FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[TruCru]

I dont really post much on our home board, much less other conferences boards. But from what ive read, there has been speculation about the UMHB offense hitting a wall in the playoffs, which has not gone un-noticed by the cru fans. The reason for it however is not because we are playing "the big boys" as someone put it, but because Fred likes to get a two or three score lead in the game, then get conservative with offense and rely on our defense to win the day.

[Toby Taff]

I dont really post much on our home board, much less other conferences boards. But from what ive read, there has been speculation about the UMHB offense hitting a wall in the playoffs, which has not gone un-noticed by the cru fans. The reason for it however is not because we are playing "the big boys" as someone put it, but because Fred likes to get a two or three score lead in the game, then get conservative with offense and rely on our defense to win the day.

A fact that does in fact drive some of  the UMHB faithful crazy

[jamtod]

I dont really post much on our home board, much less other conferences boards. But from what ive read, there has been speculation about the UMHB offense hitting a wall in the playoffs, which has not gone un-noticed by the cru fans. The reason for it however is not because we are playing "the big boys" as someone put it, but because Fred likes to get a two or three score lead in the game, then get conservative with offense and rely on our defense to win the day.

A fact that does in fact drive some of  the UMHB faithful crazy

It's likely a bit of both, right?
UMHB didn't just get a lead and sit on it against UST. Yes, they were conservative but that was the nature of the offense last year. And they were playing a tough defense.

[wally_wabash]

HSU did beat UMHB three years ago.  Then turned right around and lost to them in the tournament.  Before that?  2004 was the last time HSU beat UMHB.  So we shouldn't paint this series as a back and forth rivalry because it isn't.  I'd like to see Hardin-Simmons do something other than not get completely wiped out by UMHB to validate their ranking.  Especially if we're going to use Hardin-Simmons to validate UMHB's quality of schedule.  That line of dialogue is getting a bit too circular for my liking.

He didn't say it was. He was just responding to your "last handful of years" comment. Way to stir the pot.

I think you took that the wrong way.  My point there is only to say that beating UMHB one time in 13 years isn't enough to draw equivalency. 

You don't like the circle but you keep it going. I am happy to admit that they have squandered their chances to prove their overall standing in D3 but you don't seem willing to admit that they may be better but don't get the chance to prove that in that playoffs against anyone other than Linfield and UMHB. The same geographic challenges you site to give the NCAA clearance for having them play UMHB in the playoffs are the same reason they don't go out and schedule big time opponents in the regular season.

And also to HSUAlum255...I'm also not trying to say that HSU isn't good.  I do think at some point there needs to be something in the HSU portfolio other than only giving up 26 to UMHB.  I feel like a lot of our friends from The Republic assume that HSU would romp their way through any other region of this tournament, and I'm only questioning whether or not that's actually the case.  Or that we should just take that as fact.  Because there really isn't any evidence of HSU beating tournament-level teams that makes their hypothetical frolic through any other quadrant obvious.  I think it's fair to ask if HSU is really, really good or just pretty good. 

And I do recognize the challenge with HSU getting those data points.  There's definitely an absence of evidence situation going on here and it confounds the whole conversation. 

[DuffMan]

The reason for it however is not because we are playing "the big boys" as someone put it, but because Fred likes to get a two or three score lead in the game, then get conservative with offense and rely on our defense to win the day.

So, the only thing that can slow down the CRU offense is their coach!

[02 Warhawk]

HSU did beat UMHB three years ago.  Then turned right around and lost to them in the tournament.  Before that?  2004 was the last time HSU beat UMHB.  So we shouldn't paint this series as a back and forth rivalry because it isn't.  I'd like to see Hardin-Simmons do something other than not get completely wiped out by UMHB to validate their ranking.  Especially if we're going to use Hardin-Simmons to validate UMHB's quality of schedule.  That line of dialogue is getting a bit too circular for my liking.

He didn't say it was. He was just responding to your "last handful of years" comment. Way to stir the pot.

I think you took that the wrong way.  My point there is only to say that beating UMHB one time in 13 years isn't enough to draw equivalency. 

No, I completely understood it. I just didn't understand why you went out of your way to make that point. Considering nobody on here said such a thing. All crufootball said was HSU won once a few years ago. Everyone knows it's a one-sided rivalry over the past 13 years. No one here drew or painted such an "equivalency", so I'm not sure who exactly you're making a point to?

[57Johnnie]

fury, I agree with you, obviously.  It's beyond obvious that UHMB are favourites.  They are as tough as anything that the Jays have encountered in years.  Travelling to TX means that the Johnnies are one or two score underdogs.  At least on or two scores.  They will need to play out of their skin on both offense and defense, particularly defense, to have a chance of victory.


That being said, why is it so controversial to point out that UHMB have been raised on a diet of Texas creampuffs, candied almonds and maraschino cherries?

