FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

Game notes!

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/20/sju-footballs-ncaa-playoff-game-notes-vs-whitworth.aspx

Well, after studying the game notes over a lunchtime sandwich it appears that on offence the Pirates are the same as the Johnnies, just less so. The same balance between run and pass. The receivers have the same profile of yardage as the Johnnies but less of it.  They have a back that is far more dominant in terms of yards and carries than the Johnnies, who share the running duties to a far greater degree.  And a QB that throws the ball far many more times than Erdmann but does far less with it.  I think the Pirate QB's 50% higher attempts is due to him playing longer than the half.

Denfense looks similar statistically, a little different here or there but it's in scores against and takeaway differential where the Johnnies stand out.  The Johnnie D forces 50% more turnovers and allowed half the scores of the whitworth D.

So I'm thinking we're looking at a GAC-like contest.  Hanging for a while, looking ok, but getting beaten soundly.  The Johnnies and the Pirates play a similar game, the Jays just do it many, many times better.  Perhaps we're seeing the Pirates this year not because they've dominated the NWC but because Linfoeld started particularly slowly and never really hit a stride.

[MiacMan]

Game notes!

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/20/sju-footballs-ncaa-playoff-game-notes-vs-whitworth.aspx

Well, after studying the game notes over a lunchtime sandwich it appears that on offence the Pirates are the same as the Johnnies, just less so. The same balance between run and pass. The receivers have the same profile of yardage as the Johnnies but less of it.  They have a back that is far more dominant in terms of yards and carries than the Johnnies, who share the running duties to a far greater degree.  And a QB that throws the ball far many more times than Erdmann but does far less with it.  I think the Pirate QB's 50% higher attempts is due to him playing longer than the half.

Denfense looks similar statistically, a little different here or there but it's in scores against and takeaway differential where the Johnnies stand out.  The Johnnie D forces 50% more turnovers and allowed half the scores of the whitworth D.

So I'm thinking we're looking at a GAC-like contest.  Hanging for a while, looking ok, but getting beaten soundly.  The Johnnies and the Pirates play a similar game, the Jays just do it many, many times better.  Perhaps we're seeing the Johnnies  this year not because they've dominated the MIAC but because UST played poorly against them and never really hit their stride.

This is what Whitworth is probably saying. See how silly it sounds. Whitworth is probably pretty good. The Johnnies better show up to play. They'll win, but not anywhere near like their last 3-4 games.

[D O.C.]

Prepare for the Crusaders not the Pirates.

[OzJohnnie]

Prepare for the Crusaders not the Pirates.

Oops.

[OzJohnnie]

So I'm thinking we're looking at a GAC-like contest.  Hanging for a while, looking ok, but getting beaten soundly.  The Johnnies and the Pirates play a similar game, the Jays just do it many, many times better.  Perhaps we're seeing the Johnnies  this year not because they've dominated the MIAC but because UST played poorly against them and never really hit their stride.

This is what Whitworth is probably saying. See how silly it sounds. Whitworth is probably pretty good. The Johnnies better show up to play. They'll win, but not anywhere near like their last 3-4 games.

It sounds silly because it's so outrageously wrong. 

Massey predicts 45-12, Johnnies.  Hansen says 42-19.  The Johnnies have beaten the Massey spread in the last five weeks by 30% over ML, 25% over TM, -10% against HAM, dead on against CON, and 19% over STO.  So say this is another 20% over perform then we're looking at something like 54-12.  I can live with that.

Now, there is a chance of overconfidence.  Certainly that lives here on the boards where it belongs.  But the Jays have been playing recently like they mean to scare everyone.  I think the sting of the NCC first round loss last year has stayed with the team.  I doubt there's much chance that the players are looking past this weekend.

(My most tragic looking past the competition game was the '93 semi-final against the upstarts from Mount Union where the point-a-minute Johnnie offense gave up seven turnovers and lost 8-56.  Heart breaking.

My second most tragic overlooking was the '09 lost against Coe at Clemens where, again, turnovers ruined us.

I don't think we're facing that situation again this year.)

[bluenote]

The Johnnies won't get past Whitworthless as you call them... they don't have a plan ... WOW YOU R GOING TO GET STUFFED! 

[Retired Old Rat]

Prepare for the Crusaders not the Pirates.

I am. Looking at flights and hotels.  Hoping SJU does a charter but working on a backup plan.

[DuffMan]

Thanksgiving reminds me of a John Gagliardi story.  In 2000, we played at PLU on Thanksgiving weekend.  We flew out on Thanksgiving day, and we were fed like kings on the flight (really, we were).

Well, as Jimmy mentioned in his eulogy for John, John loved buffets.  He could easily feed an entire team, and everyone could find something he liked.  So, we did Thanksgiving dinner at Old Country Buffet.  Surprisingly, this OCB was busy as hell on Thanksgiving evening.  We eventually got our fill.  Since it worked out so well, we proceeded to eat breakfast there the next morning, and dinner again the following night.  How often we'd eat at OCB became a running joke...and then, he discovered Golden Corral!

