Bob Berezowitz.

The perception before Berezowitz of WIAC teams was that they were often huge, but slow. Berezowitz  upped the talent level and made them national contenders. The enrollment numbers, for the most part, has been discussed and is not the issue many want to make of it.

Hate to stick up for anything purple, but no matter what folks might think of their tradition, it's something probably 99 percent of d3 teams would gladly take.

What he said.

Whitewater has proven they're no flash in the pan.  Berezowitz --> Leipold --> Bullis...I don't see them fading anytime soon.  If anything, they've upped the level of play in the WIAC, just like U$T has upped the level of play in the MIAC (at the top, at least).

[retagent]

As repete said, enrollment numbers are not directly a factor in quality of athletes. My contention has always been that state schools are somewhat expected to accept  students that private schools might not if they are interested in maintaining a high academic reputation. They also usually have some "less rigorous" major fields of study for those who are not Top 25% of their high school class, not that that's a bad thing. Not a criticism, just an observation.