FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[kubiack78]

This is completely off the playoff subject, but what ever happened to Touchdown Tommy  aka Bus Driver

I guess I'm not up to date with things.  I'm lost on what the picture signifies. 

[USTBench]

Different UMHB team than what UST faced last year I realize, but what UST struggled with was the Cru's athleticism on defense. Parks had some trouble running the ball and the Cru had 6 sacks and 14 TFLs. SJU's saving grace might be that they have a smaller and more athletic offensive line, a better QB (than UST had last year) and better WRs (than UST had last year).

On the flipside, UST more than held their own on defense. The Cru offensive line were definitely not equipped to handle UST's playmakers on defense and UST was in their backfield all day. I don't think UMHB did anything fancy on offense that I recall. A lot of read/option and getting the ball out as quickly as possible on passing plays. But UST finished with 7 sacks and 15 TFLs, so many of UMHB's plays didn't have much of a chance to develop. I did not walk away with a good impression of the Cru's offensive line.

I think SJU has a much better chance than most people think of pulling off the upset. UST is similarly athletic on defense to UMHB and SJU torched them. However, if SJU is going have a snowball's chance in hell, they need to maintain gap discipline on defense and get the Cru going east/west because I don't know if they have they guys on defense to run with UMHB. 

I hate to say it, but:

SJU 24
UMHB 21

Nice summary.  UST's defense last year was crazy good too, so I wonder how SJU's will compare.

Would love to see SJU get the W.  Not as much as I'd like to see BU's run continue, but still.  BU at SJU on the 8th would be incredible.

I'll check back for your post about Bethel knocking off UWW.

Bethel 4
UWW 2

And everyone dies at the end except Kilgore, who'll storm around UWW's campus looking for blood like Immortan Joe from Mad Max.

[RoyalsFan]

While I'm hesitant to participate in re-legislating something from 14 months ago, St. Thomas did a crapton of the organizing on that.

No doubt they did, but from the standpoint of the definition of a neutral site, I don't think you can argue it wasn't a neutral site. It doesn't say the third party has to do all the organization.

Organised by a third party does not mean concessions, parking and ticket sales.  It means sanctioned and organised, like the Stagg.  Just because U$T chose to play this game at a venue that let them bleed the Johnnie Nation for cash does not make it a neutral venue game.

The Pack, until the mid 90's, played home games in both Green Bay and Milwaukee.  That did not make Milwaukee a neutral venue.  Likewise a game in London.  If an NFL team sells a pre-season home game for a few extra bucks so it can be played in London, that's still a home game.  Not a neutral venue match.  Even if it's played in a non-traditional, one-off venue.

Similarly, if the Dolphins or Saints happen to get into a Super Bowl played in their home stadium, it's still a neutral venue match.

Sorry Oz, but our definition of a neutral site is not the same. There is a difference between a home game and a neutral site. You can be a home team and still play it on a neutral site. The games in London are neutral sites, but one team is always a home team. And if the Saints played a Superbowl in their home stadium, it would not be a neutral site. Neutral means the field is not the regular home field for either team, and Target Field was not the normal home field for either team, hence it was a neutral site.

[Ralph Turner]

For some perusing...

UHMB stats: http://stats.ncaa.org/teams/450417

SJU stats: http://stats.ncaa.org/teams/450344


UHMB dominate the national stats to a scary degree.  The question is: have they padded them in a conference of cream puffs by building a huge program in a minnow pond or are they insanely dominant? We'll find out soon enough.

I will be glad to see how UMHB measures up.  There just aren't any teams around the ASC against which to play non-conference games. The ASC teams have one non-conference game.

Trinity (SAA) beat Berry on the last weekend and would have been tri-champs except for an ugly loss to Millsaps. Trinity beat McMurry then lost to HSU in the Cowboys opener.
Austin College (SAA) doesn't like to play ASC teams.
Belhaven plays crosstown Millsaps.