[MiacMan]

So I'm thinking we're looking at a GAC-like contest.  Hanging for a while, looking ok, but getting beaten soundly.  The Johnnies and the Pirates play a similar game, the Jays just do it many, many times better.  Perhaps we're seeing the Johnnies  this year not because they've dominated the MIAC but because UST played poorly against them and never really hit their stride.

This is what Whitworth is probably saying. See how silly it sounds. Whitworth is probably pretty good. The Johnnies better show up to play. They'll win, but not anywhere near like their last 3-4 games.

It sounds silly because it's so outrageously wrong. 

Massey predicts 45-12, Johnnies.  Hansen says 42-19.  The Johnnies have beaten the Massey spread in the last five weeks by 30% over ML, 25% over TM, -10% against HAM, dead on against CON, and 19% over STO.  So say this is another 20% over perform then we're looking at something like 54-12.  I can live with that.

Now, there is a chance of overconfidence.  Certainly that lives here on the boards where it belongs.  But the Jays have been playing recently like they mean to scare everyone.  I think the sting of the NCC first round loss last year has stayed with the team.  I doubt there's much chance that the players are looking past this weekend.

(My most tragic looking past the competition game was the '93 semi-final against the upstarts from Mount Union where the point-a-minute Johnnie offense gave up seven turnovers and lost 8-56.  Heart breaking.

My second most tragic overlooking was the '09 lost against Coe at Clemens where, again, turnovers ruined us.

I don't think we're facing that situation again this year.)

Oz

I hope you're right. It would be hard to believe that the NWC has slipped that far that we feel their undefeated champion is comparable to our 4th place team. However, apparently the Iowa conference has slipped even further based on the Bethel beat down last weekend. Maybe the MIAC this year was by far the best conference and you'll be hosting the Royals in Collegeville for a National semi-final. I hope so because it's the only chance I have to get to a game there this year. I've been invited to tailgate with the Greenhecks three times now and haven't been able to make any of them. Go MIAC!

[DuffMan]

However, apparently the Iowa conference has slipped even further based on the Bethel beat down last weekend.

Exactly what I was going to say.  They have really had some ups and downs in recent years.

[GoldandBlueBU]

Game notes!

https://gojohnnies.com/news/2018/11/20/sju-footballs-ncaa-playoff-game-notes-vs-whitworth.aspx

Well, after studying the game notes over a lunchtime sandwich it appears that on offence the Pirates are the same as the Johnnies, just less so. The same balance between run and pass. The receivers have the same profile of yardage as the Johnnies but less of it.  They have a back that is far more dominant in terms of yards and carries than the Johnnies, who share the running duties to a far greater degree.  And a QB that throws the ball far many more times than Erdmann but does far less with it.  I think the Pirate QB's 50% higher attempts is due to him playing longer than the half.

Denfense looks similar statistically, a little different here or there but it's in scores against and takeaway differential where the Johnnies stand out.  The Johnnie D forces 50% more turnovers and allowed half the scores of the whitworth D.

So I'm thinking we're looking at a GAC-like contest.  Hanging for a while, looking ok, but getting beaten soundly.  The Johnnies and the Pirates play a similar game, the Jays just do it many, many times better.  Perhaps we're seeing the Pirates this year not because they've dominated the NWC but because Linfoeld started particularly slowly and never really hit a stride.

I also see that they play at the "Pine Bowl", while you guys play at the Natural Bowl, behind the pine curtain.  I suspect that you might develop feelings for eachother, but would worry about how Linfield would feel about it.  Maybe it's one of those relationships that would never work becuase you're too siimilar?

My guess is that they're going to offer more of a fight than GAC, but that it'll still end up being a comfortable margin for SJU.

[DuffMan]

Maybe it's one of those relationships that would never work because you're too similar?

Heck no!  They're Presbies!

[GoldandBlueBU]

Maybe it's one of those relationships that would never work because you're too similar?

Heck no!  They're Presbies!

Ah, star-crossed lovers?

[sjujohnnie]

I'm really excited about the direction Gary & the coaching staff have the St John's program heading! With what they've done & are doing, is it realistic to believe that deep playoff runs (& potentially challenging for national titles) will be regularities? Any insight? Does anyone know how much the Gagliardi Fund that was announced around the time of the Johnnie/Tommie game is expected to generate & what impact it will have on the program? I assume the funds generated will go to compensation/retention, equipment, scoreboard? Any other items/aspects to help the program?

[DuffMan]

Does anyone know how much the Gagliardi Fund that was announced around the time of the Johnnie/Tommie game is expected to generate & what impact it will have on the program? I assume the funds generated will go to compensation/retention, equipment, scoreboard? Any other items/aspects to help the program?

The below is quoted from an article about John's J-Club Hall of Honor induction.

It also was a fitting occasion for the debut of the John Gagliardi Football Legacy Fund, which hopes to raise $3 million during its first 18 months for football program enhancements – stadium, coaching staff, equipment, recruitment.