I think its more an issue of dismissing th conference overall. yes we have a few teams that are down, some of which have been in the playoffs in the last 5 years. The ASC has 1 non-conference game and the teams try to schedule good opponents. HSU played trinity, ETBU played Plattville, SU played Denison, UMHB traveled to NY to play Albright so they'd have a game (apparently, Albright backed out of the backend of the home and home because UMHB is looking for a week 1 game now). the top middle of the ASC put up numbers on everyone they play in or out of conference, except UMHB. The MIAC has 4 teams above .500, the ASC has 5. Each MIAC team gets 2 non-conference games and none of y'all were scheduling juggernauts, so your cries of cream puff and candied almonds come across as specious and selfserving. I'd be willing to bet that one of our top half teams would be willing to put y'all on the schedule so you could have a taste of texas cream puff, too.

The one thing that has been established beyond a reasonable doubt is that the Johnnie Faithful are the undisputed juggernaut of the d3boards. 

[warhawkguard]

Would it be a fair statement to think that had the NCAA committee seeded differently, a better, more realistic bracket would have seen the Johnnies get the #1 East Seed, and put in HSU as an at-large in the East as well. ? Travel is travel. Its the friggin playoffs man. That would have been a great way to see what HSU really is and would have given the proper respect to the Johnnies.

We really hope to welcome them to the Perk next weekend with the current pairings, so let it rip. I'd like to watch both games at the same time.

[sfury]

The reason for it however is not because we are playing "the big boys" as someone put it, but because Fred likes to get a two or three score lead in the game, then get conservative with offense and rely on our defense to win the day.

So, the only thing that can slow down the CRU offense is their coach!

Just like Dean Smith was only person who could hold Michael Jordan under 20 points.

[USTBench]

fury, I agree with you, obviously.  It's beyond obvious that UHMB are favourites.  They are as tough as anything that the Jays have encountered in years.  Travelling to TX means that the Johnnies are one or two score underdogs.  At least on or two scores.  They will need to play out of their skin on both offense and defense, particularly defense, to have a chance of victory.


That being said, why is it so controversial to point out that UHMB have been raised on a diet of Texas creampuffs, candied almonds and maraschino cherries?

I think its more an issue of dismissing th conference overall. yes we have a few teams that are down, some of which have been in the playoffs in the last 5 years. The ASC has 1 non-conference game and the teams try to schedule good opponents. HSU played trinity, ETBU played Plattville, SU played Denison, UMHB traveled to NY to play Albright so they'd have a game (apparently, Albright backed out of the backend of the home and home because UMHB is looking for a week 1 game now). the top middle of the ASC put up numbers on everyone they play in or out of conference, except UMHB. The MIAC has 4 teams above .500, the ASC has 5. Each MIAC team gets 2 non-conference games and none of y'all were scheduling juggernauts, so your cries of cream puff and candied almonds come across as specious and selfserving. I'd be willing to bet that one of our top half teams would be willing to put y'all on the schedule so you could have a taste of texas cream puff, too.

The one thing that has been established beyond a reasonable doubt is that the Johnnie Faithful are the undisputed juggernaut of the d3boards. 

Best at setting up an echo chamber for a smokefest where you guys can smell each other's farts and tell each other how awesome you are maybe.

I'm sorry, that was out of line. Just jealous I guess. The MUC QB got arrested at this point in the season last year so I was debating that with Cru fans instead of trash-talking.

[HSUCowboy2015]

HSU did beat UMHB three years ago.  Then turned right around and lost to them in the tournament.  Before that?  2004 was the last time HSU beat UMHB.  So we shouldn't paint this series as a back and forth rivalry because it isn't.  I'd like to see Hardin-Simmons do something other than not get completely wiped out by UMHB to validate their ranking.  Especially if we're going to use Hardin-Simmons to validate UMHB's quality of schedule.  That line of dialogue is getting a bit too circular for my liking.

He didn't say it was. He was just responding to your "last handful of years" comment. Way to stir the pot.

I think you took that the wrong way.  My point there is only to say that beating UMHB one time in 13 years isn't enough to draw equivalency. 

You don't like the circle but you keep it going. I am happy to admit that they have squandered their chances to prove their overall standing in D3 but you don't seem willing to admit that they may be better but don't get the chance to prove that in that playoffs against anyone other than Linfield and UMHB. The same geographic challenges you site to give the NCAA clearance for having them play UMHB in the playoffs are the same reason they don't go out and schedule big time opponents in the regular season.

And also to HSUAlum255...I'm also not trying to say that HSU isn't good.  I do think at some point there needs to be something in the HSU portfolio other than only giving up 26 to UMHB.  I feel like a lot of our friends from The Republic assume that HSU would romp their way through any other region of this tournament, and I'm only questioning whether or not that's actually the case.  Or that we should just take that as fact.  Because there really isn't any evidence of HSU beating tournament-level teams that makes their hypothetical frolic through any other quadrant obvious.  I think it's fair to ask if HSU is really, really good or just pretty good. 

