FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OldAuggie]

Old Auggie - To date UST has not moved forward with anything related to nursing, so not sure why that would be an issue. Especially to St Mary's that just started their online only program recently. If anything St Kate's would be upset with St Mary's.

I was unaware because a college had a program you weren't able to start one yourselves. Should UST be angry Augsburg started an MBA program? Did the market really need another one. Instead when the MBA market got competitive UST snagged a B1G business school Dean, became AACSB accredited (only other local one is Carlson), and established some deep rooted partnerships with fortune 500's to educate their workforce. I didn't realize that so many in the MIAC are so fragile. The lack of success becomes self explanatory.

Just regurgitating what Reusse said regarding St. Kate's and St. Mary's. Hopefully they don't vote UST out but he was pretty sure they would. Did you listen to the podcast? Maybe I misunderstood him.

To be perfectly clear I hope this all works out and nobody has to go. Hopefully everyone experiences some lift from this mess.

[jamtod]

Old Auggie - To date UST has not moved forward with anything related to nursing, so not sure why that would be an issue. Especially to St Mary's that just started their online only program recently. If anything St Kate's would be upset with St Mary's.

I was unaware because a college had a program you weren't able to start one yourselves. Should UST be angry Augsburg started an MBA program? Did the market really need another one. Instead when the MBA market got competitive UST snagged a B1G business school Dean, became AACSB accredited (only other local one is Carlson), and established some deep rooted partnerships with fortune 500's to educate their workforce. I didn't realize that so many in the MIAC are so fragile. The lack of success becomes self explanatory.

Just regurgitating what Reusse said regarding St. Kate's and St. Mary's. Hopefully they don't vote UST out but he was pretty sure they would. Did you listen to the podcast? Maybe I misunderstood him.

To be perfectly clear I hope this all works out and nobody has to go. Hopefully everyone experiences some lift from this mess.

Clearly, I don't have enough of a grasp of MIAC politics, but it would really surprise me to see St Kate's vote out of sync with UST or St Ben's vote out of line with SJU.

[wm4]

My only question at this point is will the nearly 2 feet of snow arriving this week be melted in time for the April 18th meeting?  Is UST's snow plow that much better than St Olaf's?  What the snow storm equivalent of a Monkey Stomp?

*waves to the North from Chicago 

[sjusection105]

I was unaware because a college had a program you weren't able to start one yourselves. Should UST be angry Augsburg started an MBA program? Did the market really need another one. Instead when the MBA market got competitive UST snagged a B1G business school Dean, became AACSB accredited (only other local one is Carlson), and established some deep rooted partnerships with fortune 500's to educate their workforce. I didn't realize that so many in the MIAC are so fragile. The lack of success becomes self explanatory.

I wonder if St. Cloud State Herberger School of Business knows this, because they claim the same thing since 1982.... Unless you mean local is Twin Cities area,but SCSU has a Plymouth location as well.
https://www.stcloudstate.edu/graduate/mba/default.aspx

[DuffMan]

Gosh, I have heard rumblings of this since last fall, and I all came to a head while I was on vacation.  I don't have the time to comb through all the backlash here, but it is quite the situation, that is for sure! 

[sjusection105]

UST could bring a counter point the unfair advantages St. Olaf has in  music programs.... that'll teach them! 

[Jonny Utah]

Late to this discussion here, and maybe it has been mentioned, but what is the actual beef from the schools upset with St. Thomas?  A quick glance at the NACDA athletic rankings (Old Sears Cup) shows that after St. Thomas, a bunch of small schools rank high in the rankings.  GA was 43 in the country, Carleton 68, Hamline 95, Augsburg 97, Bethel 115, St. Olaf 152. 

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

[jamtod]

Late to this discussion here, and maybe it has been mentioned, but what is the actual beef from the schools upset with St. Thomas?  A quick glance at the NACDA athletic rankings (Old Sears Cup) shows that after St. Thomas, a bunch of small schools rank high in the rankings.  GA was 43 in the country, Carleton 68, Hamline 95, Augsburg 97, Bethel 115, St. Olaf 152. 