TLU hosted and beat Hendrix from Conway AR, 600 miles away.
Howard Payne flew to George Fox and got beat
Southwestern beat Denison.
ETBU led UW-Platteville 37-17 only give up 35 points in the 3Q.
Louisiana College played a Money game against FCS Alcorn State

[OzJohnnie]

Ah, bench, you remind me.  Themes.  We had a great theme for BU v UST.  So what for this weekend?

In Texas there can be only one: The Shootout at the Belton Coral.



As for the clash of heavyweights we're about to enjoy at UWW: The Rumble at Whitewater.

[jamtod]

I'm in the mood for mindless boosterism.  This time of year does not always require rational posts.

Are you implying rationality to your posts at other times of year?

[retagent]

This is completely off the playoff subject, but what ever happened to Touchdown Tommy  aka Bus Driver

I guess I'm not up to date with things.  I'm lost on what the picture signifies. 

"Eight year olds, Dude."

[sju56321]

Tdt- his tommies are not in the playoffs, so no reason to post.

[OzJohnnie]

I'm in the mood for mindless boosterism.  This time of year does not always require rational posts.

Are you implying rationality to your posts at other times of year?

That time of year also has no rationality requirement.

[RoyalsFan]

The Target Field experiment was enough. No more!
I certainly hope that SJU administration realize how they greased tThe palms of UST. UST had to be smiling all the way to the bank. Not having to staff the event & cashing the check from the Twins was pretty clever for UST. I can't see SJU doing that again.

But aren't they doing it again, this time at Alliance Stadium next year? Didn't think SJU had a say in where UST plays their home games.

[faunch]

The way I understand NCAA policies it was not a neutral site game: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/ForSIDs/Policies.pdf

I think you are reading it wrong. It specifically states it is a neutral site as follows:

Team A is playing Team B. For results and RPIs, the contest is considered a neutral-site contest for both teams if the site:

Is a venue other than Team A's and Team B's home venue and is hosted and organized by a third party.

Target Field was not the home venue of either team, and it was hosted and organized by the Twins, so yes, it is considered a neutral site.

Read the home game criteria again...the Target Field was counted as a home game for U$T thus by definition cannot be considered a neutral site despite there being 3:1 SJU fans.

[jamtod]

Y'all are using 2 different definitions of neutral site.

I do appreciate the Johnnies relitigating this to remind me of my passionate hatred for them and their squad. I was getting this close to cheering for SJU in the playoffs.

[OzJohnnie]

Y'all are using 2 different definitions of neutral site.

I do appreciate the Johnnies relitigating this to remind me of my passionate hatred for them and their squad. I was getting this close to cheering for SJU in the playoffs.

Your gracious attitude was making me feel dirty as well.  I'm feeling more balanced now.

[jamtod]

Y'all are using 2 different definitions of neutral site.

I do appreciate the Johnnies relitigating this to remind me of my passionate hatred for them and their squad. I was getting this close to cheering for SJU in the playoffs.

Your gracious attitude was making me feel dirty as well.  I'm feeling more balanced now.

Glad we are on the same page here.
Also glad we were able to bilk all those unsuspecting Johnnies out of their hard earned money against their will. Also glad to hear that they had a terrible time at Target Field. Maybe they will stay away from UST home games in the future.

[hazzben]

Would love to see SJU get the W.  Not as much as I'd like to see BU's run continue, but still.  BU at SJU on the 8th would be incredible.

I'll check back for your post about Bethel knocking off UWW.

A week and two big road wins away from this being reality, but man ...

I'd assume it could rival the atmosphere in 2003 when Gags got the record and Kirchoff got the ambulance. That day was small college football Valhalla

Was that the same game we intercepted a pass in front of the SJU bench and they gave Elliot simultaneous possession just because he reached around from behind the defender and had one hand on the ball? I remember it was late in the game and would have sealed the win for Bethel.

Yes. Jeremy Sather got the pick. Elliot jumped on top of him. Official panicked, deer in the headlights and called joint possession. Also the game where we forced a fumble on a pass/tackle in the flat. But ref called it down by contact. I had a great view of both plays and disagreed with both calls. 

Also the game where Elliot went all demigod on us.