And I do recognize the challenge with HSU getting those data points.  There's definitely an absence of evidence situation going on here and it confounds the whole conversation.

I don't think we would romp our way through another region, but I do feel as if we could make the quarters as in a way Mulenburg or RPI did this year. I've watched both play this year and I believe HSU is a better team than both. Especially the way we played finishing out the season. I would love to have the ability to do that, until then we will have to deal with the dominance of UMHB in our own region, if not playing another power in Linfield. It is a fair question, but I mean a lot of people were really high on Berry and you saw their result to UMHB compared to both of ours. St. John's is a good team, and I am anxious to see how they match up to UMHB.

[sjusection105]

Would it be a fair statement to think that had the NCAA committee seeded differently, a better, more realistic bracket would have seen the Johnnies get the #1 East Seed, and put in HSU as an at-large in the East as well. ? Travel is travel. Its the friggin playoffs man. That would have been a great way to see what HSU really is and would have given the proper respect to the Johnnies.

Yes. Proper seating would be a welcome change.Perhaps in the future this will occur,but I won't be holding my breath waiting on the NCAA 

[Toby Taff]

I dont really post much on our home board, much less other conferences boards. But from what ive read, there has been speculation about the UMHB offense hitting a wall in the playoffs, which has not gone un-noticed by the cru fans. The reason for it however is not because we are playing "the big boys" as someone put it, but because Fred likes to get a two or three score lead in the game, then get conservative with offense and rely on our defense to win the day.

A fact that does in fact drive some of  the UMHB faithful crazy

It's likely a bit of both, right?
UMHB didn't just get a lead and sit on it against UST. Yes, they were conservative but that was the nature of the offense last year. And they were playing a tough defense.

had to be. The oline couldnt protect well enough for the QB to get comfortable enough to pass consistently. If you watch those games from any part of the season last year you'll see the QB scrambling to make down field passes. UST's defense was good and put Robinson in the dirt a lot in the back field (-27yds), but historically, UMHB reverts back to a run first (and sometimes only)/Defense wins championships team in the playoffs. I can tell you without reservation, that because of the Line play and the uncertainty of the QB situation throughout the season, our hope was in the strength of the D last year, and it was pretty special. This year is different, the Oline, though younger, has been solid up front and gives Miller room to run and Hammack time to throw. The defense is younger, but still very good, maybe better than last year. Maybe. but our hope doesnt rest soley on them this year (even though our defense and special teams have outscored all the teams we've played combined).

[Toby Taff]

fury, I agree with you, obviously.  It's beyond obvious that UHMB are favourites.  They are as tough as anything that the Jays have encountered in years.  Travelling to TX means that the Johnnies are one or two score underdogs.  At least on or two scores.  They will need to play out of their skin on both offense and defense, particularly defense, to have a chance of victory.


That being said, why is it so controversial to point out that UHMB have been raised on a diet of Texas creampuffs, candied almonds and maraschino cherries?

I think its more an issue of dismissing th conference overall. yes we have a few teams that are down, some of which have been in the playoffs in the last 5 years. The ASC has 1 non-conference game and the teams try to schedule good opponents. HSU played trinity, ETBU played Plattville, SU played Denison, UMHB traveled to NY to play Albright so they'd have a game (apparently, Albright backed out of the backend of the home and home because UMHB is looking for a week 1 game now). the top middle of the ASC put up numbers on everyone they play in or out of conference, except UMHB. The MIAC has 4 teams above .500, the ASC has 5. Each MIAC team gets 2 non-conference games and none of y'all were scheduling juggernauts, so your cries of cream puff and candied almonds come across as specious and selfserving. I'd be willing to bet that one of our top half teams would be willing to put y'all on the schedule so you could have a taste of texas cream puff, too.

The one thing that has been established beyond a reasonable doubt is that the Johnnie Faithful are the undisputed juggernaut of the d3boards. 

not sure juggernaut is the right word. I like boisterous, blow hard, troll, cacophanous, self agrandizing... any of those seems good.

[George Thompson]

I don't think we would romp our way through another region, but I do feel as if we could make the quarters as in a way Mulenburg or RPI did this year. I've watched both play this year and I believe HSU is a better team than both. Especially the way we played finishing out the season. I would love to have the ability to do that, until then we will have to deal with the dominance of UMHB in our own region, if not playing another power in Linfield. It is a fair question, but I mean a lot of people were really high on Berry and you saw their result to UMHB compared to both of ours. St. John's is a good team, and I am anxious to see how they match up to UMHB.

I, being a Linfield fan, agree with you.    HSU is consistently a good football team.    I have expressed for years the HORRIBLE seeding of the teams.    HSU could advance to the 2nd round or 3rd round if they were scheduled to meet most of the teams in the East or South regions.     Or, if they met the champions from the weaker conferences in the West or North.

I continue to fail to understand NCAA seedings.     Bizarre and very unfair.

George