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

Depending on the source, it's a combination of things:
* UST football and Coach Caruso is a big meany who does things like going for 2 and going for it on 4th down a heavy percentage of time because he fails to buy in to the local B1G philosophy that "Punting is Winning"
* UST dominates the conference in all sports because of resources, better recruiting, better facilities, or according to some, cheating by offering more scholarship money across the board (to athletes and non-athletes equally though, or else they'd be in trouble with the NCAA)
* The mission is no longer in line with the other locally focused liberal arts universities. I guess we have to ignore the national recruiting reach of Carleton, etc. St Thomas has expanded graduate programs and has long-term plans to continue to grow all this.
* Enrollment is too high, according to some, although undergrad enrollment hasn't changed significantly since I was a student in the mid-2000s. Not to mention that athletic recruits are not taken from the general student population.

[BDB]

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

There's a loaded question. Going to the B1G was horrible. 5 Division 1 hockey schools in the state plus UND and Madison nearby doesn't help, but it doesn't seem to have bothered UMD any. Go Bulldogs! Frozen Four on deck.

(And SCSU was #1 going into the NCAA tournament)

[OldAuggie]

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

There's a loaded question. Going to the B1G was horrible. 5 Division 1 hockey schools in the state plus UND and Madison nearby doesn't help, but it doesn't seem to have bothered UMD any. Go Bulldogs! Frozen Four on deck.

Yes sir! Go Bulldogs!

Gopher Hockey will be back, it will take a few years but Motzko will bring in his kind of players just like he did at St.Cloud.

[USTBench]

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

There's a loaded question. Going to the B1G was horrible. 5 Division 1 hockey schools in the state plus UND and Madison nearby doesn't help, but it doesn't seem to have bothered UMD any. Go Bulldogs! Frozen Four on deck.

Yes sir! Go Bulldogs!

Gopher Hockey will be back, it will take a few years but Motzko will bring in his kind of players just like he did at St.Cloud.

I think that might be a steeper challenge than people realize. Gopher hockey has become somewhat of an afterthought after they split to the B1G. The college hockey community could care less about traditional B1G rivalries, because it was such a niche sport that the in-state rivalries and playing North Dakota were far more compelling. I think kids realize if they go to SCSU or UMD they're the big man on campus, whereas if they go to the U, your resources and recognition come in a distant third behind football and men's basketball. i think what men's hockey at the U should do, is create a coalition of the other sports teams, and have football and men's basketball booted from campus.

[OldAuggie]

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

There's a loaded question. Going to the B1G was horrible. 5 Division 1 hockey schools in the state plus UND and Madison nearby doesn't help, but it doesn't seem to have bothered UMD any. Go Bulldogs! Frozen Four on deck.

Yes sir! Go Bulldogs!

Gopher Hockey will be back, it will take a few years but Motzko will bring in his kind of players just like he did at St.Cloud.

I think that might be a steeper challenge than people realize. Gopher hockey has become somewhat of an afterthought after they split to the B1G. The college hockey community could care less about traditional B1G rivalries, because it was such a niche sport that the in-state rivalries and playing North Dakota were far more compelling. I think kids realize if they go to SCSU or UMD they're the big man on campus, whereas if they go to the U, your resources and recognition come in a distant third behind football and men's basketball. i think what men's hockey at the U should do, is create a coalition of the other sports teams, and have football and men's basketball booted from campus.

Gopher hockey is not the same as it once was that is for sure. Too many one and done superstars coming through to allow the team concept. Yeah I don't care for the Big Ten hockey scene either, would rather have the WCHA as it was with all those great rivalries. The NCHC is the new WCHA at least I have convinced myself of that. The St Cloud/UMD game was great. Love the Big Ten overall but not for hockey so I am sure there are plenty who feel like we do.

You are jumping ahead 2 divisions by mentioning the MIAC situation in the same breath as The U. Trust me there are zero similarities between the MIAC and The U when it comes to athletics. I follow it closely and the Power 5 - D1 situation is another world financially with another freaky species of human on the field. You would be shocked if you saw them up close like I do. Go to an open football practice and take a look at the linemen. Huge. Even the small skill guys are huge. 

[USTBench]

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

There's a loaded question. Going to the B1G was horrible. 5 Division 1 hockey schools in the state plus UND and Madison nearby doesn't help, but it doesn't seem to have bothered UMD any. Go Bulldogs! Frozen Four on deck.

Yes sir! Go Bulldogs!

Gopher Hockey will be back, it will take a few years but Motzko will bring in his kind of players just like he did at St.Cloud.

I think that might be a steeper challenge than people realize. Gopher hockey has become somewhat of an afterthought after they split to the B1G. The college hockey community could care less about traditional B1G rivalries, because it was such a niche sport that the in-state rivalries and playing North Dakota were far more compelling. I think kids realize if they go to SCSU or UMD they're the big man on campus, whereas if they go to the U, your resources and recognition come in a distant third behind football and men's basketball. i think what men's hockey at the U should do, is create a coalition of the other sports teams, and have football and men's basketball booted from campus.

Gopher hockey is not the same as it once was that is for sure. Too many one and done superstars coming through to allow the team concept. Yeah I don't care for the Big Ten hockey scene either, would rather have the WCHA as it was with all those great rivalries. The NCHC is the new WCHA at least I have convinced myself of that. The St Cloud/UMD game was great. Love the Big Ten overall but not for hockey so I am sure there are plenty who feel like we do.

You are jumping ahead 2 divisions by mentioning the MIAC situation in the same breath as The U. Trust me there are zero similarities between the MIAC and The U when it comes to athletics. I follow it closely and the Power 5 - D1 situation is another world financially with another freaky species of human on the field. You would be shocked if you saw them up close like I do. Go to an open football practice and take a look at the linemen. Huge. Even the small skill guys are huge.

And if you look to the sky you'll see a not so subtle joke flying right above OldAuggie's head.

[OldAuggie]

And what the hell happened to Gopher hockey?

There's a loaded question. Going to the B1G was horrible. 5 Division 1 hockey schools in the state plus UND and Madison nearby doesn't help, but it doesn't seem to have bothered UMD any. Go Bulldogs! Frozen Four on deck.

Yes sir! Go Bulldogs!

Gopher Hockey will be back, it will take a few years but Motzko will bring in his kind of players just like he did at St.Cloud.

I think that might be a steeper challenge than people realize. Gopher hockey has become somewhat of an afterthought after they split to the B1G. The college hockey community could care less about traditional B1G rivalries, because it was such a niche sport that the in-state rivalries and playing North Dakota were far more compelling. I think kids realize if they go to SCSU or UMD they're the big man on campus, whereas if they go to the U, your resources and recognition come in a distant third behind football and men's basketball. i think what men's hockey at the U should do, is create a coalition of the other sports teams, and have football and men's basketball booted from campus.

Gopher hockey is not the same as it once was that is for sure. Too many one and done superstars coming through to allow the team concept. Yeah I don't care for the Big Ten hockey scene either, would rather have the WCHA as it was with all those great rivalries. The NCHC is the new WCHA at least I have convinced myself of that. The St Cloud/UMD game was great. Love the Big Ten overall but not for hockey so I am sure there are plenty who feel like we do.

You are jumping ahead 2 divisions by mentioning the MIAC situation in the same breath as The U. Trust me there are zero similarities between the MIAC and The U when it comes to athletics. I follow it closely and the Power 5 - D1 situation is another world financially with another freaky species of human on the field. You would be shocked if you saw them up close like I do. Go to an open football practice and take a look at the linemen. Huge. Even the small skill guys are huge.

And if you look to the sky you'll see a not so subtle joke flying right above OldAuggie's head.

I saw it but being a first born I am too dry, take stuff too seriously. Always have!

[miac952]

Blame Barry Alvarez for B1G hockey. He was the architect